Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[Wor-Gar]

Jesus, I don't remember A Bug's Life. Was it really a Samurai 7 too? That's right, I guess that mean bug wanted to come back and eat all the good bug's food.

 

[TheBatman]

Pretty much. Bad bug will come back when the last leaf falls. Ant travels to recruit other bugs to help fight them when they come back.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I forgot all about that. Get it mixed up with Antz.

 

[T8OO]

Watched this again yesterday but with the wife and the 3 kids. I liked it more on the second watch. Feels a bit rushed but still a good ride. I'm hoping the extended cut fleshes it out. For all the things it copies/homages, there are still some original ideas in there or maybe I just have seen them elsewhere.

I'm even more convinced the hate for it and "it's the worst movie" is pure bias.

 

[jye4ever]

ZS should’ve hired Gina Carano for Kora.

 

[jye4ever]

What I would love to see happen is that the Jedi character really is Kora and not the princess.

When the princess gives life to the bird it wasn’t coming from her own power it was emanating from Kora’s proximity to her.

 

[T8OO]

What I would love to see happen is that the Jedi character really is Kora and not the princess.

When the princess gives life to the bird it wasn’t coming from her own power it was emanating from Kora’s proximity to her.

I was also hoping Noble would come back in some sort of suit Vader/Kylo style

 

[Dave_W]

What I would love to see happen is that the Jedi character really is Kora and not the princess.

When the princess gives life to the bird it wasn’t coming from her own power it was emanating from Kora’s proximity to her.

So you want the farm(tom)boy to have Jedi powers?

 

[jye4ever]

I was also hoping Noble would come back in some sort of suit Vader/Kylo style

Oh god yes that must happen.

 

[jye4ever]

So you want the farm(tom)boy to have Jedi powers?

Well someone has to be magical in this it might as well be algerian Daisy Ridley.

 

[Alatar]

Makes complete sense. You all should bath together like the Spartans in 300.

 

[jye4ever]

There is no reason to get all overly critical over what is supposed to be a goofy 80’s sci-fi fantasy romp.

Once the T&A and gore are inserted i’m sure it will be appreciated for what it is and not hated for what it isn’t.

I have huge respect for ZS passion for his livelihood the dude is super dedicated to his art which buys him some forgiveness.

 

[ironwez20]

Watched this again yesterday but with the wife and the 3 kids. I liked it more on the second watch. Feels a bit rushed but still a good ride. I'm hoping the extended cut fleshes it out. For all the things it copies/homages, there are still some original ideas in there or maybe I just have seen them elsewhere.

I'm even more convinced the hate for it and "it's the worst movie" is pure bias.

See why do you say stuff like that? The hate is pure bias. People can’t like a movie now? People hated antman 3 this yr. That’s fine but people thinking this movie sucks is bias? Come on . Maybe it’s just a bad film?

 

[Alatar]

There is no reason to get all overly critical over what is supposed to be a goofy 80’s sci-fi fantasy romp.

Once the T&A and gore are inserted i’m sure it will be appreciated for what it is and not hated for what it isn’t.

I have huge respect for ZS passion for his livelihood the dude is super dedicated to his art

Much of the inspiration for the "space opera" genre that Star Wars in 1977 made massively popular as never before is in fact B movies. For Star Wars George Lucas originally wanted to make an updated version of Flash Gordon, which as we know was a comic strip based on sci-fi pulp comics. And then a pulp serial in the 30s with Buster Crab. From among the influences he said that he drew upon to make ANH, many are "pulp."

What was innovative about what Lucas did... one of several things anyway... was to ground all that in a much more realistic style of storytelling, so that it felt as though the sci-fi elements could actually exist in real life. Particularly in terms of special effects. But again, the source material (some of it, not all, but much of it) of comic strips, comic books, pulp fiction, and movie serials in the early history of cinema use obvious representations of things that exist purely in fantasy. In 1977 Star Wars made it feel like you yourself could leave the theater, hop into your X-wing and fly to another world. It made it feel remarkable as it should. But it also normalized it. Similar, I suppose, to the way Tolkien's LotR makes the reader feels as though all those fantasy elements could exist in physical reality, not just in one's imagination. Like he was documenting a place that actually existed somewhere in real life.

