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I loved JLaw Mystique in XFC. I liked the take on her character as a young girl and thought her arc was believable, and I liked the dynamic with Hoult's Beast (who I do think was more likable in DOFP). Hank vs. Raven and their mutations in XFC ties into Xavier and what Magneto calls him (and Hank) out on in DOFP, and I thought that worked and made the scene more powerful.

I like Marsden, but I'm not sure I would've cast him as Cyclops. I never really bought him being able to stand against Jackman's Wolverine, and I think even with stronger writing I would've felt that way. They needed that for Cyclops, not only because of the Jean triangle, but also (and most importantly) as the leader of the X-Men.

That said, I kinda think Marsden would've made a good Iceman if they hadn't written the character quite so young.

Famke and Halle were problems with Storm and Jean to me, too. Never cared for either one, while I did like Marsden (who I think would've at least done better if the writing were stronger for him).
 
JLaw was fantastic I thought. The kid that plays Hank is pretty decent but the rest of them sucked. I actually was glad they were dead in those photos in this movie. ****** I know but they gave me nothing to really give a damn about.
 
I thought Azazel was a cool character and would've been fun to see again... but I don't really care about this character. Hopefully they will bring in Nightcrawler or something in the sequel.

I do think they should've kept Emma Frost though. I liked that the bad guys had a telepath too. Plus, I do like the character and the actress.
 
I thought Lawrence was absolutely horrible as Raven in FC

I thought Mcavoy was the standout in DOFP, to me, he was what Fassbender was to FC. He might not of had the most action scenes, but as far as acting performances go, I thought he stole the show.

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:exactly: I don't recall JL performance in FC but I thought her performance in DoFP was phoned in.....action sequence were fine everything else (special hotel scene with Vietnamese soldier) bland.

I absolutely agree about Mcavoy....I thought he had a strong performance Fass and Hugh really solid as well.
 
The whole film was about stopping Mystique from becoming a killer. Had she killed Magneto, she would have gone down an even darker path than she did in the original timeline. She's not that Mystique anymore. She's not Charles' or Eric's Raven either. She's her own person at this point. She could go in either direction - good or bad.

I don't believe that the whole film was about

stopping Mystique from "becoming a killer." That was just Charles' deal. He didn't want her to go down that road because he cared about her. The movie was about preventing the Sentinel apocalypse by keeping Mystique's DNA out of Trask's hands. Whether she died or became a killer was irrelevant as long as the greater goal was achieved. Charles and Magneto were just coming at the task at hand from opposite sides.

The fate of all life on the planet does not hang on whether or not some blue chick is a cold-blooded killer or not, it hangs on whether or not she kills the right person at exactly the right time.

The morality of taking lives in the Marvel universe (MCU or not) does seem to follow Steve Rogers for the most part. "Only punish after the crime, not before." Mystique was going to kill Trask in response to him causing deaths of some of her fellow mutants but the world would have perceived her act as unprovoked and would have responded against all mutant-kind accordingly. If she had killed Magneto the world would have still witnessed a mutant doing whatever it took to save the President. Not the same thing at all and mutants could still be addressed on a case by case basis rather than the world thinking they all needed to be slaughtered.

With all that being said I still thoroughly enjoyed the movie even if it didn't satisfy on the most epic of levels. A day one blu-ray purchase for sure.
 
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Published May 26, 2014 by Devin Faraci

Why There Are No Continuity Problems In The X-MEN Films


How DAYS OF FUTURE PAST removes all continuity issues completely.



Spoilers for X-Men: Days of Future Past follow.


At the end of X-Men: Days of Future Past Wolverine wakes up in the year 2023 to find that the war with the Sentinels never happened, the dark future we see at the beginning of the film has been erased and - what's more - the events of at least X-Men: The Last Stand never occured, as Jean Grey and Scott Summers are alive, well and teaching at Xavier's School for Gifted Youth. Also alive and present: Rogue, Iceman, Storm and Beast, in his blue, furry form. Kitty Pryde and Colussus are there, and they might even be a couple. That's about all we know - we don't even see Wolverine pop his claws, so it's unclear whether he has his adamantium.


