Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[Wor-Gar]

he had from gigantic script (about 100 pages each for Part 1 and Part 2 respectively).

100 page script is far from 'gigantic' for a 2 hour movie. It is actually on the short side considering all the necessary explanation for sci-fi stuff.

 

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I think/hope that is why the fight in the barn is not as good as we've come to expect from him and his team. It's just been chopped up so much to remove the violence.

Yeah, the guys in that review video I posted above mention that in a PG13 movie, they’re only able to show blood in just one scene for the entire movie. One F-bomb and one bloodletting scene.

 

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100 page script is far from 'gigantic' for a 2 hour movie. It is actually on the short side considering all the necessary explanation for sci-fi stuff.

I might have heard it wrong. Zack joked that it was a “phone book sized script” for what became a two-parter. Maybe it’s actually 200 pages for each movie? I‘ll have to give it another listen.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I might have heard it wrong. Zack joked that it was a “phone book sized script” for what became a two-parter. Maybe it’s actually 200 pages for each movie? I‘ll have to give it another listen.

Must be 200 pages per movie, that would make a lot more sense.

 

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Must be 200 pages per movie, that would make a lot more sense.

I wonder if it might have been 100 pages after it was whittled down to 2 hours?

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wonder if it might have been 100 pages after it was whittled down to 2 hours?

Again, for a 2 hour movie, 100 pages is a little short. There's still a 1 page per minute rule with scripts. So if he did cut a 200 page script down to a 100 page shooting script, then perhaps that's one of the problems with people connecting to the material.

 

[Random_Retard]

I think/hope that is why the fight in the barn is not as good as we've come to expect from him and his team. It's just been chopped up so much to remove the violence.

What bothered me the most about this scene was not that it was chopped up. What really didn't work for me was the rapey Colonel in the back with his gun in hand the whole time and he never even tried to take Kora out. Of course one could argue that they were moving so fast that he was afraid that he could hit one of his own guys. But he really didn't seem like that type of guy to me - rather the exact opposite. So him just standing there in the back with his gun watching the whole scene unfold was what really ruined that fight for me personally.

And worst part of all: it really does seem like an easy fix script-wise...

But maybe that's just me...

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Lol ikr? As the movie is getting absolutely brutalized by everyone else in the thread (which is fair for them to do, I’ve no issue with anyone’s right to do that) we’re doing something inappropriate by standing up for something we appreciate, that we feel has value? We’re somehow in the wrong for that? That’s basically a form of gaslighting, tbh.

 

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Again, for a 2 hour movie, 100 pages is a little short. There's still a 1 page per minute rule with scripts. So if he did cut a 200 page script down to a 100 page shooting script, then perhaps that's one of the problems with people connecting to the material.

Here’s the quote:

“The 200 page script is the one movie or so—we just took the 200 page script and chopped in half.”

 

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What bothered me the most about this scene was not that it was chopped up. What really didn't work for me was the rapey Colonel in the back with his gun in hand the whole time and he never even tried to take Kora out. Of course one could argue that they were moving so fast that he was afraid that he could hit one of his own guys. But he really didn't seem like that type of guy to me - rather the exact opposite. So him just standing there in the back with his gun watching the whole scene unfold was what really ruined that fight for me personally.

And worst part of all: it really does seem like an easy fix script-wise...

But maybe that's just me...

Couldn’t you apply the same standards to almost any action scene, though? How literally believable are they really? Not very.

 

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Do you think you can be receptive to a Heavy Metal, Conan the BarbarIan, Excalibur influenced Star Wars/Seven Samurai joint?

You gonna smoke that one up? Because that’s what the R-rated extended cut is gonna be.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Here’s the quote:

“The 200 page script is the one movie or so—we just took the 200 page script and chopped in half.”

Yeah, that's not completely clear... whether the "one movie" is the entire Rebel Moon saga or whether he means the one Child of Fire movie.

 

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Yeah, that's not completely clear... whether the "one movie" is the entire Rebel Moon saga or whether he means the one Child of Fire movie.

I took it to mean that he was referring to Child of Fire. So from 200 pages in the extended cut to 100 pages in the PG-13 cut. Which makes sense given how lean and tight the story is (to a fault) in the PG13 cut. That matches what we see,

 

[Random_Retard]

Couldn’t you apply the same standards to almost any action scene, though?

That they are generally not very realistic? Yeah, totally.
When I watch a sci-fi fantasy movie I usually don't expect realistic and down to earth fight scenes. So I'm okay with that. That's why it doesn't bother me in the slightest that the lean girl takes out all the tough looking guys all on her own. If it looks cool I'm all for it!

