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No it doesn't. What it proves is that living up to the highest human potential is not automatic. There is no instinct for it and it takes determined effort to be something better than the slime that participate in that kind of pornography.

I get your point.

However, I strongly believe our upbringing, morals and values is an instinct that we have which makes our behaviour automatic to a large extent, with regards to the way we conduct ourselves in society. My conscious is actually my "determined effort" to be good, if not better, constantly.

For lack of better words and articulation, I can't really put forward what I meant (or feel) when I see and hear about the 'lesser' beings and their acts, which is not just restricted to pornography. Also do not want to "include the best among us in the same category as the lowest". Just that the inevitable coexistence with people having low standards actually is saddening. Hence, my statement.
 
I get your point.

However, I strongly believe our upbringing, morals and values is an instinct that we have which makes our behaviour automatic to a large extent, with regards to the way we conduct ourselves in society. My conscious is actually my "determined effort" to be good, if not better, constantly.

For lack of better words and articulation, I can't really put forward what I meant (or feel) when I see and hear about the 'lesser' beings and their acts, which is not just restricted to pornography. Also do not want to "include the best among us in the same category as the lowest". Just that the inevitable coexistence with people having low standards actually is saddening. Hence, my statement.

I agree. I think many of the emotions and feelings these guys are saying are distinctly human are more instinct than any kind of decisive decision. Love is a prime example. Pain is another.
 
Instinct is a behavior...love is an emotion. By definition love can not be an instinct. The behaviors associated with love can be argued to be instinctive, though I would aregue that they are not as the differ from region-to-region and are not common among all humans. And you can not use sex as a point of argument because sex and love are only related by human choice.
 
Instinct is a behavior...love is an emotion. By definition love can not be an instinct. The behaviors associated with love can be argued to be instinctive, though I would aregue that they are not as the differ from region-to-region and are not common among all humans. And you can not use sex as a point of argument because sex and love are only related by human choice.

Love is just a word for certain types of instinctual behavior.
 
This is a funny story.

Man Almost Shot Over A Fart?

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I have tried to understand life according to Maslow's hierarchy theory, and believe our needs are driven by our instincts.

Our needs are manifestation of our instincts, aren't they?


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Human beings don't have instinct.

That's why you leave your hand on a boiling pot when it's burning and also why a mother doesn't instinctively braces her arm across a child sitting in the passenger seat when having to break heavily. It's why we all stare at the sun until it burns our retinas and why we don't eat when we're hungry, don't dress warmer in the cold, don't sleep when our body can't stay awake anymore, etc.
 
Our needs are manifestation of our instincts, aren't they?

Needs are facts of reality, which if not fulfilled, result in the death of the organism. Instinct is an automatic form of knowledge that guides action, such that life is the consequence. The instinct is a response developed according to the requirements of staying alive.

Not all forms of knowledge are automatic. Human knowledge is most definitively characterized by the possession of free will. The ability to consciously, purposefully guide one's actions negates any and all hard wired responses residual from the organism's ancestry. Instinct and choice are opposites, and mutually exclusive. An action cannot be forced and chosen, at the same time, and/or in the same respect.

Ask yourself if you could survive without thinking, and if you could think without making decisions. If you had survival instincts, you wouldn't have to.

That's why you leave your hand on a boiling pot when it's burning and also why a mother doesn't instinctively braces her arm across a child sitting in the passenger seat when having to break heavily. It's why we all stare at the sun until it burns our retinas and why we don't eat when we're hungry, don't dress warmer in the cold, don't sleep when our body can't stay awake anymore, etc.

If you think you can survive by rote physical sensations of pain and pleasure, I would like to see that. No concepts. No words. No numbers. No categorization. No logical analysis. No questions. Just what feels good, and what feels bad.

The knowledge of how to deal with raw sensation is not provided for human beings. They have to discover it for the first time, or they have to learn it from someone who already knows. In adults, human reflex is based on knowledge learned by choice. Kids are a lot closer to the sensory-perceptual level, but they can't stay there if they want to live to be adults. They still at no point have to learn or have to value what's good for them. If they try to live off their emotions, their physical sensations, and their whims, before you know it there will be entire generations incapable of supporting their own lives, or taking responsibility for their actions.

You don't see that in even the most intelligent animals. It's because even the most sophisticated sensory-perceptual consciousnesses on the planet don't have to think. They can't ____ up. So, they don't. Instinct is an automatic knowledge of survival, and we don't have it.
 
You don't see that in even the most intelligent animals. It's because even the most sophisticated sensory-perceptual consciousnesses on the planet don't have to think. They can't ____ up. So, they don't. Instinct is an automatic knowledge of survival, and we don't have it.

Then explain to me why a mother's breast drips at the sound of her baby crying? Every living thing on earth has instinct hardwired into it's DNA. Trees naturally lean toward the sun, bugs play dead, etc., for the same reason. So I'm not sure if you're use of "instinct" is the right terminology for the point you're trying to make.
 
Do you have to be conscious to have a heartbeat? Or for cell metabolism to occur? Or to react visually to light, and aurally to soundwaves?
 
Do you have to be conscious to have a heartbeat? Or for cell metabolism to occur?

Not behavioral though. :nono

Or to react visually to light, and aurally to soundwaves?

For an iris to flex/contract or the ossicles to vibrate, no. But shutting your eyes and looking away from bright light, or turning toward a sound, that's instinctual behavior.
 
It's not instinct because you can choose to not look away, and burn your cornea. Pain is automatic, but it's not a behavior and the responses attendant to it are not hardwired.

What I'm wondering is how a person is supposed to survie using nothing but their reflexes. Suckling and gagging are no more behavioral than respiration, and they aren't enough to keep you alive beyond the immediate moment.

Survival knowledge in humans is not instinctual.
 
It's not instinct because you can choose to not look away, and burn your cornea. Pain is automatic, but it's not a behavior and the responses attendant to it are not hardwired.

What I'm wondering is how a person is supposed to survie using nothing but their reflexes. Suckling and gagging are no more behavioral than respiration, and they aren't enough to keep you alive beyond the immediate moment.

Survival knowledge in humans is not instinctual.

Neither is it for many animals. Your point?
 
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