X-Men: Days of Future Past

[Darkseed]

Sooooooo when Jackman is ready to hang up the claws another time traveling flick will occur allowing some one to change Logan's DNA within the womb so he comes out looking completely different. Then all is well again in X verse....

 

[a-dev]

Sooooooo when Jackman is ready to hang up the claws another time traveling flick will occur allowing some one to change Logan's DNA within the womb so he comes out looking completely different. Then all is well again in X verse....

That's pretty much the absurdity that's being bandied about. I don't buy the different characters with same name thing either. Unfortunately its these writers just not thinking things out properly. I mean the whole Trask thing - did they really not remember that character was in X3 played by a 6 foot 5 black man, the same film that they are acknowledging as background canon for DOFP? That's an entirely new **** up created by this film and people are saying DOFP cleans things up? It does and its arse. Great entertaining film though.

 

[Darkseed]

That's pretty much the absurdity that's being bandied about. I don't buy the different characters with same name thing either. Unfortunately its these writers just not thinking things out properly. I mean the whole Trask thing - did they really not remember that character was in X3, the same film that they are acknowledging as background canon for DOFP? That's an entirely new **** up created by this film and people are saying DOFP cleans things up? It does and its arse. Great entertaining film though.

Yea.....it was a fantastic one of my favorite Xmen films but I agree it didn't clear up everything. That said, the film was fantastic and the franchise going back in the right direction I'll play along with continuity play tho I don't really think it's accurate.

 

[pturtle]

That's pretty much the absurdity that's being bandied about. I don't buy the different characters with same name thing either. Unfortunately its these writers just not thinking things out properly. I mean the whole Trask thing - did they really not remember that character was in X3, the same film that they are acknowledging as background canon for DOFP? That's an entirely new **** up created by this film which supposedly ''cleans'' things up.

Theres nothing those two characters share other then last names. I’m sure when X3 released Bill Duke was supposed to be Bolivar Trask, but fortunately the writers left themselves some room to retcon that. Some other stuff would have to be answered with cop out answers, but since we don’t know what happens in the original timelines we can just use our imaginations to answer those plot holes, or forget about it and just go with the new timeline.

 

[jye4ever]

Do you know how many a-dev's are in my family alone!

 

[pturtle]

Mcavoy and Fassbender do impressions of Stewart and Mckellen

 

[Niltusk]

Awesome. Classy bunch of guys, pretty funny as well.

 

[Khev]

Regardless of my criticisms against DOFP there's still a heck of a lot to appreciate. I just love the cleverness of the time-travel story with Logan having to figure things out in the 70's while his future body was defenseless and subject to Sentinel attack at any moment. Even with so many different levels it was never hard to follow at any given moment.

Entertainment Weekly said it best: "It's complex without being confusing." Compare that to the ridiculously over-complicated MOS (I still don't get why Kal-El having codex DNA meant anything.)

 

[Niltusk]

Regardless of my criticisms against DOFP there's still a heck of a lot to appreciate. I just love the cleverness of the time-travel story with Logan having to figure things out in the 70's while his future body was defenseless and subject to Sentinel attack at any moment. Even with so many different levels it was never hard to follow at any given moment.

Entertainment Weekly said it best: "It's complex without being confusing." Compare that to the ridiculously over-complicated MOS (I still don't get why Kal-El having codex DNA meant anything.)

It's cause with everything going on Singer still chose the old KISS formula. This movie could have collapsed on itself otherwise, but never seemed in danger of that. Too many flicks go the opposite way and try to over complicate things, I feel this is why the new Spidey flicks aren't living up to what they could be and instead feel bloated. Anyways, not to digress too much, but Singer did well on his return to the throne, now to see if he can return the franchise the popularity enjoyed going into X-3.

 

[karamazov80]

I just saw the first couple of minutes on Youtube again, and I really want to see this one at the theater again. I don't usually get that way about movies. I think the way you were geeking out over Winter Soldier is the way I'm feeling about this movie, Khev. It hits the right comic geek nerve for me. X-Men was my favorite comic as a kid, and Wolverine was my favorite character after age 6 or so. This is the movie that treats this franchise the way it deserves to be treated. And I surely hope all the controversies around Singer won't keep him from helming the next film.

 

[Khev]

I know you're joking there but I want to just point out anyway - little has been ''cleaned up''.

I disagree 100%. EVERYTHING was cleaned up (from the original X-trilogy anyway) IMO. You're assuming that all the errors of X1, X2, and X3 carried over as parted of an erased timeline that Logan remembers only because of stock footage from some of those films popping up. But I just allow for the notion that none of those films *ever* happened, even in the X:FC/DOFP universe.

