Hot Toys DX46: Terminator 2: Judgment Day - T-800 (Battle Damaged Version 2.0)

Nick D said:

One of my favorite moments,
I tend to think of it more than the Galleria scene.

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Yeah the whole Pescadero hospital escape scene is epic. Sarah thinking she is just about to be blown away by the thing that tried everything to kill her years ago.
If I could just have one version it would have to be the clean version, too many epic scenes with the T-800 in that look.
The Galleria, all the bike scenes, Pescadero hospital scene. Even the desert scene Arnie is still clean just has lost his sunglasses by then.
He does not really start to get batle damaged untill the end of the Cyberdyne scene. Thats pretty late on in the movie.

BTW I know the T-800 sustains minor damage in the Galleria fight but thats just pistol fire from the T-1000. I never really understood why the T-1000 shot the T-800 with a pistol if he knew he was a T-800 he would of known 9mm bullets would do nothing to the T-800. Maybe initially the T-1000 thinks the T-800 is human. You would think the T-1000 would know straight away as the T-1000 is so advanced.

shells075 said:

Yeah the whole Pescadero hospital escape scene is epic. Sarah thinking she is just about to be blown away by the thing that tried everything to kill her years ago.
If I could just have one version it would have to be the clean version, too many epic scenes with the T-800 in that look.
The Galleria, all the bike scenes, Pescadero hospital scene. Even the desert scene Arnie is still clean just has lost his sunglasses by then.
He does not really start to get batle damaged untill the end of the Cyberdyne scene. Thats pretty late on in the movie.

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Exactly my thoughts.

It's weird but T2 falls off for me after they blow up Cyberdyne. I’m glued to the screen leading up to that point and then I find myself on my phone or getting up from my seat, which is why I’m going clean 100% lol. Yeah, I know, it’s weird.

HyperDrive said:

Exactly my thoughts.

It's weird but T2 falls off for me after they blow up Cyberdyne. I’m glued to the screen leading up to that point and then I find myself on my phone or getting up from my seat, which is why I’m going clean 100% lol. Yeah, I know, it’s weird.

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T2 is one of the all time greats. Also one of my earliest films. I love it. But I don't think it offers much on multiple viewings (frequented especially). It's got heart, but mostly, it's pretty straight forward. You blink, and you'll miss a few bullets. I can certainly understand what you mean. After the 2 hour mark, I start feeling tired, at which point the movie's just playing out the way I expect.

I get that feeling a lot actually. That's why I try to give time before I rewatch a film that I like.

I feel like T2 has far more rewatch ability than T1 does. The story is great but Cameron figured out his stride with this film, he knew what the audience wanted and he delivered, in spades. As he did with Aliens when they asked him to make the sequel,
no retread.

He knew not to retread old ground in any way.
He makes Arnold the protagonist alongside Connor instead of opposed her.

He knew the audience wanted to see two
Terminators go head to head with no restrictions.
He plays up to that idea so well.

Every attempt at stopping either Terminator in their tracks is a valued effort. The creativity in this film is undeniable, nothing like it, so many expertly crafted special effects.

Why’d you have to go
and dedicate everything to Avatar..

Seeing Arnold light the T-1000 up as he’s driving the big rig, to the T-1000 freezing, leading to a bullet fragmenting him to oblivion, then he comes back as he always does. There’s no real deviation from either this or story and allows it to hold up regardless of its age. The only slow parts to me are the step parents, along with Miles and his family treaded on too long, though I understand the attempt at building emotion.

Nick D said:

I feel like T2 has far more rewatch ability than T1 does.

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Agreed.

I actually saw T2 before T1.

It works as a standalone film. But the context of T1 adds to my appreciation of the sequel. And it makes his protagonist turn that much more interesting.

Nick D said:

The creativity in this film in undeniable, nothing like it, so many expertly crafted special effects.

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Agreed.

While some of the visual effects look dated.. others hold up really well. And a lot better than modern CGI.

