1/6 Hot Toys - MMS275 -John Blake/ Jim Gordon with Bat-Signal Collectible Set

[The Iron Koob]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Why does the Joker pulling off the most impossible, convoluted plan ever get a pass while TDKR gets torn to shreds? I suspend my disbelief and enjoy all the films. The worst is when people ask, "How did that resourceful ninja get back to Gotham without money or being seen?" I've only skimmed these posts so I hope that one hasn't come up. When it does, I take it as an outright refusal to enjoy the movie experience.

Well I could actually follow Joker's plan. The only thing I miss the first time was that Joker switched Harvey and Rachel's addresses. I was confused because I thought for sure he said he was going for Rachel. I still don't really understand what Bane was doing with the bomb and the detonator. I think the reason is because the answer is pretty lame. So he gave a citizen the trigger, and if anyone left the city that person would blow it? What was the incentive to blow up the city by the citizen? I understand that he didn't really give it away but that's what he told the public and I really don't get why

 

[Hydeous]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

I think it'd be totally cool if they had used JGL as a 2.0 joker in TDKR. He coulda emerge from arkham, heck why'd scarecrow even made the cut in TDKR and the joker wasn't even mentioned once is beyond me. Okay, I get it that Ledger died, but Ledger and the Joker character aren't associated like how Brandon Lee was with the crow. As in he was killed during filming, Ledger died a few months later in his apt, overdosed. How is it in bad taste to ask some other actor to continue his part.

 

[The Iron Koob]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Some people will always settle for mediocrity I guess. Nolan and Co. Could have done anything and people would have eaten up

I agree. People would have eaten up anything. The movie was a bloated mess and it was made even worse by the fact that Nolan didn't really want to do it and that he used IMAX which forced many scenes to be filmed in one take so we got stuff like the Mayor's speech in the beginning where he goes "gufublub" and Talia's death.

The story was mainly a distraction from just watching Batman on screen. None of it was particularly interesting. Can Two-face die? Can the Joker die? Can Gordon die? Can Gordon die? All possible. Can the nuclear bomb go off and destroy Gotham? No..and everybody here knows it. Then the 99% vs 1% nonsense that we sacrificed Bane's origin for...Damn what a lame trade-off. If you're wondering why Nolan couldn't do both it's because an IMAX reel has to be changed out if the film goes over a certain length and I think TDKR was as long as it could have been. Not that i'd want it to be longer. In fact, I would've cut a lot off.

I don't think Coleman Reese could be written off. He would have talked. Also Maroni saw Two-face and could have backed it up. If Reese even whispered Wayne Ent., they would have looked at Bruce Wayne and his damaged leg. No one saw him? There was mention of Wayne being a cripple in the beginning of the film, so people knew about it. Then, wouldn't his doctor have figured it out?

The thing that bothered me the most was probably the final fight with Bane. Let's look past the "No I came to stop you" line and look at the actual fight. There has to be story to a fight. They did it good in the sewer battle because Batman was overconfident and in poor form and Bane was a strong, relentless figure. He was prepared and Batman wasn't. It made sense. Batman punches Bane in the face and nothing happens to the mask.
Batman goes to the prison and relearns fear but we never see how he learns from his battle with Bane. When the second fight comes along, Batman hasn't really changed his tactics up at all yet he still wins. He still goes to match muscles against Bane, only this time, he hits his mask and actually breaks it. Where did he learn that from? Why couldn't he do it the first time? Why does he punch like an amateur boxer and utilize no other fighting abilities? There was no story. They just bang at each other's heads until Bane gets hurt and then Batman wins. What did he learn? What did we learn?

The only problems I have with TDK is not enough Two-face, how he fell from the building after catching Rachel yet had chronic knee problems after the fall with Two-face, and the cheesiness of the Two-face/Maroni exchange. Aside from the Batsuit which got rid of the panther neck.

Only problem with BB is when he tells Ra's that he doesnt have to save him. When Ra's asks him if he learned to do what is necessary, he should have said "No, and thanks to you, I won't have to." Then it sounds like Ra's caused his own death and he kind of gives one last **** you to Ra's. That's the only thing for me. I love that movie. I don't know why I typed all of this.

 

[jedibear]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Ah, here they are....

Pics from STGCC:
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[Kcreed]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Ah, here they are....

When are they gonna announce this damn set for PO? ...Jeez, i'm getting really annoyed.

