Why did people puke over the arm rip scene in 127 Hours?

[The Ween]

I saw Saving Private Ryan at a theater that had a large group WWII veterans viewing the film. Many were crying and sobbing heavily during the film. It was very moving.

I saw that too. It was emotional enough, but to see grown men crying, I lost it. I went to the restroom and was really affected by it. I was sobbing my eyes out. It took me awhile to get over it. My mother wasn't sure what was wrong.

 

[The Ween]

Is this for ____ing real??????

I understand him perfectly. I don't know why some of you others don't.

 

[Asta]

I understand him perfectly. I don't know why some of you others don't.

Pretty sure CelticP was quoting a different post to the one you had in mind?

 

[Darth Cruel]

Because it reflects the actual real sacrifice that veterans made for you and your freedom and for each other. It should also encourage others to never make those same mistakes. Too many people don't know what death is, real gritty war death, its not clutch your chest and give a dramatic speech. Its real, good people, dying. Sacfricing themselves for humanity. If more people saw how horrible death and violence were, there maybe less of it. Most WW2 vets saw unspeakable things and they resolved to living the rest of their lives in peace.

Unlike say Rambo in your avatar who just blows and tears people up for entertainment.

LOL...Are you romanticizing gore in a movie?

actually that is me dressed as rambo in my avatar from 2 halloweens ago lol.

say what you will, rambo is also an american hero and icon and he does pretty much the same things any US soldier would do. also he fought in real wars as well unless you dont count vietnam, 80's afghanistan and burma as real wars. i understand he is fictional character but the ideas he fought for are real. SPR was to me just awful. sure its good to see that to understand the gravity of those guys situation, but to me its far too disturbing to watch. now if they somehow got vin diesel go around pullin a one man army routine like arnold or something that would have made the scene 10 times better. i still cant believe vin diesel was in that lol.

I understand him perfectly. I don't know why some of you others don't.

I completely agree with batfreak and ween. Even after 8 years in the Marines and as a Desert Storm vet who had the responsibility of driving one of the intelligence officers around so we could videotape war attrocities committed by the Iraqis, I do not find this kind of gore to be any kind of an appropriate honoring of vets. I will never understand the tolerance for this kind of cinema. The intent of this kind of cinema is nothing beyond filling the seats of theaters by feeding the hunger for depravity that exists inside everyone to one extent or another. And the producers love it when they can twist it to being some macabre homage to heroes and history. It legitimizes their greed. I like to give human beings more credit for intelligence than to say they need to see this garbage to teach them that death is bad. In fact, I can say that I hold human beings to a high enough standard that I fully EXPECT them to understand that death is bad without having rubbed in their faces with excessive gore in any movie.

Saving Private Ryan was no better than SAW I through...whatever the hell they are at now...in regard to the gore.

 

[The Ween]

Pretty sure CelticP was quoting a different post to the one you had in mind?

He was quoting Batfreak, who was disturbed by Saving Private Ryan, and such movies as Saw. I'm the same way.

It's not a slam to soldiers or anything, there's just a difference between that and as he said, action movie clips of killing, etc.

 

[Bannister]

I completely agree with batfreak and ween. Even after 8 years in the Marines and as a Desert Storm vet who had the responsibility of driving one of the intelligence officers around so we could videotape war attrocities committed by the Iraqis, I do not find this kind of gore to be any kind of an appropriate honoring of vets. I will never understand the tolerance for this kind of cinema. The intent of this kind of cinema is nothing beyond filling the seats of theaters by feeding the hunger for depravity that exists inside everyone to one extent or another. And the producers love it when they can twist it to being some macabre homage to heroes and history. It legitimizes their greed. I like to give human beings more credit for intelligence than to say they need to see this garbage to teach them that death is bad. In fact, I can say that I hold human beings to a high enough standard that I fully EXPECT them to understand that death is bad without having rubbed in their faces with excessive gore in any movie.

Saving Private Ryan was no better than SAW I through...whatever the hell they are at now...in regard to the gore.