There have been a couple of articles that have attempted to find continuity holes in the new film - like this one from Slashfilm, which doesn't quite grasp the difference between a continuity error and a skipped beat (ie, Professor X being back in his body isn't a continuity error, it's just unexplained) and this one from io9, which seems to misunderstand basic character stuff (like Magneto, full stop). The problem that neither article takes into account is that there are no longer continuity issues in the X-Men films because the previous X-Men films (except First Class) never happened.


Yes, not one of the previous X movies - not X-Men, not X2, not The Last Stand and not The Wolverine or X-Men Origins: Wolverine - happened anymore. You can throw those movies away. This is very familiar stuff to comic book readers - we've been experiencing these sorts of reboots since Crisis on Inifite Earths in 1985 - and fans of Star Trek, who saw a similar time travel gag wipe away the entire continuity built up over 50 years. The argument for Trek can be applied to X-Men - because one time traveler remembers the old continuity it technically happened - but they've been using that out for a long time in comics too. The Psycho Pirate remembers the pre-Crisis continuity (or maybe he doesn't since DC recently undid all of that continuity in the New 52). The effect is still the same - those stories never happened.


Both of the linked articles make two profound mistakes: one, they don't understand that at the end of Days of Future Past everything we don't see in the school is gone, and two they don't understand the idea of a retcon.


Retcons and reboots are prevalent in comics but they're different. A reboot is what we saw in this movie, a do-over, a wiping of the board. A retcon is a stranger animal, and it's when a writer attempts to either fix a continuity error or unwrite a disliked story element by revealing missing history. One of the things complained about in the io9 article is that Mystique and Professor X should have a different relationship in the original X films because of their tight personal history, as revealed in First Class. And the article is right - the way Professor X and Mystique interact makes no sense. But that doesn't make it a continuity error yet - a writer could have inserted a plotline where one or both of their memories are wiped. The timeline between First Class and X-Men is long enough that any number of stories could happen which might explain away this seeming inconsistency. If there had been no reboot and the movies had continued moving forward to finally meet up with X-Men chronologically and that relationship hadn't been fixed then, yes, that would have been a continuity error.


That gets tougher when you have issues like Bolivar Trask being both Peter Dinklage and Bill Duke, actors who are very, very different physically. But the reboot that happens halfway through Days of Future Past - when they stop Mystique from killing Trask and reveal mutants to the public decades early - takes that issue off the table. And by the way, there's no reason why it couldn't be revealed that Duke's Trask was just the son of Dinklage's, just as the two seemingly incompatible Moira MacTaggarts could have just been relatives (or bizarrely similarly named unrelated people). But it doesn't matter anymore, because only one Moira currently exists in continuity, and that's the one from First Class.


At this point the only continuity issues that can exist will be those between First Class and Days of Future Past. There's a shot of a kid who could be Cyclops in Cerebro in FIrst Class, which would make end-of-the-movie Days of Future Past Cyclops about sixty years old, but that's so easy to hand-wave away it isn't even worth addressing. That stuff is more problematic if X-Men Origins: Wolverine is still in play, but it isn't, so who cares. (There's one other thing to take into account: X-Men takes place 'in the near future,' so timing a lot of stuff to 2000 doesn't work. The 2023 continuity - and this is canon, as the movie establishes the future is 50 years after 1973 - could be taking place just a handful of years after The Last Stand, as opposed to the sixteen or so years in reality. Yeah, it's a little confusing)


In a lot of ways all of this makes the X-Men films the single most comic book-y comic book movie series; continuity in a shared universe has always been a pain in the ass because writers want to tell the stories they want to tell while fans want the stories to connect into a cohesive whole. DC was particularly susceptible to this because it had so many decades of stories and characters who were being contradicted left and right by writers who thought they were just writing entertainment for kids, not semi-religious tracts.
 
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Hmmmmmm......Logan & Victor in Vietnam......Stryker pays them a visit in their cell, he is older. DoFP takes place after Vietnam and Stryker is much younger?
 
Wi am still not certain how it wiped out everything origins as certain events happened before Logan came back in the 70's.....I guess it is easy to just say all is scraped....
 
A reboot would have solved this problem also .I’m excited for the next film i wanna see Mr. Sinister
 
Published May 26, 2014 by Devin Faraci

Why There Are No Continuity Problems In The X-MEN Films


How DAYS OF FUTURE PAST removes all continuity issues completely.