 

[DarkMagic]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Well I could actually follow Joker's plan. The only thing I miss the first time was that Joker switched Harvey and Rachel's addresses. I was confused because I thought for sure he said he was going for Rachel. I still don't really understand what Bane was doing with the bomb and the detonator. I think the reason is because the answer is pretty lame. So he gave a citizen the trigger, and if anyone left the city that person would blow it? What was the incentive to blow up the city by the citizen? I understand that he didn't really give it away but that's what he told the public and I really don't get why

Same reason Joker told Batman that Rachel was where Harvey was...villains can't be trusted to tell the truth. Further, Bane's motivation for the lie about the trigger is actually one of the things that is specifically spoon-fed to the audience in the scene with him and Bruce in the prison.

 

[DarkMagic]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

I agree. People would have eaten up anything. The movie was a bloated mess and it was made even worse by the fact that Nolan didn't really want to do it and that he used IMAX which forced many scenes to be filmed in one take so we got stuff like the Mayor's speech in the beginning where he goes "gufublub" and Talia's death.

The story was mainly a distraction from just watching Batman on screen. None of it was particularly interesting. Can Two-face die? Can the Joker die? Can Gordon die? Can Gordon die? All possible. Can the nuclear bomb go off and destroy Gotham? No..and everybody here knows it. Then the 99% vs 1% nonsense that we sacrificed Bane's origin for...Damn what a lame trade-off. If you're wondering why Nolan couldn't do both it's because an IMAX reel has to be changed out if the film goes over a certain length and I think TDKR was as long as it could have been. Not that i'd want it to be longer. In fact, I would've cut a lot off.

I don't think Coleman Reese could be written off. He would have talked. Also Maroni saw Two-face and could have backed it up. If Reese even whispered Wayne Ent., they would have looked at Bruce Wayne and his damaged leg. No one saw him? There was mention of Wayne being a cripple in the beginning of the film, so people knew about it. Then, wouldn't his doctor have figured it out?

The thing that bothered me the most was probably the final fight with Bane. Let's look past the "No I came to stop you" line and look at the actual fight. There has to be story to a fight. They did it good in the sewer battle because Batman was overconfident and in poor form and Bane was a strong, relentless figure. He was prepared and Batman wasn't. It made sense. Batman punches Bane in the face and nothing happens to the mask.
Batman goes to the prison and relearns fear but we never see how he learns from his battle with Bane. When the second fight comes along, Batman hasn't really changed his tactics up at all yet he still wins. He still goes to match muscles against Bane, only this time, he hits his mask and actually breaks it. Where did he learn that from? Why couldn't he do it the first time? Why does he punch like an amateur boxer and utilize no other fighting abilities? There was no story. They just bang at each other's heads until Bane gets hurt and then Batman wins. What did he learn? What did we learn?

The only problems I have with TDK is not enough Two-face, how he fell from the building after catching Rachel yet had chronic knee problems after the fall with Two-face, and the cheesiness of the Two-face/Maroni exchange. Aside from the Batsuit which got rid of the panther neck.

Only problem with BB is when he tells Ra's that he doesnt have to save him. When Ra's asks him if he learned to do what is necessary, he should have said "No, and thanks to you, I won't have to." Then it sounds like Ra's caused his own death and he kind of gives one last **** you to Ra's. That's the only thing for me. I love that movie. I don't know why I typed all of this.

Dafuq? I'm not sure what you're saying about the IMAX film reel needing to be changed out. How does that limit what Nolan can choose to film?

And yeah, Maroni did see Two-Face, and he may or may not have backed up Reese....if he didn't have a minor case of the

Spoiler

BEING DEAD.

Wow people still insist Reese was going to talk after he found out Joker was going to kill people anyway / have people killed (including prime target: Reese!) whether or not Batman's identity was revealed....aaaaaannnnddd then on top of that 'Batman' (the man he knows is Batman) saves him.

What was the point of the scene of Bruce and Reese making eye contact after he saves him? It's just a couple seconds, why not just cut it out entirely if it had no significance to the film? It's not enough that Nolan shows the audience Bruce saving the man who could've revealed his identity---he also makes a point to show that Reese knows that Bruce is the one that saved him. Why do that?

 

[pturtle]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

I agree. People would have eaten up anything. The movie was a bloated mess and it was made even worse by the fact that Nolan didn't really want to do it and that he used IMAX which forced many scenes to be filmed in one take so we got stuff like the Mayor's speech in the beginning where he goes "gufublub" and Talia's death.

The story was mainly a distraction from just watching Batman on screen. None of it was particularly interesting. Can Two-face die? Can the Joker die? Can Gordon die? Can Gordon die? All possible. Can the nuclear bomb go off and destroy Gotham? No..and everybody here knows it. Then the 99% vs 1% nonsense that we sacrificed Bane's origin for...Damn what a lame trade-off. If you're wondering why Nolan couldn't do both it's because an IMAX reel has to be changed out if the film goes over a certain length and I think TDKR was as long as it could have been. Not that i'd want it to be longer. In fact, I would've cut a lot off.