How can you completely agree with Batfreak then? He said Private Ryan would have been better had it been a one man army shoot em up movie. The violence in Rambo and all those 80's type action movies is just as mindless as anything you see in the Saw films. I can understand being more disturbed by realistic violence than by over the top violence, but the intent of those films is the same as what you are saying Saving Private Ryan's intent is, which is to put ***** in seats and entertain people through violence.

 

[Darth Cruel]

How can you completely agree with Batfreak then? He said Private Ryan would have been better had it been a one man army shoot em up movie. The violence in Rambo and all those 80's type action movies is just as mindless as anything you see in the Saw films. I can understand being more disturbed by realistic violence than by over the top violence, but the intent of those films is the same as what you are saying Saving Private Ryan's intent is, which is to put ***** in seats and entertain people through violence.

I am working under the assumption that the smiley face indicates that he was joking about that.

 

[Asta]

He was quoting Batfreak, who was disturbed by Saving Private Ryan, and such movies as Saw. I'm the same way.

It's not a slam to soldiers or anything, there's just a difference between that and as he said, action movie clips of killing, etc.

I thought he said of SPR, "i dont understand how people can watch that crap".

Yet it was SPR that brought the emotional memories back to the vets who watched it: therefore SPR wasn't sanitizing or glorifying war as most action movies do, but depicting the true horrors and the sacrifice made.

It wasn't gung-ho like Rambo, but a much truer depiction.

 

[Darth Cruel]

I thought he said of SPR, "i dont understand how people can watch that crap".

Yet it was SPR that brought the emotional memories back to the vets who watched it: therefore SPR wasn't sanitizing or glorifying war as most action movies do, but depicting the true horrors and the sacrifice made.

It wasn't gung-ho like Rambo, but a much truer depiction.

As I mentioned a few posts ago...no it wasn't. It was a gorefest intended to plant ***** in theater seats and got painted over as a tribute to vets.

 

[Bannister]

actually that is me dressed as rambo in my avatar from 2 halloweens ago lol.

say what you will, rambo is also an american hero and icon and he does pretty much the same things any US soldier would do. also he fought in real wars as well unless you dont count vietnam, 80's afghanistan and burma as real wars. i understand he is fictional character but the ideas he fought for are real. SPR was to me just awful. sure its good to see that to understand the gravity of those guys situation, but to me its far too disturbing to watch. now if they somehow got vin diesel go around pullin a one man army routine like arnold or something that would have made the scene 10 times better. i still cant believe vin diesel was in that lol.

I am working under the assumption that the smiley face indicates that he was joking about that.

Judging from his comments about Rambo, I was assuming just the opposite.

 

[The Ween]

I thought he said of SPR, "i dont understand how people can watch that crap".

Yet it was SPR that brought the emotional memories back to the vets who watched it: therefore SPR wasn't sanitizing or glorifying war as most action movies do, but depicting the true horrors and the sacrifice made.

It wasn't gung-ho like Rambo, but a much truer depiction.

He wasn't saying SPR was crap, he was saying the real depiction of violence was, such as in SAW.

I took SPR quite seriously, whereas, Rambo, I wouldn't. And in doing that, it disturbed me more. Not as much as seeing grown men cry though. That always gets to me.

SPR is a great film, no doubt about it, but I can understand where it would bother some.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Judging from his comments about Rambo, I was assuming just the opposite.

Suffice it to say that if he was serious about that particular aspect...I do not agree with that.

Edit - But to me, the idea of a Rambo-esque character running through scenes of a serious movie like that is so ludicrous that I believe he had to be joking.

 

[Asta]

As I mentioned a few posts ago...no it wasn't. It was a gorefest intended to plant ***** in theater seats and got painted over as a tribute to vets.

Why should a film turn its back on real horror? Have you never seen the original footage of the beaches with the soldiers floating in the water and soldiers with limbs blown off. Why should an audience be shielded from that? The point was to show suffering, not some pumped up hero mowing down hundreds of the enemy single handed.

One seeks to educate through horror, the other to glamourize violence.

Each has their place, but each has their own intention. How an audience responds is beyond the control of the film-makers. They present their case, but it is up to the media and the audience how it will be received.

 

[Devil_666]

The point was to show suffering, not some pumped up hero mowing down hundreds of the enemy single handed.