Imagine if you watched *only* X:FC and then when right into DOFP. You'd know Wolverine as a foul-mouthed punk in a bar who at some point becomes one of the X-Men prior to 2023. You'd see Blink and Warpath as part of this "new" future team, but also Iceman, Storm, and Kitty Pryde. There's no reason we can't take just X:FC and DOFP and assume that X1 characters are all new just like Blink and Warpath. They just happen to be played by the same actors in that other "trial run" trilogy.

We know that even according to DOFP a ton of stuff happened between 1973 and 2023. We hear of certain historical touchstones but don't see how every single new X-Man joined the team between FC and future DOFP. So just take the two new films (X:FC and DOFP) as being the ONLY canon that ever existed and that when Wolverine has a flashback of events in his life we're just seeing big budget "stock footage" used to represent certain events. If you never saw X1-X3 you'd just fill in those blanks just like we already do with whatever assumptions we make about all the different Sentinel upgrades and X-Men roster changes that occurred between 1973 and 2023.

So in my mind DOFP took X:FC as a true reboot and just used selective stock footage for a different context in a totally autonomous new series disconnected from anything that has gone before. Think about it. It works.

 

[Khev]

I think the way you were geeking out over Winter Soldier is the way I'm feeling about this movie, Khev.

That's so cool. I love that so many fans are getting their dream comic book movies these days.

 

[Niltusk]

I disagree 100%. EVERYTHING was cleaned up (from the original X-trilogy anyway.) You're assuming that all the errors of X1, X2, and X3 carried over as parted of an erased timeline that Logan remembers only because of stock footage from some of those films popping up. But I just allow for the notion that none of those films *ever* happened, even in the X:FC/DOFP universe.

Imagine if you watched *only* X:FC and then when right into DOFP. You'd know Wolverine as a foul-mouthed punk in a bar who at some point becomes one of the X-Men prior to 2023. You'd see Blink and Warpath as part of his "new" future team, but also Iceman, Storm, and Kitty Pryde. There's no reason we can't take just X:FC and DOFP and assume that X1 characters are all new just like Blink and Warpath. They just happen to be played by the same actors in that other "trial run" trilogy.

We know that even according to DOFP a ton of stuff happened between 1973 and 2023. We hear of certain historical touchstones but don't see how every single new X-Man joined the team between FC and future DOFP. So just take the two new films (X:FC and DOFP) as being the ONLY canon that ever existed and that when Wolverine has a flashback of events in his life we're just seeing big budget "stock footage" used to represent certain events. If you never saw X1-X3 you'd just fill in those blanks just like we already do with whatever assumptions we make about all the different Sentinel upgrades and X-Men roster changes that occurred between 1973 and 2023.

So in my mind DOFP took X:FC as a true reboot and just used selective stock footage for a different context in a totally autonomous new series disconnected from anything that has gone before. Think about it. It works.

That's how I see it. Besides, nitpicking 15 years of flicks from multiple directors is a fruitless endeavor. Singer could have copped out and just pulled a "if I didn't make it, it's not canon", instead he embraced it all, adopted a super popular story and used it to get where we are.

 

[jye4ever]

My favorite scene in the entire movie was when Magneto explains to Raven that Trask got a sample of her blood anyways and Raven fires back "And who's fault was that!"

That one simple scene was so powerful.

Raven assaulting his ego, shoving in his face his self condemnation.

Yeah, she humiliated Magneto.

 

[jye4ever]

That's how I see it. Besides, nitpicking 15 years of flicks from multiple directors is a fruitless endeavor. Singer could have copped out and just pulled a "if I didn't make it, it's not canon", instead he embraced it all, adopted a super popular story and used it to get where we are.

Well said.

 

[a-dev]

I disagree 100%. EVERYTHING was cleaned up (from the original X-trilogy anyway) IMO. You're assuming that all the errors of X1, X2, and X3 carried over as parted of an erased timeline that Logan remembers only because of stock footage from some of those films popping up. But I just allow for the notion that none of those films *ever* happened, even in the X:FC/DOFP universe.

Imagine if you watched *only* X:FC and then when right into DOFP. You'd know Wolverine as a foul-mouthed punk in a bar who at some point becomes one of the X-Men prior to 2023. You'd see Blink and Warpath as part of his "new" future team, but also Iceman, Storm, and Kitty Pryde. There's no reason we can't take just X:FC and DOFP and assume that X1 characters are all new just like Blink and Warpath. They just happen to be played by the same actors in that other "trial run" trilogy.

