Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[The Buffinator]

A sword that has a magic green flame wrapped around it?

The point was that even though Nemesis’s swords weren’t copies of lightsabers they still weren’t unique looking. There are other examples that predate RB that aren’t green like those in Scott Pilgrim and Game Of Thrones:

What’s sad is that from what I’ve read Snyder did create a fairly elaborate backstory for Nemesis that explains her use of the swords and their significance in her culture, he just neglected to put any of that on the &#%*! screen for the audience.

 

[Alatar]

Here’s a review that isn’t just out to trash the film, but is more open to what it does genuinely have to offer. Interestingly these are not fans of Snyder’s superhero films. They love Sucker Punch presumably because they unpacked all the allusions about genre that are jam-packed into the film. (I have yet to watch their review of that movie but I definitely will.) Their watch reactions are intelligent, amusing, and fun. The review per se starts at 24:52:



This take sort of gets close to why I’m a Snyder fan. I would rather watch an artist like him swing for the fences in films like Sucker Punch and this one—even if they fail to connect with the mainstream audience—than watch the standard popular type of genre film. I‘ll watch Rebel Moon all day long over almost any MCU or Star Wars film.

Even if the film is a trainwreck when viewed according to mainstream tastes, I’d rather watch that.

For example, BvS, by virtue of being a bold and completely unexpected deconstruction, got me interested again in superhero mythology again when I thought that interest was something I had packed away forever with my childhood. I didn‘t even watch Nolan’s trilogy when it came out because I had no interest in the subject matter at the time.* Anyway, what Snyder did with BvS is the sort of thing that interests me most as a film viewer. Much more than standard films churned out by Hollywood that are to my mind very much like comfort food. I do eat comfort food like most everyone else. But I’m more thrilled by food when it challenges me a bit and I acquire a new taste.

I guess that probably makes me a pretentious viewer. No apologies there, though, it is what it is.

* When I finally got around to it I wasn’t very impressed by it. I didn’t care much about what I was watching. Which is a “me problem,” not a failing of the films from any objective standpoint. And they were obviously a huge success critically, culturally, and financially. It was neat to see Batman finally more grounded than what Burton and Schumacher did. But the more purely mythological enchanted feeling I got from the character from comics as a kid just wasn’t there for me. In contrast, with BvS Snyder managed to render that magical/epic/mythic/majestic vibe I felt as a kid into an adult form and infuse it into a deconstruction, which blew me away.

 

[T8OO]

Interesting. Another example of your hypocritical nature.

If you would care to explain what you are talking about, I'd be happy to address it.

 

[T8OO]

The point was that even though Nemesis’s swords weren’t copies of lightsabers they still weren’t unique looking. There are other examples that predate RB that aren’t green like those in Scott Pilgrim and Game Of Thrones:

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What’s sad is that from what I’ve read Snyder did create a fairly elaborate backstory for Nemesis that explains her use of the swords and their significance in her culture, he just neglected to put any of that on the &#%*! screen for the audience.

Both of those are swords where blades are engulfed with flames. Not metal that gets so hot it glows.

That might be revealed in the extended version or part 2.

 

[Alatar]

Nemesis’s swords, when glowing, are made of molten metal. If I understand the lore I’ve read correctly she belongs to an assassin’s guild. The members of that guild voluntarily consent to have their forearms amputated and replaced with cybernetic prosthetics that can generate this unique form of molten metal, i.e., it is engineered so that it maintains its basic form even when in motion. It looks like she also uses a mundane set of katanas as well. Unless maybe those katanas can change back and forth between ordinary steel and their molten state? But anyway, the cybernetic forearms are what generate the molten metal swords.

The explanation will probably be shared in Part 2. I think before the all-out battle to protect Veldt each member of the team will share his or her backstory. Via flashback narration, which will surely upset many that want it through “show don’t tell.” Even though flashback narration is a technique used in many of the most critically acclaimed films of all time. Only if Zack uses it is it hackery. (Is hackery a word?)

 

[The Buffinator]

Nemesis’s swords, when glowing, are made of molten metal. If I understand the lore I’ve read correctly she belongs to an assassin’s guild. The members of that guild voluntarily consent to have their forearms amputated and replaced with cybernetic prosthetics that can generate this unique form of molten metal, i.e., it is engineered so that it maintains its basic form even when in motion. It looks like she also uses a mundane set of katanas as well. Unless maybe those katanas can change back and forth between ordinary steel and their molten state? But anyway, the cybernetic forearms are what generate the molten metal swords.

Yes I read that explanation as well, although based on what we saw on film the katana seemingly are just made of a special metal that maintains it shape when superheated and the prosthetics both generate the heat and protect her from it (ZS may have used the term molten metal but that's technically a misnomer, as that literally means heated to its liquid form). When she fought the spider chick they originally weren't heated up (she even dropped them at one point but then got them back), but it's not like she had a 2nd set on hand. When she eventually lit them up they were the same swords.

One thing about that fight that struck me as odd was that early on I distinctly recall Snyder made a point of showing the spider chick piercing/damaging one of what we now know was one of Nemesis's gauntlets. Despite that happening she was still able to heat up both of her katana. Makes one think that he was initially going to have her fight with one "hot" and one "cold" katana during the 2nd phase of the duel but then changed his mind.

 

[Kebron]

If you would care to explain what you are talking about, I'd be happy to address it.

You know exactly what I’m talking about.

 

[The Buffinator]

Both of those are swords where blades are engulfed with flames. Not metal that gets so hot it glows.

That might be revealed in the extended version or part 2.

Yes I concede that they're not the same, but when in motion they looked quite similar to me. But we've beaten this horse enough lol.