Agreed. I would say Tom Hanks in that opening scene is anything but a typical action hero. He actually goes into shock and looks completely frightened and lost at one point. Never seen Sly or Arnold look so vulnerable in one of their shoot-em-up flicks.

 

[Asta]

He wasn't saying SPR was crap, he was saying the real depiction of violence was, such as in SAW.

I took SPR quite seriously, whereas, Rambo, I wouldn't. And in doing that, it disturbed me more. Not as much as seeing grown men cry though. That always gets to me.

SPR is a great film, no doubt about it, but I can understand where it would bother some.

I see where you're coming from now, but I personally feel that violence is justified where the intention is to shock people into a real awareness of situations.

Some horror movies are so bloody and gory that they become send-ups of themselves. That is, they can have a desensitizing effect, where the violence is no longer real. SPR was brutal in it's portrayal for good reasons.

 

[The Ween]

I see where you're coming from now, but I personally feel that violence is justified where the intention is to shock people into a real awareness of situations.

Some horror movies are so bloody and gory that they become send-ups of themselves. That is, they can have a desensitizing effect, where the violence is no longer real. SPR was brutal in it's portrayal for good reasons.

I totally agree with you, but you have to understand why some people wouldn't like it. I don't like horror movies for that reason.

Celtic lives for that stuff, whereas, I don't. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Asta]

Agreed. I would say Tom Hanks in that opening scene is anything but a typical action hero. He actually goes into shock and looks completely frightened and lost at one point. Never seen Sly or Arnold look so vulnerable in one of their shoot-em-up flicks.

Yes, the power of some movies is in their pathos, the portrayal of real human emotion: where life and the loss of life amounts to something more than a bodycount.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Why should a film turn its back on real horror? Have you never seen the original footage of the beaches with the soldiers floating in the water and soldier with limbs blown off. Why should an audience be shielded from that? The point was to show suffering, not some pumped up hero mowing down hundreds of the enemy single handed.

One seeks to educate through horror, the other to glamourize violence.

Each has their place, but each has their own intention. How an audience responds is beyond the control of the film-makers. They present their case, but it is up to the media and the audience how it will be received.

I am not saying it should. I am just saying let's be honest about what it is. The gore is no more necessary to the story in Saving Private Ryan than 99% of the ***** shots you see in any movie made other than porn flicks. This is not a documentary aimed at educating the masses. It is an action flick intended to make money for Hollywood.

 

[Asta]

I totally agree with you, but you have to understand why some people wouldn't like it. I don't like horror movies for that reason.

Celtic lives for that stuff, whereas, I don't. Nothing wrong with that.

I understand why some people wouldn't like it. I think we're saying the same thing, but from a slightly different angle. It's the fact that we're not supposed to like it, but we're forced to endure it, rather than have it censored for us, like westerns in the '50s where a bullet magically kills a gunfighter without even making a hole in his shirt.

I am not saying it should. I am just saying let's be honest about what it is. The gore is no more necessary to the story in Saving Private Ryan than 99% of the ***** shots you see in any movie made other than porn flicks. This is not a documentary aimed at educating the masses. It is an action flick intended to make money for Hollywood.

I would argue that SPR's intentions were set higher than the average action-war flick.

The Chinese take on SPR (Assembly, set during the Civil War between Nationalists and Communists) was probably even more graphic and horrific, yet it was a moving film, focusing on human emotions and suffering. The graphic nature of the violence becomes part of the story-telling, and off-sets any feelings of jingoism in killing, that you might gain from a Rambo movie.

 

[CelticPredator]

I totally agree with you, but you have to understand why some people wouldn't like it. I don't like horror movies for that reason.

Celtic lives for that stuff, whereas, I don't. Nothing wrong with that.

You have it wrong Ms. Ween.

That movie has such an intense opening. I dont watch it and go "LOLOZZZ OMG HIZ ARM IZ GONE!"

No, it's to show just how god awful war is. To show what these men went through on that day, how incredibly intense, violent, and horrible that day was to many. That was the point of the scene. That's why it's amazing. It's far....FAR from crap.