X-Men: Days of Future Past

[Khev]

That would've been the case, had she gotten away with it

Yep. It all came down to her killing him AND being caught. They needed her to parade to the world and they needed her DNA to perfect the Sentinels. Charles acted like it was all about convincing Mystique to not kill but Magneto was on the right track as well in recognizing that as long as she didn't get caught that would also prevent the Sentinel uprising.

What I'd like to know is how did Magneto take control of the Sentinels. At first I thought he was using the metal that he intertwined with their endoskeletons to manipulate them like puppets but clearly he was in control of their every thought and function for a time. How did he manage that?

 

[jye4ever]

That would've been the case, had she gotten away with it, but, because she was caught, not only did she prove that mutants existed, but, also, that they were a threat. Keep in mind that Congress pretty much only knew about the Sentinel program, which he spun into a sort of precautionary measure and last resort, and not all of Trask's shady experiments on Mutants. So, with that in mind, it was basically "if they're willing to kill someone just for being a vocal critic, what else are they willing to do?"

Ok, good enough explanation for me, please continue.

 

[jye4ever]

Yep. It all came down to her killing him AND being caught. They needed her to parade to the world and they needed her DNA to perfect the Sentinels. Charles acted like it was all about convincing Mystique to not kill but Magneto was on the right track as well in recognizing that as long as she didn't get caught that would also prevent the Sentinel uprising.

What I'd like to know is how did Magneto take control of the Sentinels. At first I thought he was using the metal that he intertwined with their endoskeletons to manipulate them like puppets but clearly he was in control of their every thought and function for a time. How did he manage that?

But who's they?

Congress was on the mutants side already, they said so to Trask.

Congress didn't need her DNA, Trask did.

Regarding Magneto, idk if he was actually controlling them shooting at non mutants, was he.

 

[Kibagami]

Yep. It all came down to her killing him AND being caught. They needed her to parade to the world and they needed her DNA to perfect the Sentinels. Charles acted like it was all about convincing Mystique to not kill but Magneto was on the right track as well in recognizing that as long as she didn't get caught that would also prevent the Sentinel uprising.

What I'd like to know is how did Magneto take control of the Sentinels. At first I thought he was using the metal that he intertwined with their endoskeletons to manipulate them like puppets but clearly he was in control of their every thought and function for a time. How did he manage that?

I don't think the sentinels were as advanced. That's my flimsy argument. And I'm sticking to it.

 

[Khev]

But who's they?

Trask's people.

Regarding Magneto, idk if he was actually controlling them shooting at non mutants, was he.

How did he make their guns open fire? Wouldn't he have had to have been controlling their CPU's?

 

[Kibagami]

Trask's people.



How did he make their guns open fire? Wouldn't he have had to have been controlling their CPU's?

Good point cause I remember the guns and the ammo weren't made out of metal too.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't think the sentinels were as advanced. That's my flimsy argument. And I'm sticking to it.

Flimsy ftw.

Trask's people.



How did he make their guns open fire? Wouldn't he have had to have been controlling their CPU's?

It is a great point you are making.

I think they were shooting at the direction of the mutants (Wol, X, Beast - Do what you were made for).

Civilians-Cops-Cop cars were just caught in the cross fire.

But if he needed to shoot civilians with them, I don't think he could've had them do it, hence why he pointed handguns at the politicians.

 

[a-dev]

Y'know I could totally get behind George Lucas-style retrofitting of the first 3 films. With a few line changes, a few cuts and some character renames here and there you could correct all or most of the inconsistencies between X1-3 and FC & DOFP.

And it wouldn't be some big offence because the X-men films aren't regarded as sacred in the movie world like the original Star Wars trilogy. Also FC and DOFP were good films, unlike the Star Wars PT, so making the older films conform to them I think would be acceptable

 

[FSLAR]

I don't think the sentinels were as advanced. That's my flimsy argument. And I'm sticking to it.

They probably weren't, at least considering that they didn't utilize any part of Mystique's DNA. It's probably still a plot hole though.

 

[Michael Crawford]

No plot holes with the Sentinals - they tell you that it takes 40 years for them to develop into what we see attacking in 2023. It wasn't *just* getting her DNA, they had to have the tech to use it. The Sentinels of 1973 are pretty much just big robots - non-metallic, but robots.

