X-Men: Days of Future Past

[lerath666]

That's cool. though people were asking where all the Merchandise was ( specificly official posters) My comment wwas directed at that.

 

[Khev]

Seriously? Come on. This again?

One more time: DISNEY DOES NOT OWN THE MERCHANDISING RIGHTS TO THE XMEN FILMS.

I don't know where you heard that or read it. However you came across the information, it's wrong.

You are right about the rights staying at Fox as long as they keep making movies though, but not about the merchandise.

Think about what you're saying. What studio would even make a deal like that? Especially back in the 90's when EVERY movie had merchandise. Hell, even Kevin Costner's Robin Hood got figures made.

And why?

Batman '89. BM89 made 400 million at the box office yes, but made 750 million in merchandise. So do you think Fox or any other studio would give up the merchandising rights? No, they wouldn't and they didn't (and still wouldn't).

You're confusing the deal Disney has with Sony.

So one more time again: DISNEY OWNS THE MERCHANDISING RIGHTS TO THE SPIDER-MAN FILMS.

Those rights reverted back to Disney in 2011. Disney got to take control over the merchandising rights, and in return gave up their cut from the films.

That's it. That's all there was to it. Fox NEVER made that deal, and if they did, it would have been AFTER the merger, so it would have been reported somewhere, and if it is, tell me where to find it.

Just so you know, I'm not trying to be a jerk to you. It's just that this, "information" or BS or what ever you want to call it has been talked about in THREE different threads now, and it all comes down to some people (or one) that are upset that they're not getting XMen toys, and evidently think that by making up ,"facts", or trashing Disney, that's somehow going to make their dream a reality.

Let me ask you this: if Disney owns the film merchandising rights to Spider-Man AND the XMen, why is Disney only licensing Spidey? Disney isn't, "making" any of the merchandise, they're cashing checks from people that ARE making it. So if Disney's SO GREEDY, why would they turn down money for not doing anything, for any reason?

The answer is, they wouldn't. If Disney had the rights, you would see a ton of XMen crap.

So please, enough of this already. Disney isn't crying about not having the film rights to Spidey, XMen or the Fantastic Four. On the contrary, by Fox and Sony having the rights to those charactors, they're SAVING Disney about 900 million dollars in production and marketing costs for movies that they're not interested in making at this time anyway.

I mean, what's next? Are people going to start saying the reason AMS2 and DoFP didn't make a billion at the box office is because Disney is somehow, "manipulating" the results?

You know what? Forget I said that, I don't want to give anyone ideas.

Listen to yourself. "Fox would NEVER make a deal without acquiring merchandising rights. If Disney owned the merchandising you'd see a TON of X-Men merchandise." Okay so Disney would make toys and sell them and make money but Fox...simply doesn't want to? They want NO profits from merchandise? Because of Batman and Robin Hood and a million other movies they will *unquestionably* insist on merchandising rights just so they can...not release merchandise? Yeah that makes sense.

The fact is you don't know who owns what, all we do know is that we have a massive movie that Fox made that is not their IP and we have no toys, books, anything to go with it. There's only two possibilities here: A company either controls the merchandise for their own movie and doesn't want to make themselves potentially hundreds more millions OR another company controls the merchandise (or has some say in it) and doesn't want their rival to make money. Both scenarios are highly unusual but they are the only two options and a company hamstringing profits of a rival as opposed to themselves makes much more sense to me.

If you think Fox looked at Batman's 750 million in merchandise and said, "yeah we don't want that, any of it, we just want the rights," then eh, more power to you. But I find that notion to be quite silly.

 

[iron.jedi83]

X-Men has this for merchandise

https://shop.lego.com/en-US/X-Men-vs-The-Sentinel-76022?fromListing=listing

it has Wolverine battling a Sentinel...

 

[The Phantom]

Listen to yourself. "Fox would NEVER make a deal without acquiring merchandising rights. If Disney owned the merchandising you'd see a TON of X-Men merchandise." Okay so Disney would make toys and sell them and make money but Fox...simply doesn't want to? They want NO profits from merchandise? Because of Batman and Robin Hood and a million other movies they will *unquestionably* insist on merchandising rights just so they can...not release merchandise? Yeah that makes sense.

The fact is you don't know who owns what, all we do know is that we have a massive movie that Fox made that is not their IP and we have no toys, books, anything to go with it. There's only two possibilities here: A company either controls the merchandise for their own movie and doesn't want to make themselves potentially hundreds more millions OR another company controls the merchandise (or has some say in it) and doesn't want their rival to make money. Both scenarios are highly unusual but they are the only two options and a company hamstringing profits of a rival as opposed to themselves makes much more sense to me.

If you think Fox looked at Batman's 750 million in merchandise and said, "yeah we don't want that, any of it, we just want the rights," then eh, more power to you. But I find that notion to be quite silly.

I am listening to myself.

Fox made this deal with Marvel back in the 90's. Not yesterday. Back in the 90's EVERY movie had action figures and tons of other stuff. So do you think that Fox would have made a deal that signed over 100% of the merchandising to Marvel? Listen to what you're saying.
Do you think any studio would do that? No. Certainly not now and especially not then.

