Zack Snyder's SUCKER PUNCH

[Darth Snoopy]

Were you even a gamete in the 80's?

Holy Frijoles!My teacher was right...I did need to know these things!

I remembered that word from biology!

 

[hunnipot85]

A lot of great shots from the art book: https://www.neonpunch.com/sucker-punch-hits-hong-kong-hard-and-fast-on-march-31/

 

[CelticPredator]

Were you even a gamete in the 80's?

Nah, but still didnt stop me from growing up on 80's flicks.

 

[devilof76]

I suppose you deserve credit for that. If I can find the guy who gives it out, I'll put a word in for you.

 

[CelticPredator]

I dont understand the second sentence...

 

[devilof76]

The guy who gives out credit.

A lot of great shots from the art book: https://www.neonpunch.com/sucker-punch-hits-hong-kong-hard-and-fast-on-march-31/

Ordered.

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh.

 

[Chapter 2099]

Holy Frijoles!My teacher was right...I did need to know these things!

I remembered that word from biology!

Technically, the word "gamete" doesn't really apply to this situation since it only possesses a haploid number of chromosomes, therefore a person can't ever really be a gamete per se'. It just doesn't make sense, you know? Now, if two gametes fuse into an amalgamation ala the "zygote," then I'd understand the humor of the joke...but, it really didn't quite get there. It just didn't do much for me.

3/10, with a majority of the points earned for originality

 

[devilof76]

Technically, since humans are born tabula rasa, no one is ever a zygote either. The joke is that the earliest glimmer of CelticP's existence was in the original gametes that created him. Since gender depends on the information contained in only one gamete, and the fact that CelticP is male, it still works to say that, in the final analysis, one gamete was more important to his essential being than the other.

It's an old joke though. No points for originality.

Fine. I have the authority to give you credit. You can have some.

But your opinion of Star Wars still sucks.

 

[The Entity]

A lot of great shots from the art book: https://www.neonpunch.com/sucker-punch-hits-hong-kong-hard-and-fast-on-march-31/

I must say that this book looks awesome! From what I've seen so far I can say that I definitely like the designs. I'll pick this up when it gets available here!

 

[Chapter 2099]

Technically, since humans are born tabula rasa, no one is ever a zygote either. The joke is that the earliest glimmer of CelticP's existence was in the original gametes that created him. Since gender depends on the information contained in only one gamete, and the fact that CelticP is male, it still works to say that, in the final analysis, one gamete was more important to his essential being than the other.

It's an old joke though. No points for originality.

How are you relating a philosophical theory to an otherwise unrelated scientifically-proven fact? Warning: Not a big fan of Locke.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I better stop before I derail this thread.

 

[devilof76]

What about Aristotle?

The point is that for an animal with a volitional consciousness, psychological identity is not established until consciousness begins, and consciousness doesn't begin until a central nervous system has developed. Until that point, the only identity the organism possesses is anatomical. Since the male contribution to the zygote determines gender, and gender is the most salient anatomical characteristic, the gamete from the father remains the earliest differentiated element of the future person.

(Unrelated, my backside...)

 

[Chapter 2099]

What about Aristotle?

The point is that for an animal with a volitional consciousness, psychological identity is not established until consciousness begins, and consciousness doesn't begin until a central nervous system has developed. Until that point, the only identity the organism possesses is anatomical. Since the male contribution to the zygote determines gender, and gender is the most salient anatomical characteristic, the gamete from the father remains the earliest differentiated element of the future person.

(Unrelated, my backside...)

I agree that the male gamete determines sex, but attempting to link scientific fact with philosophical theory in such a manner? Sorry, not buying it.

 

[devilof76]

In the first place, it's not a theory; it's a fact. Just because people are capable of dreaming up alternatives to a blank state thesis of human consciousness doesn't make them valid objections to what is demonstrable, as well as supported by reams of biological evidence.

In the second place, philosophy is prior to science. Although it employs the same cognitive method as science (induction) it does not need science to arrive at its consclusions. In fact, without a foundation in a valid metaphysics and epistemology, science is nothing but a worthless accumulation of disparate observations. For that reason, science cannot overturn sound philosophy (it can, however, reinforce it).

In the third place, I'm not linking the two. Even though they have inherent connections, my defense of the joke consisted of two separate parts. First, that a zygote is no more the person it will become than the gametes which compose it because there is no consciousness at the cellular level. Second, that a gamete can be considered the point of origin of a person, even if you need two. Yes, technically there are two points of origin, but that doesn't change the fact that until they unite, both of them are still a gamete.

Regardless, I was not speaking literally. It was a joke. And it works just fine. That's why it's been around for as long as it has. My apologies if you've never heard it before.

 

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[Chapter 2099]

In the first place, it's not a theory; it's a fact. Just because people are capable of dreaming up alternatives to a blank state thesis of human consciousness doesn't make them valid objections to what is demonstrable, as well as supported by reams of biological evidence.

In the second place, philosophy is prior to science. Although it employs the same cognitive method as science (induction) it does not need science to arrive at its consclusions. In fact, without a foundation in a valid metaphysics and epistemology, science is nothing but a worthless accumulation of disparate observations. For that reason, science cannot overturn sound philosophy (it can, however, reinforce it).

In the third place, I'm not linking the two. Even though they have inherent connections, my defense of the joke consisted of two separate parts. First, that a zygote is no more the person it will become than the gametes which compose it because there is no consciousness at the cellular level. Second, that a gamete can be considered the point of origin of a person, even if you need two. Yes, technically there are two points of origin, but that doesn't change the fact that until they unite, both of them are still a gamete.

Regardless, I was not speaking literally. It was a joke. And it works just fine. That's why it's been around for as long as it has. My apologies if you've never heard it before.

No worries. Either way, who cares? We're both joking around.

On another note, I just saw the trailer for this movie last night and thought it looked pretty good. Never read the graphic novel, but looks interesting.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

@ Chap

A lot of great shots from the art book: https://www.neonpunch.com/sucker-punch-hits-hong-kong-hard-and-fast-on-march-31/

Cool book with some great pictures of the characters!

 

[IronFingaz]

Got it today

 

[nash]

damn how did you get it so soon? Amazon says the 22nd....

can you post some photos of your fave pages?