Zack Snyder's Justice League - what's your wish list?

[matticus]

To be fair, the majority of they public response was favorable. It has a 62% audience score on RT, got a B audience rating from cinema score, and made crap tons of money at the box office. People liked it.

A movie with Batman and Superman should easily make a billion. I am not all about box office = quality, but BvS should've been a slam dunk. But also Disney caters and honestly pays off reviewers, so no one should think that is a fair opinion to judge from. The general public clearly likes some humor with the superhero genre, although you don't need to overwhelm them with it. Snyder is really the graphic novel territory, although very appealing to me, is not a big box office achiever. Plus, a 62% is still a failing grade lol.

 

[ironwez20]

It should have made a billion. Like I said in the other thread. It?s crazy how people were more excited for cap and iron man fighting than two of the most iconic heroes of all time. But I think it all boils down to WB and hiring a dude that just isn?t qualified to handle a universe.

 

[ArtDamage]

I'll just say along with box office, "majority of public response " is not a barometer for a good film either. Plenty of films are disliked at box office only to later be considered classics (i.e. blade runner). Not to say that somewhere down the line BVS will be viewed as the greatest film of all time or anything, but it certainly isn't as bad as people make it out to be imo.

Anyways, totally down for some more Justice League figures, but doubt we'll see them. My wager would be reissue knightmare bats and black suit supes at most.

 

[GhostBeard]

It should have made a billion. Like I said in the other thread. It?s crazy how people were more excited for cap and iron man fighting than two of the most iconic heroes of all time. But I think it all boils down to WB and hiring a dude that just isn?t qualified to handle a universe.

You're spot on with that observation. The difference is that people were excited for THIS Cap and Iron Man, characters and actors they've grown to love and support, it was all in the handling of the material. There was no investment in THIS Superman and Batman because they were aping the Marvel model and tried to do what took Marvel years to build in two movies. The vast majority of the viewing public just want a comic book movie to be fun. Snyder went for dark to appease the comic book readers and it cost DC/WB. My opinion, your mileage may vary.

While a Black Suit Supes could be fun, there's nothing from this flick I'd spend money on. I've got the Aquaman I wanted already.

 

[RulerOfAsgard]

You're spot on with that observation. The difference is that people were excited for THIS Cap and Iron Man, characters and actors they've grown to love and support, it was all in the handling of the material. There was no investment in THIS Superman and Batman because they were aping the Marvel model and tried to do what took Marvel years to build in two movies. The vast majority of the viewing public just want a comic book movie to be fun. Snyder went for dark to appease the comic book readers and it cost DC/WB. My opinion, your mileage may vary.

While a Black Suit Supes could be fun, there's nothing from this flick I'd spend money on. I've got the Aquaman I wanted already.

You're right. It should have been called BvS Rush to the Justice League. Marvel spent years building an audience for each character before Avengers. I'm certain whatever we get with the snyder cut will be better than Josstice League but ultimately Snyder's not a good director and can't tell a story. He's still dissecting BvS years after release. If you have to keep explaining your film for years then it's probably not a good film. His best movie was a direct adaptation of the 300 comic book so the story was already written. He can a film look pretty but that's about it. The franchise would have been better in different hands and snyder involved as a cinematographer at best.

 

[Turtle882]

A 62% audience score on RT is nothing to write home about. As for box office, a quick check shows that it comes in 68th place domestically (behind 21 other comic book movies) and 71st place in worldwide box office (still behind 15 of those other CBMs). Definitely not even close to what WB was expecting from a movie starring DC's 3 greatest heroes. Yes a lot of people liked it, but nowhere near enough to call it a success.

I'm not saying it was a success (although I enjoyed it immensely). Matticus said "the fact is the majority of the public response was unfavorable" and I don't think the numbers support that. Obviously box office numbers show many more successful films. And many, many more less successful films. Point is, a lot of people saw it, and a majority of those people liked it.

 

[Turtle882]

Plus, a 62% is still a failing grade lol.

It might be a failing grade in school, but 62% is a majority.

 

[Bleah]

It might be a failing grade in school, but 62% is a majority.

62% in RT is not really representative of the majority since we don't have data of those that don't rate the movie on said site.

Anyway, I hope this Snydercut really is better and gets the DCEU out of the dumps. I think if this fails, the DCEU will have a bleak future.

 

[matticus]

It might be a failing grade in school, but 62% is a majority.