The problem is, is that it's not the 90's anymore. The action figure market today isn't what it was back then. It's not even what it was 10 years ago. I see plenty of Avengers figures that don't sell. Spidey too.

And Is this movie massive? Is this film burning up the BO? Not really. Neither did XM:FC. DoFP is a sequel to that. There was no merchandise for that movie either. Did anyone really notice, or even complain?

Hot Toys made prototypes for that movie and then didn't release them. When does that usually happen, and what's usually the reason?

So yes, obviously Fox doesn't want to. For what reason, I have no idea. Maybe it's because figures from the first 2 XMen films didn't sell. Maybe the retailers don't want them. That's a possibility also, a very good one.
I don't think there's been any merchandise from an XMan film since X2 (other than Wolverine). Was there anything for X3?

Look, if you want to think that Disney's, "hamstringing them", then I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. But if you want to think that, then explain to me why they have no problem licensing out Spidey(another competitor), but not XMen?

Please, try to explain it without implying that there's some conspiracy.

 

[Khev]

I am listening to myself.

Fox made this deal with Marvel back in the 90's. Not yesterday. Back in the 90's EVERY movie had action figures and tons of other stuff.

Yep and guess what. In 2014 every superhero movie STILL has action figures. Except X-Men. So everyone else wants to make money (even if it's less than the glory days of the 90's) except for Fox.

I believe Feige has already gone on record saying that Marvel owns Spider-Man movie merchandise and that they are happy to rake in the dough. So there's your precedent right there for a studio getting to make movies about Marvel characters but Marvel/Disney still controlling the toys and books. Who knows why they're reluctant to get X-Men figures out there. Maybe they split the profits with Fox and it's worth it for them to sign off on 100% of profits for Spidey toys but not 50% of X-Men. Or maybe they want only one movie "team" on the shelves and are doing whatever they can to make sure that this year it's GotG.

Or maybe it is personal. Who knows. What it comes down to is you believe that Fox doesn't want to make money for themselves and I believe that Disney/Marvel doesn't want their rival to make money. Now if someone from Fox goes on record and says, "yeah we own the merchandising 100% but we're not right in the head and don't want to make extra money" then I'll concede that they are indeed buffoons and that you were right all along.

 

[YoNoSe]

The only way to figure it out is trial by combat.

Go!

 

[The Phantom]

Yep and guess what. In 2014 every superhero movie STILL has action figures. Except X-Men. So everyone else wants to make money (even if it's less than the glory days of the 90's) except for Fox.

I believe Feige has already gone on record saying that Marvel owns Spider-Man movie merchandise and that they are happy to rake in the dough. So there's your precedent right there for a studio getting to make movies about Marvel characters but Marvel/Disney still controlling the toys and books. Who knows why they're reluctant to get X-Men figures out there. Maybe they split the profits with Fox and it's worth it for them to sign off on 100% of profits for Spidey toys but not 50% of X-Men. Or maybe they want only one movie "team" on the shelves and are doing whatever they can to make sure that this year it's GotG.

Or maybe it is personal. Who knows. What it comes down to is you believe that Fox doesn't want to make money for themselves and I believe that Disney/Marvel doesn't want their rival to make money. Now if someone from Fox goes on record and says, "yeah we own the merchandising 100% but we're not right in the head and don't want to make extra money" then I'll concede that they are indeed buffoons and that you were right all along.

But which heroes have figures on the shelves? You have to take that in to consideration too. Right now you have (just the movies, mind you. Comics don't count) Batman, Superman (DC's heaviest hitters), Spider-Man(Marvel's Batman), and the Avengers (Solo movies and a huge hit). That's why they're there. All those heroes are also colorful and popular. Xmen's movie's designs aren't really that interesting in that regard, and not really kid friendly. Neither was The Dark Knight trilogy or Man of Steel, but it's Batman and Superman. Stores will always want them.

You also have to take into consideration what retailers order. If stores got burned on the Xmen figures from the early 00's, then they're NOT going to order them again. Do you think that it's not going to be hard to sell Green Lantern figures in the future?

Ok, forget about action figures. Why doesn't Fox do anything else? If they wanted to make books on, say, "The making of XMen-DoFP", why don't they? Action figures aren't the only thing they can merchandise you know. They have nothing out there. Why? Disney can't stop them from doing products like that for their movie, so why don't they? The only tie-in I've seen them do nationally are those extreme cream twinkies, which ended up being more embarassing than anything else.

As much as I liked XM:FC, the fact is, it didn't do that well, so it's not going to be easy for Fox to get companies on board for the sequel.

Yes, Disney does have 100% of Spidey's merchandising. That's why there's swag. I'm sure Disney IS happy to make money off Spidey. There's no precedent. Spidey is Marvel's Batman. Even a ****** Spidey film will get retail orders. XMen don't have that luxury.

You're probably right about retailers wanting one team on the shelf, but Disney wouldn't have any say in that. Do you think that Disney can dictate what Walmart orders? No. They can only control what goes on the shelves of Disney stores. That's it.