But him just standing there, doing nothing at all?
... I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other movies. Of course you see it quite often: the bad guys lining up to get beat up by the hero one after the other instead of them all just overpowering them all at once. That's a common trope.
But here it just feels so unnecessary to me 'cause it's actually a real easy fix. Just make him show up late to save his guys for example. That way it wouldn't look so implausible.

But like I said, maybe it's just me. It's like a tiny little spot on the ceiling right above your bed. For a long time you didn't even notice it at all... But now that you did you just can't take your eyes off it again and it bothers the hell out of you...

 

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HonestlyThat they are generally not very realistic? Yeah, totally.
When I watch a sci-fi fantasy movie I usually don't expect realistic and down to earth fight scenes. So I'm okay with that. That's why it doesn't bother me in the slightest that the lean girl takes out all the tough looking guys all on her own. If it looks cool I'm all for it!

But him just standing there, doing nothing at all?
... I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other movies. Of course you see it quite often: the bad guys lining up to get beat up by the hero one after the other instead of them all just overpowering them all at once. That's a common trope.
But here it just feels so unnecessary to me 'cause it's actually a real easy fix. Just make him show up late to save his guys for example. That way it wouldn't look so implausible.

But like I said, maybe it's just me. It's like a tiny little spot on the ceiling right above your bed. For a long time you didn't even notice it at all... But now that you did you just can't take your eyes off it again and it bothers the hell out of you...

You raise a fascinating point, honestly. I noticed that too.

Zack clearly knows how to film topfilght fight choreography. See 300, Watchmen, BvS, ZSJL.

In ANH (and in the entire original Lucas SW trilogy) it is actually immersion-breaking that the Empire’s storm troopers can‘t hit the side of a barn, lol. Is Zack calling attention to that and making a comment on that for the space opera genre? He’s absolutely the (subversive) type of director (commenting on genre) that would do that.

 

[The Buffinator]

Again, for a 2 hour movie, 100 pages is a little short. There's still a 1 page per minute rule with scripts. So if he did cut a 200 page script down to a 100 page shooting script, then perhaps that's one of the problems with people connecting to the material.

Well, there are only 60 minutes in an hour so the 1 page/minute rule comes to 120 pages for a 2 hour movie. So, 100 pages isn't too far off plus he might have been guesstimating when he said they "chopped it in half". That said, the movie would probably have been better served if he deleted any and all pages containing the phrase "in slow motion" rather than whatever was actually cut lol...

 

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Well, there are only 60 minutes in an hour so the 1 page/minute rule comes to 120 pages for a 2 hour movie. So, 100 pages isn't too far off plus he might have been guesstimating when he said they "chopped it in half". That said, the movie would probably have been better served if he deleted any and all pages containing the phrase "in slow motion" rather than whatever was actually cut lol...

Factoring in slo-mo and speed ramping is a must for Snyder.

But seriously, what’s not to love about it? Come on, it’s great. Anyway, I love it, can’t get enough of it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Well, there are only 60 minutes in an hour so the 1 page/minute rule comes to 120 pages for a 2 hour movie. So, 100 pages isn't too far off plus he might have been guesstimating when he said they "chopped it in half". That said, the movie would probably have been better served if he deleted any and all pages containing the phrase "in slow motion" rather than whatever was actually cut lol...

Just to give some context, the original Alien script was well over 100 pages, and that has very little dialogue and mostly one location...

 

[The Buffinator]

Factoring in slo-mo and speed ramping is a must for Snyder.

But seriously, what’s not to love about it? Come on, it’s great. Anyway, I love it, can’t get enough of it.

It can be used to great effect but it can also be overused. I just think the narrative would have been better served with a little less slo-mo and a little more character development and team building.

 

[Random_Retard]

You raise a fascinating point, honestly. I noticed that too.

Zack clearly knows how to film topfilght fight choreography. See 300, Watchmen, BvS, ZSJL.

In ANH (and in the entire original Lucas SW trilogy) it is actually immersion-breaking that the Empire’s storm troopers can‘t hit the side of a barn, lol. Is Zack calling attention to that and making a comment on that for the space opera genre? He’s absolutely the (subversive) type of director (commenting on genre) that would do that.

Don't know if he's that type of director. Can't comment on that. I just watched some of his movies and enjoyed most of them. Never bothered to analyze him. But it wouldn't seem like a good choice to me to make a comment on the genre in that kind of scene at least not like that. It was so dark and serious tonally that it wouldn't feel fitting at all unless you like the idea - as a director - to take your audience right out of a scene just to make that point...

Star Wars OT are movies made for kids so I can be much more forgiving with that but of course it's hilarious that they never seem to hit anything.
Rebel Moon to me doesn't feel like a kids movie. You can chop it up all you want and cut out all the violence and blood but it just doesn't feel like that at all to me. Much too dark and too serious. PG13 or not...

If you wanna comment on the Storm Troopers and their shooting, just do it like that:

THAT was awesome!