Anyway, I think Zack Snyder is aiming for some similar sort of synthesis of what is obviously fantastical and what feels like it could be real somewhere "a long time ago in a galaxy far away." And I'm curious to see how it proceeds. I'm down for the ride.

 

[Alatar]

See why do you say stuff like that? The hate is pure bias. People can’t like a movie now? People hated antman 3 this yr. That’s fine but people thinking this movie sucks is bias? Come on . Maybe it’s just a bad film?

What's "bad" to some is good to others, though. There's the rub.

We're having different forms of pareidolia, basically. Seeing radically different shapes in a cloud, and having very different subjective associations about what we see.

That's a fact. One can be upset about that, but it's still a fact.

 

[ironwez20]

What's "bad" to some is good to others, though. There's the rub.

We're having different forms of pareidolia, basically. Seeing radically different shapes in a cloud, and having very different subjective associations about what we see.

That's a fact. One can be upset about that, but it's still a fact.

Yea that’s cool but there is no bias here. People just think it’s a bad film. They have it a shot and didn’t like it. There were tons of bad films this year but this is the one that has the bias behind it? Even the beloved mcu film franchise was met with bad reviews. It’s not bias it’s just most people didn’t enjoy it and that’s fine. Some did enjoy it but there is no bias going on here.

 

[Otomofan]

No use arguing Wez.

Clearly anyone that has anything critical to say about this staggering masterpiece is just lying. They're lying to us and lying to themselves. The ONLY reason anyone could dislike this movie is cause they hate Zak Snyder.

It's personal. It's all clearly a personal grudge.

So sad that people let their hatred of a man make them miss out on the cinematic experience of a lifetime.

 

[Alatar]

Well someone has to be magical in this it might as well be algerian Daisy Ridley.

The neural link to an astral plane where Noble meets with Balisarius is for the upper class in the Imperium's caste system. And Kora definitely belongs to that caste. Balisarius handpicked and groomed her as his heir and successor! So guaranteed she has the same sort of cybernetic link installed in her skull that Noble has.

What is possible given that neural network and technology may in fact make it possible for people to possess what we would think of as superpowers. Or something along the lines of "peak human" at the very least. In terms of abilities think Ozymandias in Watchmen or "super soldiers" in the MCU. Like human potential plugged into a thousand watts. So presumably much, much more than even just peak human.

 

[Alatar]

Yea that’s cool but there is no bias here. People just think it’s a bad film. They have it a shot and didn’t like it. There were tons of bad films this year but this is the one that has the bias behind it? Even the beloved mcu film franchise was met with bad reviews. It’s not bias it’s just most people didn’t enjoy it and that’s fine. Some did enjoy it but there is no bias going on here.

Well, if by that you mean there's zero groupthink effect... eh, I have to disagree with that on general principles. The same goes for people that love it too, imho. It's naive to think otherwise. It's not conscious and intentional of course. I do get that.

But I will take at face value that you personally experience no conscious hate bias towards it. You're the expert on your own subjective experience, and no one else is.

 

[Alatar]

No use arguing Wez.

Clearly anyone that has anything critical to say about this staggering masterpiece is just lying. They're lying to us and lying to themselves. The ONLY reason anyone could dislike this movie is cause they hate Zak Snyder.

It's personal. It's all clearly a personal grudge.

So sad that people let their hatred of a man make them miss out on the cinematic experience of a lifetime.

No one is actually saying that, though. Not in this thread anyway. I know I'm not. I'm framing it from a personal viewpoint because as a defender I can only speak for myself. What I have to say personally is much more nuanced than that. That take that you just expressed is largely your own narrative for it, I believe.

Edit: allow me to partially correct that. It's not to say that someone out there somewhere on social media isn't expressing what you're describing, though. There probably are folks that feel that way. A bell curve distribution pretty much guarantees that, actually. There will be some that do assert that, sure.

By the same token the bell curve also dictates that there will be people that have a clear hate bias towards Snyder's work.