I do think Fox wants to make money, sure. I honestly don't know what the deal is, but can everything be Disney putting the screws to them?

If want to think that the Disney/Fox thing is personal, I can't convince you differently. If you're waiting for Fox to come out and admit to a bunch of fanboys what the details of their Marvel contract are, well, good luck with that.

 

[lerath666]

No... but disney/marvel WILL have some input into figure designes that need to be approved. all they would need to do is not approve anything that hasbro submits.

 

[YoNoSe]

No... but disney/marvel WILL have some input into figure designes that need to be approved. all they would need to do is not approve anything that hasbro submits.

Assuming Hasbro submits anything. They spent the last two Wolverine movies transitioning movie designs out of the their toy lines. And did nothing at all for First Class.

Of course, "just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you." And also I'm drunk right now. But still, Medicom sucks. What year is it? ZZZZZZZZZZ!

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, **** Medicom!

 

[Silrian]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Fox will be putting effort into merchandising hence forward... DoFP was a massive risk, MANY franchise fans expected it to bomb, me included. And it's gonna outgross thor, rival cap2 and become the best x-men film yet financially. That was hardly an easy call. Think that played into it. Kinda sucky to invest in tons of merch when your film would've been the nail in the coffin of your franchise. Seeing as ASM2 doens't have this merch problem it seems to me Fox wasn't confident enough in the film to merchandise it except for commercial purposes, like x-treme cream twinkies. (Which obviously worked very well.)

Then again, I immediately believe dismarv wants to screw any rival as much as they can in any god damn way possible, if they can do it via merch, I fully expect they WILL and ARE doing so.

They even screw their own artists for box office purposes, as the Edgar Wright debacle just showed us. I'm not sure where Feige is in that, he seems to walk the line between exec and sincere property fan. But word is he got screwed along with Wright as well by "higher ups". So yeah, the "higher ups" at disney are relentlessly greedy.

"Haha."

 

[Niltusk]

The Phantom is just trolling threads or.... let's just say his leap in logic is an interesting take on reality.

 

[The Phantom]

Who's trolling now?

Leaps in logic? I'll take that over paranoid delusions any day.

 

[spindrift]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Fox will be putting effort into merchandising hence forward... DoFP was a massive risk, MANY franchise fans expected it to bomb, me included. And it's gonna outgross thor, rival cap2 and become the best x-men film yet financially. That was hardly an easy call. Think that played into it. Kinda sucky to invest in tons of merch when your film would've been the nail in the coffin of your franchise. Seeing as ASM2 doens't have this merch problem it seems to me Fox wasn't confident enough in the film to merchandise it except for commercial purposes, like x-treme cream twinkies. (Which obviously worked very well.)

Then again, I immediately believe dismarv wants to screw any rival as much as they can in any god damn way possible, if they can do it via merch, I fully expect they WILL and ARE doing so.

They even screw their own artists for box office purposes, as the Edgar Wright debacle just showed us. I'm not sure where Feige is in that, he seems to walk the line between exec and sincere property fan. But word is he got screwed along with Wright as well by "higher ups". So yeah, the "higher ups" at disney are relentlessly greedy.

"Haha."

I completely agree with you- I predicted bomb and look what happened... the licensing interest may have been slight and many manufactures are very careful about pouring development and production money into a line they aren't enthusiastic about. Look how many miscalculations have been made...Robocop 2014 anyone? Look at the new Hobbit films..I'm shocked there hasn't been tons of stuff made from it ( guess LOTR merchadise didn't move??)

 

[The Ween]

I still haven't seen this movie.

 

[jye4ever]

Don't know why since there's a Hobbit in it.

 

[karamazov80]

I saw a post on another forum from a Diamond rep today, saying that they didn't consider an SDCC DOFP movie set because they didn't know if the movie would flop or not. . .you don't get that kind of skepticism with a Marvel Studios outing or whatever. Merchandising success with this one was not a forgone conclusion by any means.

 

[SwedishHeat]

And Is this movie massive? Is this film burning up the BO? Not really. Neither did XM:FC. DoFP is a sequel to that. There was no merchandise for that movie either. Did anyone really notice, or even complain?

A very interesting and valid point.

 

[jye4ever]

Box Office Mojo:

X-Men: Days of Future Past eased 37 percent to $9.5 million this weekend. On Friday, it passed The Amazing Spider-Man 2 to become the highest-grossing movie of Summer 2014. On Saturday, it crossed the $200 million mark, which makes it the first 20th Century Fox movie to get there since Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel in January 2010. So far, the seventh X-Men movie has earned $205.9 million.

X-Men: Days of Future Past has now earned $456 million overseas. That's more than April's Captain America: The Winter Soldier.


DOFP:
Domestic: $205,940,000 31.1%
+ Foreign: $455,800,000 68.9%
= Worldwide: $661,740,000


Cap 2:
Domestic: $256,324,000 36.1%
+ Foreign: $454,000,000 63.9%
= Worldwide: $710,324,000

 

[DiFabio]

Allllllll you care about is money.