The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
This gif aged well..
WE ARE THE COPS. WE ARE HARLEYThe first film was meh to me. Read all the spoilers here and feedback.
As somebody put it earlier, the movie does parallel what's happening right now. Arthur's fans in the movies are disappointed he didn't become the Joker they thought him to be and it's the same with the fans of the first film. Real life imitates art as they say. Maybe Phillips is a genius. Maybe him and Phoenix concocted this thesis that the real world fans will have the same reaction as how they wrote it. And y'all proved him right. Arthur got raped in the movie and the raping continues with the memes, jokes, AI images, etc. Y'all are the cops because you were spited by Todd. Y'all are also the unknown Joker at the end because you defined what Joker should be.
I say this jokingly but hey, who knows?
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WE ARE HARLEY
he only lasted 20 seconds. in sex with Harley. I counted. I went back to the scene and counted
he only lasted 20 seconds. in sex with Harley. I counted.
Shots fired!How long he last with the cops?
He wasn’t pathetic at the end tho. And no one in this thread said they connected or related to the character.He was pathetic in the first film too. What’s all this hubbub? Guess I’m now finding out, but you mean to tell me there were people who connected and related to him to a great extent..? To the point where some are enraged that they continued to portray him as the pathetic person he is in the second film? While it’s unfortunate to see, the character was always a sick individual, he should’ve never been idolized or glorified.
I guess leto is…. Cool nowThis gif aged well..
4 cops, but they had secondsEwww... I didn't really want to know.
DC wanted this sequel. When you make the biggest R rated movie of all time on a $50 million dollar budget the studio wants the sequel- every studio would want that sequel. Phillips and Phoenix were the ones who told DC they aren't going to make it unless they have an idea they are inspired by, and why they demanded to have full creative control if they were going to do it- and were given it. Thats why they were paid $20 million each. They had the studio over a barrel because the studio wanted to make money, they made their demands, and the demands were met. This isn't rocket science or a conspiracy. The studio wanted a sequel to a very lucrative movie, just like they want sequels to any lucrative movie that's ever existed. It's not Todd Phillips' talent that allowed him to 'call the shots', its that they wanted a sequel to make money, and needed him attached to get Phoenix back. This is a specific scenario where he had leverage over the studio. This is fact not opinion.But that’s just it.
Not a soul asked for Joker 2.
Covid hit that fall of ‘19 and most people completely forgot about the film for a few years, or even film in general.
There was no hype.
Todd and Joaquin wanted to make this,
they weren’t pressured into it.
A director of his caliber doesn’t get to call the shots with WB and tell them to wait five years, regardless of how profitable the first one lucked out to be because of how truly awful Suicide Squad and ‘17 Justice League were. That’s the only reason his film was a success to the degree it was, it was a primal actor in a gritty rated R Joker film amongst goofy Affleck Batman and prison faced Leto.
WB had zero interest in continuing this story because it was never to fit in their timeline plans regarding DC at the time, which is why he was given the freedom over the character to the extent he was. This was basically WB saying his movie can pad our pockets while we figure out where we want DC to go and if it fails it isn’t tied to anything we’re actively working on building.
They did the same thing for Matt Reeves at the time for The Batman. Reeves’ Batman will never be the Batman for WB or DC.
It will always be an else world story.
Their focus is Gunn now.
WB let the kid take the dog for a walk,
car for a spin,
and it played in their favor first,
then bombed completely.
Phillips didn’t care how this sequel played out, he knew he was being shown the door once Gunn began his projects.
Just as he’s seen it happen to Snyder, David Ayer and all of the actors from that universe.
I’ve seen worse.I have not seen a character assassination this bad since these guys...
Ditto. I wonder if time will be kind to these types of $equels, IP-(mis)handling$.
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