Zack Snyder's Justice League

[TheDucky]

the party is over folks

the # 1 head of all of wb just announced today via variety that no more snyderverse and no ayer cut of ss!

They were happy to have given snyder his chance to complete his vision and right the wrongs but no more movies they want to go in new territories with the jl.

She was specifically asked about restoring the snyderverse campaign and the answer was no!

It is officially over.

Also it is being reported that keaton and affleck might drop out of the flash movie now, rumors only though.

Yikes!

woooooooooooooooooooooooo

lets goooooooo

its dead baby woooooooooooo

ducky is a free elf!!!!!!!

 

[Wor-Gar]

The thing is, now that Snyder has this success and vindication

I'm curious -- how is this a success? I mean, is it based on weekend downloads? If so, how many were there?

 

[Rainpaulo]

I'm curious -- how is this a success? I mean, is it based on weekend downloads? If so, how many were there?

It's a success I'd imagine based on the very positive reviews. And probably being one of the best comic book movie ever released.

 

[jye4ever]

It's a success I'd imagine based on the very positive reviews. And probably being one of the best comic book movie ever released.

 

[The Buffinator]

I'm curious -- how is this a success? I mean, is it based on weekend downloads? If so, how many were there?

Good question. I think it's all relative. It could be it's had the highest viewership of any NEW movie release on HBO Max, but given they're still in their streaming infancy that's not saying much. I'd be willing to bet that the numbers for Godzilla vs. Kong will blow this out of the water,

p.s. - I already miss your chant lol...

 

[The Buffinator]

It's a success I'd imagine based on the very positive reviews. And probably being one of the best comic book movie ever released.

...said absolutely no one except you.

 

[jye4ever]

...said absolutely no one except you.

How is being the best at all related to financial success lol

Enterbay released the best Terminator figure and they went broke lol

 

[ajp4mgs]

The decision makers at WB are making the geniuses who have been pushing the High Republic at LucasFilm look like actual freakin? geniuses.

When it comes to DC, WB just make the wrong decision at every turn it?s so laughable. The MCU is getting stale and the Snyder Cut of Justice League was refreshingly different. They even finally have some good will and fan support towards their shared universe property (not to mention fairly favourable reviews from the critics) and they want to jettison it all and for what?! More brilliant ideas like a Zantana solo movie (as if birds of prey wasn?t enough of a lesson), race bending superman (to capture that black panther monies when black Adam is literally already in the pipeline) and the JJ Verse (he really is the galactus for popular IPs, mines anything good and creative out of them until only a shiny vacuous shell is left in its place).

For the first time in years I was actually excited about DC on film again and wanted to see more. Why does Hollywood hate making movies that the fans want to see, these hacks are so out of touch.

The incompetence of Warner Media is astounding. It's almost like they can't even do simple analysis. Here's some of the relevant context:

• The subsriber base of HBO Max is *less than half* of that of Disney+ (40M vs. 100M)
• The general audience probably perceives that Snyder Cut was going to be just an extended version of the underwhelming theatrical release
• The runtime of Snyder Cut is 4 ****ing hours!
• The Snyder Cut was released within a day of the MCU's debuting Falcon & Winter Soldier on Disney+
• The MCU is the undisputed reigning champion of cinematic popularity and interest

Given that context, there's no way that viewership for the Snyder Cut should be anywhere near that of the Disney+ debut show from the most popular cinematic property, and on a platform with more than DOUBLE the audience. But the viewership for Snyder Cut has actually been estimated to have *exceeded* the debut of F&WS.

Warner caved on letting Snyder have his cut released because demand from Snyder loyalists was significant enough in size and scope. Then it actually gets critical praise upon release. And the loyalist audience showed up in large numbers. So how does Warner follow up on all this? By saying, "Nah, we're ending it."

I'm curious -- how is this a success? I mean, is it based on weekend downloads? If so, how many were there?

https://heroichollywood.com/justice-league-falcon-winter-soldier-views/

 

[GaryPool]

The incompetence of Warner Media is astounding. It's almost like they can't even do simple analysis. Here's some of the relevant context:

• The subsriber base of HBO Max is *less than half* of that of Disney+ (40M vs. 100M)
• The general audience probably perceives that Snyder Cut was going to be just an extended version of the underwhelming theatrical release
• The runtime of Snyder Cut is 4 ****ing hours!
• The Snyder Cut was released within a day of the MCU's debuting Falcon & Winter Soldier on Disney+
• The MCU is the undisputed reigning champion of cinematic popularity and interest

Given that context, there's no way that viewership for the Snyder Cut should be anywhere near that of the Disney+ debut show from the most popular cinematic property, and on a platform with more than DOUBLE the audience. But the viewership for Snyder Cut has actually been estimated to have *exceeded* the debut of F&WS.

