X-Men: Days of Future Past

[karamazov80]

It was a neat little idea IMO, and while I can respect some folks getting upset about it, I don't think the vast majority of moviegoers were really bothered at all. So, I don't see why it should have been scrapped, either.

 

[Rambler]

I know I'm late to the party, but I finally saw this yesterday. What a great movie. Any movie that eliminates the entire X3 movie is great in my book.

 

[Khev]

If you want to microanalyze these movies, all of them have little holes. But the Mags thing is pretty easy to imagine. If he's concentrating on the bullet then he's not concentrating on himself, and all someone has to do is run up behind him and knock him out with the butt of their rifle. Keep him sedated until he's away from metal. As for the bullet trajectory, there could have been multiple bullets (as there were in reality), and Mags wasn't able to avert the path of all of them away from hitting vital organs.

Microanalyze? He's one of the most powerful mutants in the world that stands up to entire fleets of men with a wave of his hand and I'm just supposed to believe that a few Secret Service guys or cops took him down. I don't see how that's a nitpick. And I assumed that since they're going with the "magic bullet" as fact for their film that they're also suggesting there was only one bullet. In real life the magic zigzagging bullet was an alternative to there being two gunmen, the two theories didn't overlap.

 

[karamazov80]

No more odd than the idea that Winter Soldier sees Fury escaping into a hole in the ground and decides, "damn. Can't get him now!" Every movie has those. Some decisions are made to move the plot forward, and aren't scrutinized in such extensive detail that they can escape all criticism. Even the most well thought out movies like Chinatown have those.

 

[Khev]

No more odd than the idea that Winter Soldier sees Fury escaping into a hole in the ground and decides, "damn. Can't get him now!" Every movie has those. Some decisions are made to move the plot forward, and aren't scrutinized in such extensive detail that they can escape all criticism. Even the most well thought out movies like Chinatown have those.

I'd say the Nick Fury escape and things like the WS walking slowly toward him instead of just firing a grenade into the open window of his upturned SUV are just stylistic "action movie cliches" that you just kind of have to go with. It creates some cool little cat and mouse moments but since the WS caught up with Fury a few scenes later I thought it was pretty easy to swallow.

On another note I was actually watching Chinatown the other night. It would have been so awesome if we could have somehow gotten THAT Jack as the Joker and not the 15 years older version.

 

[karamazov80]

Exactly, you just go with it, because it's for the good of enjoying the film. Just like Terminator being a huge bodybuilder makes very little logical sense, but you roll with it. Glad you came around on this one, Khev

 

[Khev]

Well we're having two different conversations then.

You were acting like the Magneto capture was this totally plausible thing, not something totally far fetched based on the character's capabilities. If you now want to concede that it was indeed a huge stretch then yes, I will concede that other movies, even great ones, also have moments like that. Sweet, we're good. Closing the thread now.

 

[DiFabio]

We can all agree that X-Men DOFP is a fantastic film . . . except for the JFK assassination subplot.

The breakout sequence with Quicksilver is one of my favorite parts of the film. My only quibble is that Magneto is in there because of JFK. Made no sense. I also had an issue with the film ending on "Stryker Mystique". That was ****ing dumb and an unnecessary "oh snap" twist. One, how and why did Mystique find Logan in the river? What does she care? Two, the film was *this* close to making sense with the future (even though in X2, it's implied Stryker and Logan go way back). Mystique had pretty much the whole plot of the story revolving around her, did she really need to be involved with this too? Now things are going to get really weird.

 

[pturtle]

I don't see how it's a stretch, we're given a vague explanation on what actually happened.

We can all agree that X-Men DOFP is a fantastic film . . . except for the JFK assassination subplot.

The breakout sequence with Quicksilver is one of my favorite parts of the film. My only quibble is that Magneto is in there because of JFK. Made no sense. I also had an issue with the film ending on "Stryker Mystique". That was ****ing dumb and an unnecessary "oh snap" twist. One, how and why did Mystique find Logan in the river? What does she care? Two, the film was *this* close to making sense with the future (even though in X2, it's implied Stryker and Logan go way back). Mystique had pretty much the whole plot of the story revolving around her, did she really need to be involved with this too? Now things are going to get really weird.