We know that even according to DOFP a ton of stuff happened between 1973 and 2023. We hear of certain historical touchstones but don't see how every single new X-Man joined the team between FC and future DOFP. So just take the two new films (X:FC and DOFP) as being the ONLY canon that ever existed and that when Wolverine has a flashback of events in his life we're just seeing big budget "stock footage" used to represent certain events. If you never saw X1-X3 you'd just fill in those blanks just like we already do with whatever assumptions we make about all the different Sentinel upgrades and X-Men roster changes that occurred between 1973 and 2023.

So in my mind DOFP took X:FC as a true reboot and just used selective stock footage for a different context in a totally autonomous new series disconnected from anything that has gone before. Think about it. It works.

I kinda did think about that. Its like how I would disregard the Star Wars PT but perhaps accept the broadstroke story points as canon if it is necessary to do so for the new sequel trilogy. But that's a personal choice for every fan and you can be damn sure George Lucas doesn't consider it a valid position to pretend Anakin's discussion about sand didn't happen. Likewise I'm not sure that's what Singer actually intends that fans do when thinking of the original 3 X-men films and now FC and DOFP.

To me its the movie-makers intention that counts the most and informs how I'll feel about it. If you could tell me for an actual fact that Singer wants us to take only the broadstrokes of the first 3 X-men films, forget the little specifics like Xavier saying he met Eric when he was 17 and that he and Eric built cerebro etc etc but do assume that Wolverine had to kill Jean Grey, Cyclops was dead and so on, well then maybe I'd accept the idea that the series has been 'cleaned up'. Mind you I'd still find it a pity that they couldn't research their own damn films as they went along so as not to make these errors in the first place.

 

[Niltusk]

My favorite scene in the entire movie was when Magneto explains to Raven that Trask got a sample of her blood anyways and Raven fires back "And who's fault was that!"

That one simple scene was so powerful.

Raven assaulting his ego, shoving in his face his self condemnation.

Yeah, she humiliated Magneto.

I had a few moments like that, where maybe it didn't seem like anything'OMG' was going on, but it really hit me.
Effects wise, quicksilver scene while the mutants were getting gunned down, and then the Blink portal use...seemed so simple, but seeing the same sentinel in 2 positions on screen at once just...'booom'
Scenewise, Magneto recovering his helm, Charles telling Logan off, and even in the second viewing, Magneto descending on the lawn with the sentinels in tow after setting up his makeshift arena, I don't know, that just gets me like, man this is the flare of a comic book mega villain. He didn't need to do that, but he was wanting to set the stage for the world to see before he started the cameras. The plane scene was brilliant too, I was actually feeling sorry for Charles, he looked like a whipped dog.

 

[Khev]

I just look think the whole first trilogy is like 1990 Total Recall now where you can make a case for the whole thing being either in his head or real. At worst I can pretend that the X-trilogy now represents Wolverine's fragmented "memory" of that first timeline. A dream-like trilogy pieced together in his mind after the events of DOFP but not totally representative of what actually happened (hence the continuity issues.) Regardless of what Singer's personal take is the fact remains that he has really opened the whole series up to interpretation, which I love. I'm sure Verhoeven has a specific preference for what "really" happened in Total Recall but we're still free to assume whatever we like.

Tarantino always said that the second director for any given movie is the audience because we always get to interpret what is presented however we choose. For some movies the burden on the audience is just way too much connect dots that the director just didn't have a clue about but I don't believe that is the case with DOFP.

 

[jye4ever]

I had a few moments like that, where maybe it didn't seem like anything'OMG' was going on, but it really hit me.
Effects wise, quicksilver scene while the mutants were getting gunned down, and then the Blink portal use...seemed so simple, but seeing the same sentinel in 2 positions on screen at once just...'booom'
Scenewise, Magneto recovering his helm, Charles telling Logan off, and even in the second viewing, Magneto descending on the lawn with the sentinels in tow after setting up his makeshift arena, I don't know, that just gets me like, man this is the flare of a comic book mega villain. He didn't need to do that, but he was wanting to set the stage for the world to see before he started the cameras. The plane scene was brilliant too, I was actually feeling sorry for Charles, he looked like a whipped dog.

Magneto was off the charts in this movie, even more so than FC, and he was great in that so it took great weiting for him to surpass FC.

Trask was very menacing, I liked when he brought up Jason to Stryker.

McAvoy was also amazing in this.

Shame that Batman vs Marvel will be nothing like this.

 

[Niltusk]

Magneto was off the charts in this movie, even more so than FC, and he was great in that so it took great weiting for him to surpass FC.

Trask was very menacing, I liked when he brought up Jason to Stryker.

McAvoy was also amazing in this.

Shame that Batman vs Marvel will be nothing like this.

Forgot about that the first time I saw this, yeah, lots of little portents of things to come. Probably will not make it out to see this a third time but this morning just cemented it. Love the movie and will watch the **** out of it on blu to be sure.