I'm over the muddled, processed, computer generated garbage. The magic of cinema was in practical effects. The "how did they do that?" aspect.. And it feels realistic because it's there, and the actors are seeing it, and reacting in real time.

I'll take this over anything a computer can generate and paste

Nick D said:

Why’d you have to go
and dedicate everything to Avatar..

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Agreed.

But listening to Cameron and following his approach with his recent work... he's really lost his touch as a filmmaker. He's more so a technical innovator now, and not so much an artistic force in the medium.

Yes, both of the first 2 films were great in their own ways. I'd love to see Cameron conclude the saga. Restore the emotional resonance that T2 had and give us a sizeable portion devoted to the future war (from the first 2 movies). Most of all, with a storyline and script that has intelligence and a return to powerful storytelling.

I adore both movies. I saw T2 first as a 9 year old in 1992 and watched it pretty-much weekly back then. It was a core memory for me.

I watched T1 afterwards and loved it, but always found it darker and "scarier" so didn't watch as much back in the day. However, I find as I've grown I'm starting to prefer T1 a little more. T2 remains the greatest action movie of all-time in my mind, but there's something about the grittiness of T1, the efficient story telling and overall world-building that has me starting to think it might be my favorite.

Can't go wrong with either, but T1 might now be more re-watchable for me. In saying that, I've literally seen T2 more than any movie in my life, so it may have lost some of the magic now that I can recite the entire movie.

Oh how I would love to use that MIB memory eraser and watch T1 & T2 for the first time again... not to mention Jurassic Park and The Matrix haha

I love T1 up until the endoskeleton. The jagged stop motion always pulls me out.

It's REALLY rough lol.

It's like she's fighting a broomstick.

That's fair haha, the stop-motion does look dated. I'm a bit of a geek for the "making of" kind of stuff though, so I find I can appreciate that scene a little differently. Same goes for the fake Arnie head when he removes his eye; not the most realistic, but I don't let it take me out of the movie.

I used to think T1 could do with the "George Lucas" treatment and have some of the dated effects updated, but CG is so omnipresent these days, I don't like the precedent that would set :/

Nick D said:

With the genuine leather and updated proportions here, what makes you want to use the old body?
Both arms on the BD version are seamless also.

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Because if the HS fits, I can display 2 T-800 from 2 different looks. One with semi BD head (Helicopter chase-steel mill) and one with severed arm and full BD head (Final scene)

greymask said:

Because if the HS fits, I can display 2 T-800 from 2 different looks. One with semi BD head (Helicopter chase-steel mill) and one with severed arm and full BD head (Final scene)

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That’s what I thought you were planning.

I don’t have any of their previous Terminators myself, really starting to look at the three of these to represent T2 for me, want to see all of the T-1000 accessories listed on SS or more photos.

shells075 said:

Yeah the whole Pescadero hospital escape scene is epic. Sarah thinking she is just about to be blown away by the thing that tried everything to kill her years ago.
If I could just have one version it would have to be the clean version, too many epic scenes with the T-800 in that look.
The Galleria, all the bike scenes, Pescadero hospital scene. Even the desert scene Arnie is still clean just has lost his sunglasses by then.
He does not really start to get batle damaged untill the end of the Cyberdyne scene. Thats pretty late on in the movie.

BTW I know the T-800 sustains minor damage in the Galleria fight but thats just pistol fire from the T-1000. I never really understood why the T-1000 shot the T-800 with a pistol if he knew he was a T-800 he would of known 9mm bullets would do nothing to the T-800. Maybe initially the T-1000 thinks the T-800 is human. You would think the T-1000 would know straight away as the T-1000 is so advanced.

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It's just one of those 'so the movie can happen' things. The T-1000 should have charged at the T-800 and John right there, maybe both shooting and forming a stabbing weapon at the same time. Maybe a bullet would get through the T-800 (not like there isn't gaps in his Endoskeleton) but if not he could have been right on top of them and lashed out at John with a sword arm with no risk to himself - the T-800 had no means to harm the T-1000 in that setting. At worst, John manages to avoid both bullets and blades and runs off while the T-800 temporarily blocks him.