 

[T8OO]

Yes I read that explanation as well, although based on what we saw on film the katana seemingly are just made of a special metal that maintains it shape when superheated and the prosthetics both generate the heat and protect her from it (ZS may have used the term molten metal but that's technically a misnomer, as that literally means heated to its liquid form). When she fought the spider chick they originally weren't heated up (she even dropped them at one point but then got them back), but it's not like she had a 2nd set on hand. When she eventually lit them up they were the same swords.

One thing about that fight that struck me as odd was that early on I distinctly recall Snyder made a point of showing the spider chick piercing/damaging one of what we now know was one of Nemesis's gauntlets. Despite that happening she was still able to heat up both of her katana. Makes one think that he was initially going to have her fight with one "hot" and one "cold" katana during the 2nd phase of the duel but then changed his mind.

I'd have to watch it again to be sure but could it of been more about her being pinned by the spider thing and then being cybernetic rather than them getting damaged?

I did think they were going to get too damaged when I was watching.

 

[Wor-Gar]

A glowing sword and laser guns weren't done by Star Wars first

Serious question, do you know the first movie to use a "lightsaber" or laser sword?

 

[T8OO]

Serious question, do you know the first movie to use a "lightsaber" or laser sword?

I don't, no.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Actually, on film, it was Star Wars.

I had to look it up.

 

[ironwez20]

There it is! Rebel moon is a rip off! Close the thread now!

 

[The Buffinator]

I'd have to watch it again to be sure but could it of been more about her being pinned by the spider thing and then being cybernetic rather than them getting damaged?

I did think they were going to get too damaged when I was watching.

It definitely looked like it was pierced (complete with an electrical short/discharge of some kind) rather than just pinned and when she lopped off the end of the spider's leg it didn't immediately fall away, but the cut away to the next shot was extremely fast and then it was gone when they cut back to Nemesis standing again so it's hard to say for sure either way. Not a big deal I just thought we'd see the effect of that "short" come into play. Of course when I watched the movie initially I didn't know she had her forearms & hands amputated and replaced with cybernetic prosthetics - I just assumed she was wearing some high tech gauntlets that somehow interfaced with the katana. Maybe the prosthetic automatically rerouted things to its backup power supply lol.

 

[T8OO]

Actually, on film, it was Star Wars.

I had to look it up.

 

[T8OO]

There it is! Rebel moon is a rip off! Close the thread now!

 

[T8OO]

It definitely looked like it was pierced (complete with an electrical short/discharge of some kind) rather than just pinned and when she lopped off the end of the spider's leg it didn't immediately fall away, but the cut away to the next shot was extremely fast and then it was gone when they cut back to Nemesis standing again so it's hard to say for sure either way. Not a big deal I just thought we'd see the effect of that "short" come into play. Of course when I watched the movie initially I didn't know she had her forearms & hands amputated and replaced with cybernetic prosthetics - I just assumed she was wearing some high tech gauntlets that somehow interfaced with the katana. Maybe the prosthetic automatically rerouted things to its backup power supply lol.

That's pretty much how it played for me.
Us T800's can reroute for alternate power so maybe she can too lol

 

[ironwez20]

I’m as flabbergasted as you are

 

[Alatar]

Yes I read that explanation as well, although based on what we saw on film the katana seemingly are just made of a special metal that maintains it shape when superheated and the prosthetics both generate the heat and protect her from it (ZS may have used the term molten metal but that's technically a misnomer, as that literally means heated to its liquid form). When she fought the spider chick they originally weren't heated up (she even dropped them at one point but then got them back), but it's not like she had a 2nd set on hand. When she eventually lit them up they were the same swords.

One thing about that fight that struck me as odd was that early on I distinctly recall Snyder made a point of showing the spider chick piercing/damaging one of what we now know was one of Nemesis's gauntlets. Despite that happening she was still able to heat up both of her katana. Makes one think that he was initially going to have her fight with one "hot" and one "cold" katana during the 2nd phase of the duel but then changed his mind.

I agree with what you’re saying. The relationship between the regular swords and the super heated ones (Snyder refers to them as molten metal, I’ll go with that--they do look sort of whippy in motion) is unclear and a bit confusing.

Just an aside, but I assume that the cybernetic forearm that gets pierced is self-repairing, presumably using the same sort of concept that in the BvS prequel comic that features Kara Zor-El it shows that the Kryptonian bio-tech is able to repair the ship’s hull when it gets damaged. All the Kryptonian technology is derived from biology, which is pretty cool.

In this podcast Zack explains that given the Netflix mandate to make a 2 hour PG13 cut (even there he took it to 2:16, lol) alongside his much longer R-rated cut, he and the writers had a lot of tough decisions about how to trim down what he had from gigantic script (about 100 200 pages each for Part 1 and Part 2 respectively). They were seriously just whittling it down to the barest essentials given the time allotted to tell the basic story.

I’m going to keep an eye out for the flow to the editing of that scene in the extended cut to see if it makes more sense.

 

[T8OO]

I agree with what you’re saying. I assume that the cybernetic forearm that gets pierced is self-repairing, presumably using the same sort of concept that in the BvS prequel comic that features Kara Zor-El it shows that the Kryptonian bio-tech is able to repair the ship’s hull when it gets damaged.

In this podcast Zack explains that given Netflix mandate to make a 2 hour PG13 cut (even there he took it to 2:16), lol) alongside his much longer R-rated cut, he and the writers had a lot of tough decisions about how to trim down what he had from gigantic script (about 100 pages each for Part 1 and Part 2 respectively). They were seriously just whittling it down to the barest essentials given the time allotted to tell the basic story.

I’m going to keep an eye out for the flow to the editing of that scene in the extended cut to see if it makes more sense.

I think/hope that is why the fight in the barn is not as good as we've come to expect from him and his team. It's just been chopped up so much to remove the violence.