Spoilers for X-Men: Days of Future Past follow.


At the end of X-Men: Days of Future Past Wolverine wakes up in the year 2023 to find that the war with the Sentinels never happened, the dark future we see at the beginning of the film has been erased and - what's more - the events of at least X-Men: The Last Stand never occured, as Jean Grey and Scott Summers are alive, well and teaching at Xavier's School for Gifted Youth. Also alive and present: Rogue, Iceman, Storm and Beast, in his blue, furry form. Kitty Pryde and Colussus are there, and they might even be a couple. That's about all we know - we don't even see Wolverine pop his claws, so it's unclear whether he has his adamantium.


There have been a couple of articles that have attempted to find continuity holes in the new film - like this one from Slashfilm, which doesn't quite grasp the difference between a continuity error and a skipped beat (ie, Professor X being back in his body isn't a continuity error, it's just unexplained) and this one from io9, which seems to misunderstand basic character stuff (like Magneto, full stop). The problem that neither article takes into account is that there are no longer continuity issues in the X-Men films because the previous X-Men films (except First Class) never happened.


Yes, not one of the previous X movies - not X-Men, not X2, not The Last Stand and not The Wolverine or X-Men Origins: Wolverine - happened anymore. You can throw those movies away. This is very familiar stuff to comic book readers - we've been experiencing these sorts of reboots since Crisis on Inifite Earths in 1985 - and fans of Star Trek, who saw a similar time travel gag wipe away the entire continuity built up over 50 years. The argument for Trek can be applied to X-Men - because one time traveler remembers the old continuity it technically happened - but they've been using that out for a long time in comics too. The Psycho Pirate remembers the pre-Crisis continuity (or maybe he doesn't since DC recently undid all of that continuity in the New 52). The effect is still the same - those stories never happened.


Both of the linked articles make two profound mistakes: one, they don't understand that at the end of Days of Future Past everything we don't see in the school is gone, and two they don't understand the idea of a retcon.


Retcons and reboots are prevalent in comics but they're different. A reboot is what we saw in this movie, a do-over, a wiping of the board. A retcon is a stranger animal, and it's when a writer attempts to either fix a continuity error or unwrite a disliked story element by revealing missing history. One of the things complained about in the io9 article is that Mystique and Professor X should have a different relationship in the original X films because of their tight personal history, as revealed in First Class. And the article is right - the way Professor X and Mystique interact makes no sense. But that doesn't make it a continuity error yet - a writer could have inserted a plotline where one or both of their memories are wiped. The timeline between First Class and X-Men is long enough that any number of stories could happen which might explain away this seeming inconsistency. If there had been no reboot and the movies had continued moving forward to finally meet up with X-Men chronologically and that relationship hadn't been fixed then, yes, that would have been a continuity error.


That gets tougher when you have issues like Bolivar Trask being both Peter Dinklage and Bill Duke, actors who are very, very different physically. But the reboot that happens halfway through Days of Future Past - when they stop Mystique from killing Trask and reveal mutants to the public decades early - takes that issue off the table. And by the way, there's no reason why it couldn't be revealed that Duke's Trask was just the son of Dinklage's, just as the two seemingly incompatible Moira MacTaggarts could have just been relatives (or bizarrely similarly named unrelated people). But it doesn't matter anymore, because only one Moira currently exists in continuity, and that's the one from First Class.


At this point the only continuity issues that can exist will be those between First Class and Days of Future Past. There's a shot of a kid who could be Cyclops in Cerebro in FIrst Class, which would make end-of-the-movie Days of Future Past Cyclops about sixty years old, but that's so easy to hand-wave away it isn't even worth addressing. That stuff is more problematic if X-Men Origins: Wolverine is still in play, but it isn't, so who cares. (There's one other thing to take into account: X-Men takes place 'in the near future,' so timing a lot of stuff to 2000 doesn't work. The 2023 continuity - and this is canon, as the movie establishes the future is 50 years after 1973 - could be taking place just a handful of years after The Last Stand, as opposed to the sixteen or so years in reality. Yeah, it's a little confusing)


In a lot of ways all of this makes the X-Men films the single most comic book-y comic book movie series; continuity in a shared universe has always been a pain in the ass because writers want to tell the stories they want to tell while fans want the stories to connect into a cohesive whole. DC was particularly susceptible to this because it had so many decades of stories and characters who were being contradicted left and right by writers who thought they were just writing entertainment for kids, not semi-religious tracts.