Warner caved on letting Snyder have his cut released because demand from Snyder loyalists was significant enough in size and scope. Then it actually gets critical praise upon release. And the loyalist audience showed up in large numbers. So how does Warner follow up on all this? By saying, "Nah, we're ending it."



https://heroichollywood.com/justice-league-falcon-winter-soldier-views/

That's actually very impressive considering viewing figures would just be from HBO Max (unless I've misread, it's not counting NOWTV/Sky or other international viewing platforms), and that Disney+ has the bigger built in customer base.

 

[Rainpaulo]

...said absolutely no one except you.

And that's ok

 

[jye4ever]

The incompetence of Warner Media is astounding. It's almost like they can't even do simple analysis. Here's some of the relevant context:

• The subsriber base of HBO Max is *less than half* of that of Disney+ (40M vs. 100M)
• The general audience probably perceives that Snyder Cut was going to be just an extended version of the underwhelming theatrical release
• The runtime of Snyder Cut is 4 ****ing hours!
• The Snyder Cut was released within a day of the MCU's debuting Falcon & Winter Soldier on Disney+
• The MCU is the undisputed reigning champion of cinematic popularity and interest

Given that context, there's no way that viewership for the Snyder Cut should be anywhere near that of the Disney+ debut show from the most popular cinematic property, and on a platform with more than DOUBLE the audience. But the viewership for Snyder Cut has actually been estimated to have *exceeded* the debut of F&WS.

Warner caved on letting Snyder have his cut released because demand from Snyder loyalists was significant enough in size and scope. Then it actually gets critical praise upon release. And the loyalist audience showed up in large numbers. So how does Warner follow up on all this? By saying, "Nah, we're ending it."



https://heroichollywood.com/justice-league-falcon-winter-soldier-views/

They are ******** lol

I?m starting to think that the Chuck Rovin rumor is legit why else would they go in this direction

 

[Jmek]

...said absolutely no one except you.

I'm with him on that one, it's definitely one of the best comic book movies yet released.

 

[TheDucky]

People bash me for liking the PT, but I was always realistic. I’m not delusional to call them the best Sci-Fi movies ever released. No one ever gave me credit for it. But wow after seeing this comments about a solid C- to D+ movie... I mean WOW

Snyder fans sure are something else.

Do you guys think fine dining is McDonalds? Good chocolate is a Hershey’s bar? Best beer is Miller Lite?

It is absolutely astounding. It actually boggles my mind more than people liking the ST, but even then, they never even claimed those were the best Sci-Fi movies!

“But it’s like a comic book!”

Damn I guess if they only put Parts 1-6 in front of every Marvel movie those would be great too

 

[GaryPool]

People bash me for liking the PT, but I was always realistic. I’m not delusional to call them the best Sci-Fi movies ever released. No one ever gave me credit for it. But wow after seeing this comments about a solid C- to D+ movie... I mean WOW

Snyder fans sure are something else.

Do you guys think fine dining is McDonalds? Good chocolate is a Hershey’s bar? Best beer is Miller Lite?

It is absolutely astounding. It actually boggles my mind more than people liking the ST, but even then, they never even claimed those were the best Sci-Fi movies!

“But it’s like a comic book!”

Damn I guess if they only put Parts 1-6 in front of every Marvel movie those would be great too

TheDucky's daily reminder that he hates Zack Snyder's DC and no one else is allowed to like it or give high praise.

Stay tuned for tomorrow's daily reminder... of exactly the same thing! You here all week Ducky?

 

[Wor-Gar]

https://heroichollywood.com/justice-league-falcon-winter-soldier-views/

So... 1.8 million views equals success. This will be a good measuring tool for the future. Lets see how this changes over time.

Amortize the cost of HBOMax per person for everything that person gets a month, and the actual revenue is quite small. Since advertising is not a factor, I still don't understand the financial model. Streaming services need constant expansion to show profits like anything else, but man companies need to produce a lot of product for the $15/month per person. Less than the price of a movie ticket. Either content is going to get cheap, or services will be charging A LOT more in the very near future.

I wonder how many NEW subscribers were brought in for Zach's little world? That would be the only genuine way to measure true success.

 

[TheDucky]

TheDucky's daily reminder that he hates Zack Snyder's DC and no one else is allowed to like it or give high praise.

Stay tuned for tomorrow's daily reminder... of exactly the same thing! You here all week Ducky?

Where were you for the discussion on the movie? You told me you wanted to have a discussion but all I see is you slobbering this movie up.