Scout Trooper said:

I love T1 up until the endoskeleton. The jagged stop motion always pulls me out.

It's REALLY rough lol.

It's like she's fighting a broomstick.

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I would rather have that than a George Lucas type revisionist history. That movie was made a long, long time ago

agonistes86 said:

Right there with you.

I buy the characters and look (or looks) I prefer most, regardless of perceived coherence between characters. Unless you want to make scene specific dioramas where a lack of accuracy would bother you, buying "matching" characters is really just a completionist mindset getting into the way of getting the look you actually prefer on its own. That's not to say that some like that continuity and that may actually overrule the individual preference, but then it's a conscious choice instead of the compulsive collector behavior coming through (which we all have in some form or another of course).

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The urge to complete lines can be a slippery slope. But I focus on my favourite movie in a franchise, for example Rotj, Lotr TTT and collect what is offered from that. Yes it is a bit like diorama building but I have always liked to recreate the scenes or at least get the characters that I connected with. Definitely have some stand alone characters too, Hellboy and Steve McQueens Hilts to name a few, and T2 Arnie i will ad to these one and done additions to my collection
I don't buy multiples of any character either, just pick up the favourite 'look' . But in the end, it is as simple as " Collect what you like" and we all like different stuff

For me it depends on -

The impact of the character on me.

Do I like the look.

Will the alternate look complement
the main look or detract from it.

For a few examples -

I’m not in love with the design of the T-800 from T1
so I’ll likely not bite on anything besides an Endoskeleton.

So being that I like
the T2 design, a lot I might add.
As well as the battle damage being so prominently visible and having a lot of emotional importance in the film as well as in my personal life, I can justify owning the pair.

Picking up both Clean & BD
and displaying the clean in all black
isn’t as repetitive as having Cyberdyne and finale BD.

With the T-1000,
I’m not compelled in any way to get multiples to display both outfits and different accessories simultaneously.
If I get him, strictly one and done.

With something like Keaton Batman and Nicholson Joker, where I like it but don’t need multiples,
I’m starting to prefer their definitive iconic looks only as to not detract from their presence.

As Agonistes said, they don’t have to match eachother exactly respective of their films.

So I’ll likely have the new Returns 2.0 and Nicholson Joker but not an ‘89 Keaton.
Suits are extremely similar being black and yellow rubber, was thinking about getting Mime Joker, starting to decide against it and just make the best purple suit Jack I can.

With Ledger Joker the character means enough to me to own the Bank Robber, Purple coat and Interrogation looks.

I don’t see the two T-800 2.0s
like owning three OT Vaders.

shells075 said:

Yeah the whole Pescadero hospital escape scene is epic. Sarah thinking she is just about to be blown away by the thing that tried everything to kill her years ago.
If I could just have one version it would have to be the clean version, too many epic scenes with the T-800 in that look.
The Galleria, all the bike scenes, Pescadero hospital scene. Even the desert scene Arnie is still clean just has lost his sunglasses by then.
He does not really start to get batle damaged untill the end of the Cyberdyne scene. Thats pretty late on in the movie.

BTW I know the T-800 sustains minor damage in the Galleria fight but thats just pistol fire from the T-1000. I never really understood why the T-1000 shot the T-800 with a pistol if he knew he was a T-800 he would of known 9mm bullets would do nothing to the T-800. Maybe initially the T-1000 thinks the T-800 is human. You would think the T-1000 would know straight away as the T-1000 is so advanced.

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I’d love to get both but now I see a clean one, it’ll be that. You’re 100% right though, the cream jeans scenes for me, he was wearing the black shirt so good call from HT.

Nick D said:

For me it depends on -

The impact of the character on me.

Do I like the look.

Will the alternate look complement
the main look or detract from it.

For a few examples -

I’m not in love with the design of the T-800 from T1
so I’ll likely not bite on anything besides an Endoskeleton.

So being that I like
the T2 design, a lot I might add.
As well as the battle damage being so prominently visible and having a lot of emotional importance in the film as well as in my personal life, I can justify owning the pair.