Obviously they need find away to keep Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique relevant. I have no clue where they plan on going with that, but I'm sure it because she needs to have a big enough role to bring her die hard fan base over to watch Apocalypse.

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[Khev]

Quicksilver Pentagon scene was awesome.

 

[karamazov80]

Well we're having two different conversations then.

You were acting like the Magneto capture was this totally plausible thing, not something totally far fetched based on the character's capabilities. If you now want to concede that it was indeed a huge stretch then yes, I will concede that other movies, even great ones, also have moments like that. Sweet, we're good. Closing the thread now.

I think it's totally possible, though maybe unlikely (though as turtle says, we don't have context--if Mags was really unprepared, and trying to act at a moment's notice, it's easier to see him being blind-sided than if he had time to fully plan for what was going to happen). Unlike the WS thing, which has no real explanation whatsoever.

 

[GasparZizou]

Ehhhh you may think the JFK inclusion was distasteful, but it does make sense.

 

[Khev]

WS is claustrophobic. And afraid of rats. I thought that was common knowledge.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't see how it's a stretch, we're given a vague explanation on what actually happened.

We've seen him lift submarines, hundreds of missiles, bend a satellite, control a single bullet into a cop's head (whilst controling dozens of guns), move the golden gate bridge, move an entire stadium, reprogram sentinels with some train tracks, and throw people around with relative ease . . . .


Yet, he not only failed saving JFK in the "bent bullet" scenario at the grassy knoll (oh what, was the bullet too fast for him?) but was also captured by the government? It's a stretch. There are much better alternatives to get him imprisoned under the pentagon.

 

[GasparZizou]

We've also seen him loose concentration very easily....

 

[karamazov80]

He is also known to make bad decisions from time to time.

 

[DiFabio]

We've also seen him loose concentration very easily....

That was before Xavier opened his mind, Quato style.

 

[pturtle]

We've seen him lift submarines, hundreds of missiles, bend a satellite, control a single bullet into a cop's head (whilst controling dozens of guns), move the golden gate bridge, move an entire stadium, reprogram sentinels with some train tracks, and throw people around with relative ease . . . .


Yet, he not only failed saving JFK in the "bent bullet" scenario at the grassy knoll, but was also captured by the government? It's a stretch. There would have been much better alternatives to get inprisoned under the pentagon.

I'm sure he didn't know who the shooter was, or even if there would be a shooter, catching a bullet out of nowhere split second seems pretty tough, especially not knowing it even was coming, also there was a huge crowd with a lot of distracting stuff going on, and like I said before, he seemed to admire JFK, for all we know he could have been distracted by the presidents death, giving them an opportunity to neutralize Mags.

Anything could have happened really, leaving it a bit ambiguous works for me.

Also something similar happened later on in the movie, when he tried to kill Mystique, he shoots the gun while getting speared by Beast and curves the bullet, I'm sure he was aiming to kill but the bullet instead hits her calf.

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[DiFabio]

I don't know, if he really wanted to kill her, he could have ripped the bullet out of her leg and sent it through her head. Magneto is OP, he literally sent a coin through a guy's head with little momentum. Based on all the things he can do, saving a mutant Preaident shouldn't be a problem. Sounds to me like he curved it well enough.

We can nit pick the logic of it, but I'd rather not. Point is, JFK and the assassination shouldn't have been involved. Mystique and Magneto were clearly doing "brotherhood" mission stuff between First Class and the death of Kennedy. Why not just state he got captured during one of those missions? Mystique almost got busted at the military camp and she DID get busted after killing Trask. Hell, you have Trask there too, a guy that takes these mutants and experiments on them. Maybe have him involved in the capture of Magneto and he was held in the Pentagon? The reasons are endless and would have served their purpose on the plane trip.

 

[karamazov80]

Why not just state he got captured during one of those missions?

Because the JFK thing is "cool."