 

[jye4ever]

So... 1.8 million views equals success. This will be a good measuring tool for the future. Lets see how this changes over time.

Amortize the cost of HBOMax per person for everything that person gets a month, and the actual revenue is quite small. Since advertising is not a factor, I still don't understand the financial model. Streaming services need constant expansion to show profits like anything else, but man companies need to produce a lot of product for the $15/month per person. Less than the price of a movie ticket. Either content is going to get cheap, or services will be charging A LOT more in the very near future.

I wonder how many NEW subscribers were brought in for Zach's little world? That would be the only genuine way to measure true success.

Even if 2 million views x $15 = $30 million

I doubt every view payed $15

The movie with double reshoots cost 470 million

It made 658 million box office.

No bueno lol

 

[GaryPool]

Where were you for the discussion on the movie? You told me you wanted to have a discussion but all I see is you slobbering this movie up.

To be fair I don't think there's any worth in discussing it with you.

That you sound like a broken record in how much you hate it says as much for me, not because you dislike it, but because you just want everyone to know constantly how much you dislike it and belittle it in any way that you can.

I came into this thread a little hot out of the gates at Ironwebs I've realised, because it was annoying me how much unbridled hate it was getting over the years on other sites I read but didn't join in (soz mate), and then brought that with me on here, in which I was an ***. I've lightened up my viewing on how others joke around with it on here to not take it so seriously and not conflate other toxic sites with the community in these threads. I don't know, maybe you've the opposite - but even the discussion you had you phrase things in such a hateful way and it reads like you want to actively hate everything to do with it instead of it just not jiving well with you and then discussing why.

I really love the film and the universe, I know others don't, I came here wanting to share in my excitement for it coming out and finally getting more of what I loved with other like-minded freaks, obviously there'll be others who like discussing why they don't like it so much or just middle-of-the-road with it. But you're so hellbent on just slating it and slagging it off over and over which just comes across as pissing in others cereal.

Your discussion even came across as prodding, so no, I'd rather not discuss it with you.

 

[ajp4mgs]

So... 1.8 million views equals success. This will be a good measuring tool for the future. Lets see how this changes over time.

Keep in mind that the 1.8M viewers for "opening weekend" was for a director's cut of a movie that already had a theatrical release in 2017. Most normies aren't in the know about just how different the Snyder Cut is. So there wouldn't be mass general audience demand for a 4-hour cut of a movie they didn't originally care for.

This isn't anything like WW84, which was a *brand new* follow-up to a movie that had been much better received. If both the Snyder Cut and WW84 were released exclusively in theaters, WW84 would've doubled or tripled the ZSJL opening weekend box office revenue, no matter how awful WW84 ended up being.

Snyder Cut getting more debut views on HBO Max (40M subscribers) than F&WS on Disney+ (100M) is an unqualified success in my book. Particularly because of the context about "newness" versus revised, and the overwhelming popularity of the MCU.

And as GaryPool noted, we're still not sure if that 1.8M number includes European and other markets watching from a platform other than HBO Max.

Amortize the cost of HBOMax per person for everything that person gets a month, and the actual revenue is quite small. Since advertising is not a factor, I still don't understand the financial model. Streaming services need constant expansion to show profits like anything else, but man companies need to produce a lot of product for the $15/month per person. Less than the price of a movie ticket. Either content is going to get cheap, or services will be charging A LOT more in the very near future.

The streaming industry will be seeing lots of changes. Licensing, ad revenue, subscriber costs and terms . . . these will all be changing as it officially takes over as the dominant media delivery system.

I wonder how many NEW subscribers were brought in for Zach's little world? That would be the only genuine way to measure true success.

Gonna be tough to truly gauge that number, though. When Warner provides future subscriber numbers, it's gonna be a bit complicated to parse out how many signed up for ZSJL and then cancelled almost immediately thereafter. I don't think I'm the only one who is doing that.

There was going to be some level of continued subscriber growth for the HBO Max platform regardless. How much has the upcoming Godzilla movie added in the same period? How about other upcoming original content? It's tough to separate with any level of certainty.

 

[darth dennis]

Even if 2 million views x $15 = $30 million

I doubt every view payed $15

The movie with double reshoots cost 470 million

It made 658 million box office.

No bueno lol

Yeah, I for one already had HBO Max and would probably not have signed up for the service just for the Snyder cut. Probably would've waited for the Blu-Ray release to be on Redbox or something. Streaming services are a very interesting model. I pretty much have all the big ones because my wife is home all day and love binge watching stuff. If they start getting over ~$15 per month each, we'll have to start making harder choices...