Errrr....much as I'd like it to be the case that all the continuity errors were wiped out. They weren't. This guy is completely wrong and I don't know how he can believe what he's saying if he's putting any thought into it whatsoever. The continuity errors remain. First Class and DOFP were not full reboots. Keeping any members of the previous cast playing the same characters = same universe. Showing actual clips from X1-X3 in the new film = acknowledging those films as canon. They happened. What happened in them happened. Wolverine remembers them happening even at the very end of this film when a new timeline has been created.

Certain things would not get changed by timeline alterations, certainly not something like the race (and size) of Trask. I really struggle to understand how this isn't clear to some people :dunno (not you Jye, I know you're just quoting an article)

For what this guy is saying to be true it would need to be the case that First Class and DOFP completely disregarded the original trilogy from the very start. They don't. First Class possibly could have done this if not for putting Jackman and Rebecca Romijn in. Even then, maybe they could be seen as cameos like putting Lou Ferrigno in a new Hulk film (though I think it was pretty clear Jackman was playing Logan) However, if there was any doubt remaining, DOFP sealed it. All the original cast were back playing the same characters. They combined the older and the younger casts, it is therefore all one continuity regardless of any time travel that occurs. The problems in continuity in one set of films is a problem for all the films.
 
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Nah, its all been cleaned up, 101%.

:lol


I know you're joking there but I want to just point out anyway - little has been ''cleaned up''. Things that people didn't like about X-men 3 have been undone. Xavier, Scott and Jean are all alive again but those character deaths weren't continuity issues, just dramatic choice issues that people hated. Hank McCoy appearing as a human in a news report in X2 can now be explained as him still using that serum to suppress his mutation at that particular time. Maybe someone can add some other inconsistencies that have been cleaned up. But there's not much else I don't think.

X-men universe - great fun - still a bit of a cluster***k though.
 
I know you're joking there but I want to just point out anyway - little has been ''cleaned up''. Things that people didn't like about X-men 3 have been undone. Xavier, Scott and Jean are all alive again but those character deaths weren't continuity issues, just dramatic choice issues that people hated. Hank McCoy appearing as a human in a news report in X2 can now be explained as him still using that serum to suppress his mutation at that particular time. Maybe someone can add some other inconsistencies that have been cleaned up. But there's not much else I don't think.

X-men universe - great fun - still a bit of a cluster***k though.

I don’t think its that bad anymore, a few things got answered, while some other things remain, but all of that has pretty much been scrapped I guess, even if Logan and Charles know what happened.

It would be fun if someone found away to list plot holes that still remain after DOFP and see if we can answer them :lol
 
My point is though, saying anything was 'scrapped' is not accurate. Nothing was actually scrapped. DOFP acknowledges X1-3 and The Wolverine as the background to the story at hand. (not sure about Origins) And even by the very end Wolverine remembers the events from those films. The fact he and the rest of the characters will now be experiencing a new timeline from 1973 onwards doesn't change that they happened in the first place with all the continuity errors that were already there.
 
My point is though, saying anything was 'scrapped' is not accurate. Nothing was actually scrapped. DOFP acknowledges X1-3 and The Wolverine as the background to the story at hand. (not sure about Origins) And even by the very end Wolverine remembers the events from those films. The fact he and the rest of the characters will now be experiencing a new timeline from 1973 onwards doesn't change that they happened in the first place with all the continuity errors that were already there.

I think it does to a certain extent, since the new timeline has been changed, how do we know whats a plot hole now, all of that could have been answered somewhere in between 1973-2023.

Theres a few minor plot holes I can’t think of an answer for, like Charles saying he met Magneto when he was 17, thats just doesn’t make sense no matter the timeline reboot, unless somewhere in between the X1, and DOFP, he realized he bumped into Erik when he was 17 :lol before they met in FC. Bill Duke as Trask can be easily explained as two different men with the same last name, thats it. Now the two Moira Mctaggerts is a little harder to explain, but I guess you can say they’re related or something.
 
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