And Magneto could make them do anything he wanted - he'd created a metal skeleton to control their physical actions. Assuming the firing of the guns was still at it's heart an analog function (again, 1973), then he could fire them. This also speaks directly to how Wolverine can get his metal skeleton...we've already seen Magneto do it.

Also, Magneto was wrong. Had he succeeded, the outcome would have been no different than the original timeline. He thought that by showing extreme brute force, showing humans that they could not possible defeat the mutants, that they'd roll over and give up. That would not happen - instead, you'd have world peace (as in Watchmen) as the entire human race banded together to find a way to defeat the mutants. While he had a very cold war attitude (which is perfectly in line with the times), it would have been the same result.

The film had a ton of great acting and great writing. Of course, everyone loved the Quicksilver/kitchen sequence, but there were a ton of great touches throughout. I wanted to mention that I think the scene from Star Trek had two meanings - one, the most obvious, is that Trek used time travel more than once to pull themselves out of a jam, but two, as a nod to the idea that Singer has done exactly the same thing the Trek franchise did - use time travel to create a new timeline and clean out all the old stories, allowing them to move forward without continuity problems.

There's two big continuity issues that still bug me (Xavier being alive, which has never been really addressed, and Mystique being in the earlier X-men films, although she should have been captured in 1973), but overall I really enjoyed the flick and am impressed with where it's heading. Bring on Apocalypse!

 

[bicoid18]

How did he make their guns open fire? Wouldn't he have had to have been controlling their CPU's?

I think he was. He had genius level intellect in the comics and helped create Cerebro. In the movie, he had the schematics for the sentinels and was studying them when he was stitching himself up in the hotel room.


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[a-dev]

There's two big continuity issues that still bug me (Xavier being alive, which has never been really addressed, and Mystique being in the earlier X-men films, although she should have been captured in 1973), but overall I really enjoyed the flick and am impressed with where it's heading. Bring on Apocalypse!

Well the answer to the second one is easy, she escaped captivity by the time of the original X-men films.

 

[Michael Crawford]

Well the answer to the second one is easy, she escaped captivity by the time of the original X-men films.

Yea, I suppose...still, seems kinda cheesy. Of course, that would explain why she's so fired up to be on Magneto's side by the 1980's.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I loved Future Mags helping things along intercut with 70s Mags ****ing **** up. Though the people in my cinema laughed out loud when he did the McKellen flying pose at the end.

 

[pturtle]

I actually like that we don't know how Professor X comes back. At the end of the Wolverine he tells Logan that he has his tricks, and that's good enough for me. That’s why I think the movie was great, they didn’t try to answer everything and overcomplicate things, they tell us what we need to move the story along.

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[karamazov80]

Yeah, it wasn't a huge issue for me. But then, I'm willing to accept a handful of really glaring inconsistencies like that, the Mystique being captured and likely killed thing, the existence of two completely different Emma Frosts and Sabretooths, Prof. X and Mags meeting at different points in time, etc.

I loved Future Mags helping things along intercut with 70s Mags ****ing **** up. Though the people in my cinema laughed out loud when he did the McKellen flying pose at the end.

What are you referring to? When he flew away after losing his helmet? Was that any different than the pose he used when he was moving the stadium? The audience I was with seemed to think it was pretty bad ass during his entrance. I did.

 

[jye4ever]

Yes, a real Team-X

I definitely want Juggernaut back... but not the one based off the Internet meme

 

[jye4ever]

New Wolverine should be a grunt only roll with the occasional Bub.

Btw, Wolverine's line to Magneto in the plane to pick up all the stuff was a major LOL moment.

Loved his confidence against Magneto.

 

[Jaycepticon]

New Wolverine should be a grunt only roll with the occasional Bub.

Btw, Wolverine's line to Magneto in the plane to pick up all the stuff was a major LOL moment.

Loved his confidence against Magneto.

Tough talk when he doesn't have adamantium metal in him

but seriously, I guess I was asking for too much when I was waiting for him to show consistency about being scared flying.

 

[jye4ever]

Tough talk when he doesn't have adamantium metal in him

but seriously, I guess I was asking for too much when I was waiting for him to show consistency about being scared flying.

More the reason to be cocky, Magneto can't fling him around like a rag doll.

Wolverine would survive the plane crash had Magneto went full ****.