According to what? Rotten Tomatoes? The WORST MCU movie by far is Ant-Man and the Wasp. They have it as 87% reviewers and 75% audience score. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Better than Cap1? Thor2 has a 75% audience score. No one believes that. And Captain Marvel, while Brie was a piece of cardboard, the movie is not 42%. That's more to do with outside the movie, not the movie itself. JL is better than BVS? No way.

 

[ironwez20]

You're spot on with that observation. The difference is that people were excited for THIS Cap and Iron Man, characters and actors they've grown to love and support, it was all in the handling of the material. There was no investment in THIS Superman and Batman because they were aping the Marvel model and tried to do what took Marvel years to build in two movies. The vast majority of the viewing public just want a comic book movie to be fun. Snyder went for dark to appease the comic book readers and it cost DC/WB. My opinion, your mileage may vary.

While a Black Suit Supes could be fun, there's nothing from this flick I'd spend money on. I've got the Aquaman I wanted already.

Sadly yes. And I truly believe with enough time and planning the DC universe could have been better or just as good as marvel . They didn?t need to worry about violence and they had all the characters. Well now marvel has most of its heavy hitters back

 

[Johnny1378]

My lists...

What I?d like to see:

Darkseid
Parademon
Steppenwolf
Cyborg
Knightmare Batman Re-release
Letoker
Deathstroke
Martian Manhunter
Black Suit Superman

What we?ll probably get:

Black Suit Superman

 

[Rbeato]

My lists...

What I?d like to see:

Darkseid
Parademon
Steppenwolf
Cyborg
Knightmare Batman Re-release
Letoker
Deathstroke
Martian Manhunter
Black Suit Superman

What we?ll probably get:

Black Suit Superman

For sure black suit Supes and I?m certain Knightmare Batman reissue. HT won?t pass up that opportunity to sell more of those considering the secondary market price

 

[Johnny1378]

For sure black suit Supes and I?m certain Knightmare Batman reissue. HT won?t pass up that opportunity to sell more of those considering the secondary market price

Yeah, you?re probably right about Knightmare Batman too. It would be the easiest one, really since it wouldn?t require anything other than a new Justice League box. I think a lot of people would be pretty happy about that too, as the prices for it on eBay and elsewhere are pretty high, currently.

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

 

[Bocephus Jones]

But at least Superman's face isn't *****ed

 

[RulerOfAsgard]

Haha, that video hits the nail on the head. I hate to say it but it may not be much better. Snyder's better off cutting trailers rather than telling a cohesive story

 

[ArtDamage]

Haha, that video hits the nail on the head. I hate to say it but it may not be much better. Snyder's better off cutting trailers rather than telling a cohesive story

Ultimate edition was a great deal more cohesive than the theatrical cut and that was a 30 mins difference. This is a couple hours difference. Not saying it will make justice league into citizen Kane, but it will likely be miles better than what we got.

 

[RulerOfAsgard]

Ultimate edition was a great deal more cohesive than the theatrical cut and that was a 30 mins difference. This is a couple hours difference. Not saying it will make justice league into citizen Kane, but it will likely be miles better than what we got.

Maybe, but I still can't forgive him for casting Eisenberg as Lex. Even if he played it more seriously, he just doesn't have it. Totally ruined BvS for me lol

 

[ArtDamage]

Maybe, but I still can't forgive him for casting Eisenberg as Lex. Even if he played it more seriously, he just doesn't have it. Totally ruined BvS for me lol

Then maybe snyder dceu just isn't for you and a new cut is pointless for you anyways I can definitely see how he was for from traditional Luther, but I thought the performance itself was pretty well done.

Seems a little late in the game for misgivings now.

 

[Gipetto0812]

Even as a Snyder fan myself, the problem with his style of movie making for the general audience and the studio IMO, is that he has trouble making a 2hr or less movie; he needs more than that and studios don't tend to go for it until after the fact with the home release. Look how many extra cuts Watchmen got after it was released in theaters. Sucker Punch was also better with the extended cut IMO as well as BvS Ultimate Edition. And even then, I think there's more to BvS that we haven't actually seen, it's just the maximum amount the studio would allow even for a home release. Again, this is from someone who likes his movies and understands them just fine when I watch them, but his extended cuts are always better IMO. I think as along as the movie is engaging enough, it shouldn't matter how long it is (to a certain extent of course). Endgame is exactly 3hrs I believe and to me, it never feels like a 3hr movie. Same with the Harry Potter movies and LOTR. However, there are some long movies that feel really long with me checking my watch wondering when it's going to get to the point. Some movies need the fat cut, but I think Snyder needs about every minute they'll give him to tell the story he's trying to tell more successfully rather than being crammed into a max 2hr time slot.