X-Men: Days of Future Past

[GasparZizou]

The stadium creates a giant barrier and is a deliberate show of the extent of Erik's power at a nationally-televised event. Could the writers have had Magneto do something different to achieve the same end? Of course, but it clearly flows organically from two specific needs in the plot and adds in a historical nod (RFK is now closed). The helicopter thing was just pointless and over-the-top.

That's a great point, I can't believe I missed Magneto's mediatic focus coming into play with that. :

Regarding Cap's scene, it doesn't hurt the plot nor it diminishes what I think it's a more relevantly charged theme, I rarely recriminate a comic book movie for going a little crazy.

 

[DiFabio]

I thought the stadium was a little too much and definitely thought that JFK being "one of them" was too on the nose and inappropriate. I thought the helicopter bit with Falcon was pretty out there as well.

Those things didn't ruin the movie for me though. They're just those little oddities that exist in every film of this genre.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah, but Puffs' point is that in DOFP it at least ties and flows naturally within the plot, while in Cap2 the jump was just there for show, and I agree now.

But it didn't diminish anything in Cap2 for me either.

 

[DiFabio]

Having Kennedy be "one of us" was inappropriate though and didn't feel like it helped the plot at all. Only time I cringed during the entire film.

Magneto should have been in the Pentagon prison for trying to assassinate Nixon or something (which would have been classified and not public knowledge to citizens).

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't know, it made perfect sense for me, it was an "oh ****" moment

But I'm not American so maybe that's why it didn't strike me as inappropriate.

 

[karamazov80]

I didn't think the Kennedy thing was a big deal.

 

[jye4ever]

I wasn't born here and I cringed over the Kennedy thing.

I guess Singer saw it as a positive thing because Magneto was trying to protect Kennedy.

Not I.

 

[karamazov80]

Too soon? Is the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter thing more appropriate?

 

[jye4ever]

Wolverine was trying to protect Lincoln.

 

[DiFabio]

It's not just that, they're insinuating that the man was also a mutant! It's disrespectful and really isn't appropriate. In 1963 he was there in Dallas and died, it shook America. I know they've been trying to ground these films in the era that they take place in since First Class and Origins, but still. You don't do that.

In Watchmen I think it's tastefully done (also blink and you miss it), but in DOFP, it's a freaking plot point! Why the hell was Magneto at the grassy knoll anyway? The dude could stop hundreds of missiles from hitting him on a beach, lift an entire stadium, control hundreds of guns . . . but couldn't stop a bullet or two from hitting someone in the head/torso? Wut?

 

[pturtle]

I thought it was fine. Being a mutant was meant to be a positive thing. I wonder what was Kennedy's mutant power.

Since we don't know much of what happened, we don't really know how Magneto got taken down before being able to stop the bullet, he could have got shot in the back for all we know.


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[Boba Ben]

I think they tried to keep it slightly ambiguous with the Kennedy thing by saying "one of us" instead of mutant. I choose to think that Kennedy was a human advocate for mutants rather than a guy with porcupine quill powers. That or maybe that he had super extramarital affair powers.

 

[GasparZizou]

Good point Boba, but still I don't get why it would be disrespectful if he was a mutant.

Also, Magneto did say "they" stopped him before he could deflect the bullet completely, hence the weird trajectory.

 

[pturtle]

I don't think Magneto would refer to any human as "one of us", pro-mutant or not.


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[GasparZizou]

Let's say Kennedy was a mutant, clearly would be a good mutant, why would that be offensive? It's an honest question.

 

[pturtle]

The only way I can see it being offensive is if the film was poking fun at Kennedy for being a bit of an awkward looking man with a unique voice, kind of like Michael Jackson being an Alien in MIB, but I really don't think it was that.


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[Darkseed]

Dam took me to see this again for Father's Day.......such an awesome film

 

[GasparZizou]

The only way I can see it being offensive is if the film was poking fun at Kennedy for being a bit of an awkward looking man with a unique voice, kind of like Michael Jackson being an Alien in MIB, but I really don't think it was that.

I was unaware Kennedy was considered awkward looking he looked normal to me, anyway, most mutants look no different than anyone else.

 

[DiFabio]

Does this even have to be explained? I don't see how it isn't distasteful (mutant BS or not) honestly. It's really the only real problem I have with the film.

John F. Kennedy was a REAL person. It's cool seeing the television broadcasts of him in First Class (or in Forrest Gump or any film he's featured in), but to go as far as involving the plot during November 22, 1963 when he was killed? How is that respectful? Kennedy died before my time, but I don't see why any amount of time would make it appropriate. There's still family (Jackie and John Jr. might have died, but Caroline is still around).

Bottom line, the man wasn't a fictional character and it was a real tragedy. Implying he was some mutant creature (or supported them or whatever) and that a supervillain was involved in his death just isn't right. The fact that Singer and Fox released this,

To promote the film last year (which was the 50th anniversary of the murder by the way) via twitter, facebook, etc. isn't exactly tasteful at all in my opinion. You don't have to be age 50 (+) or from America to understand that. It's beyond ****ed up. What's the next revelation? Magneto tried to stop Robert Kennedy from getting gunned down? Martin Luther King? Hell, Malcolm X would be appropriate since that's the character he's based from right?

 

[Khev]

Age of Apocalypse will reveal that all the firefighters on 9/11 were Stryker's evil henchmen and it was Magneto who was actually trying to save people from the rubble.