Picking up both Clean & BD
and displaying the clean in all black
isn’t as repetitive as having Cyberdyne and finale BD.

With the T-1000,
I’m not compelled in any way to get multiples to display both outfits and different accessories simultaneously.
If I get him, strictly one and done.

With something like Keaton Batman and Nicholson Joker, where I like it but don’t need multiples,
I’m starting to prefer their definitive iconic looks only as to not detract from their presence.

As Agonistes said, they don’t have to match eachother exactly respective of their films.

So I’ll likely have the new Returns 2.0 and Nicholson Joker but not an ‘89 Keaton.
Suits are extremely similar being black and yellow rubber, was thinking about getting Mime Joker, starting to decide against it and just make the best purple suit Jack I can.

With Ledger Joker the character means enough to me to own the Bank Robber, Purple coat and Interrogation looks.

I don’t see the two T-800 2.0s
like owning three OT Vaders.

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The T2 T-800 is one of those rare instances for me where I love the various looks throughout the movie so much that I have/had multiple ones in my collection.

My favorite look used to be the BD look post Dyson/beginning of the steel mill. A lot of damage, including his face, but still both eyes in tact. The DX13 was a dream for finally providing that look.



But the Enterbay full BD, which I got a year earlier, was so amazing in likeness, realism and proportions, that while so similar, I couldn't get rid of either.


And the clean all-black look is just so iconic to me, I don't care that it's simply "a guy is normal clothing", something I usually don't collect. I had the MMS117 and then DX10.


Over the years of owning all three looks, I started to really appreciate the full BD look more. I sold my DX13 a few years ago, and the Enterbay remains a centerpiece in my collection. He was so ahead of his time IMO that he still holds up with figures now.

I still have the DX10 as well, but he's been relegated to the top of the Detolfs (on a fatboy) since he's rather outdated. I would love to update him, but so far the HT is not impressing me. After seeing the production version of the QS lfiesize bust and seeing the likeness that can achieved, I want that in 1:6 form. I'm hoping HT delivers and shows an upgraded version once the PO goes live.


And funny that you mention OT Vader. While on surface level they are of course very similar, I've spent so much time studying all the major and minuscule differences that ANH vs. ESB Vader are two completely looks in my (mind's) eye. The lack of weathering and proper proportions makes the HT versions more similar than they should be, though.

Agreed on most points Agonistes. Though I think the clean T-800 2.0 sculpt is stellar for the scale and best we’ll get for awhile.

I wish InArt would show their rumored
die-cast T1 Endoskeleton,
though I’m sure they’ll want $600+ for it.
Who knows if it’ll be in scale with these,
that’d be the deciding factor for me.

Similar regarding Full Battle Damaged look,
to me it just encapsulates what the film is about, the journey. Whereas the Clean All Black look is more just badass pure Terminator with only the mission in mind.
It’s an instance where getting both seems justified as I genuinely look at the two as almost different characters.

Do you have plans on making the trio of Vaders as accurate as possible or just one center piece end all be all?

Saw your custom thread, like the progress I’m seeing there. Looking forward to seeing you apply the various tones to the mask.

I'm not convinced that render is the same sculpt we've now seen on display. Also, I don't think it's a particularly good sculpt in any case.....

Yeah who knows if that’s the sculpt
we’ve seen displayed at WF ‘24.

Curious to when we’ll see more,
are there anymore upcoming events?

Ideally would like to see as many in person photos as possible. Though the HT promo photos showcase everything, they’re never flattering, almost any other source paints them in a better light. I wasn’t very pleased with the BD sculpts until I saw JC Hong’s photos.

I also want to see detailed photos of the cut and sew on the outfits, a better look at the zippers throughout. I like the Q 1:1, though I feel it comes across a bit like
a WB lot mannequin without the shades.
Of course, I’ll likely never see that piece in person so photos and videos are all I’d have to go by.
I just can’t ever see myself going down the 1:1 rabbit hole for any character in cinema.