I don't think Coleman Reese could be written off. He would have talked. Also Maroni saw Two-face and could have backed it up. If Reese even whispered Wayne Ent., they would have looked at Bruce Wayne and his damaged leg. No one saw him? There was mention of Wayne being a cripple in the beginning of the film, so people knew about it. Then, wouldn't his doctor have figured it out?

The thing that bothered me the most was probably the final fight with Bane. Let's look past the "No I came to stop you" line and look at the actual fight. There has to be story to a fight. They did it good in the sewer battle because Batman was overconfident and in poor form and Bane was a strong, relentless figure. He was prepared and Batman wasn't. It made sense. Batman punches Bane in the face and nothing happens to the mask.
Batman goes to the prison and relearns fear but we never see how he learns from his battle with Bane. When the second fight comes along, Batman hasn't really changed his tactics up at all yet he still wins. He still goes to match muscles against Bane, only this time, he hits his mask and actually breaks it. Where did he learn that from? Why couldn't he do it the first time? Why does he punch like an amateur boxer and utilize no other fighting abilities? There was no story. They just bang at each other's heads until Bane gets hurt and then Batman wins. What did he learn? What did we learn?

The only problems I have with TDK is not enough Two-face, how he fell from the building after catching Rachel yet had chronic knee problems after the fall with Two-face, and the cheesiness of the Two-face/Maroni exchange. Aside from the Batsuit which got rid of the panther neck.

Only problem with BB is when he tells Ra's that he doesnt have to save him. When Ra's asks him if he learned to do what is necessary, he should have said "No, and thanks to you, I won't have to." Then it sounds like Ra's caused his own death and he kind of gives one last **** you to Ra's. That's the only thing for me. I love that movie. I don't know why I typed all of this.

The whole point of the second fight was Bruce/Batman was stronger, he got his fire back, in the prison (Nolan’s version of the Laz pit) he built himself back up, he couldn’t easily be broken like he was in the first fight, thats the whole point of that fight and there some key shots that show that.

 

[Khev]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Its interesting that for a director who loves and uses flashbacks so much that Nolan still made a movie with such gaps from the previous film. TWS was 70 years after TFA and it still bridged everything masterfully with the Smithsonian exhibit, Zola's montage, Bucky's fragmented memory of being reconstructed by HYDRA, and "You don't have to pal, I'm with you to the end of the line."

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Its interesting that for a director who loves and uses flashbacks so much that Nolan still made a movie with such gaps from the previous film. TWS was 70 years

What's going on? I thought I had unsubscribed from the TWS thread? The more I read about the movie the less I like it, and it already started at a 6/10 after watching it.

 

[Khev]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

What's going on? I thought I had unsubscribed from the TWS thread? The more I read about the movie the less I like it, and it already started at a 6/10 after watching it.

I did love the flashback to young Gordon putting the coat on Bruce though. That gets me every time.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Hydra

If I had been an Agent of Hydra, let me tell you that things would have gone down very differently in TWS and the TV show. Talk about flushing 60+ years of work down the toilet in like 2 days.

 

[pturtle]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

What's going on? I thought I had unsubscribed from the TWS thread? The more I read about the movie the less I like it, and it already started at a 6/10 after watching it.

 

[pturtle]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Captain America: Winter Soldier > TDKR

You can tell the Russo bros. were much more conciencious of making a tighter screenplay with a story that made sense than the Nolan bros, who just winged it. Every scene in Cap II makes sense and builds up to the themes and story they want to achieve. TDKR on the other hand throws every thing on the wall and hopes it sticks. It's so bloated with half baked ideas that I'm not sure whether it's running time should be cut substantially or if it needed MORE to flesh out all that crap that's dripping down the wall.

Also doesn't help that Steve Rogers was much more interesting and driven than that puss, Bruce Wayne.

Nope, sorry but not even close, TWS suffers from bland characters, mediocre acting, cheesy dialogue, and it wasn’t even the 2nd best superhero movie of the year, the only thing that was truly great about that film was the action. This is coming from someone that actually enjoyed the movie, but Cap is only great for a MCU film, rank it outside of that and its nothing more than a decent action flick on par with F&F films.

 

[pturtle]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

So wait, you think Cap II's characters are "bland", the acting is mediocre and the dialogue "cheesy", yet you love TDKR. Wow.

Those are great descriptions for Bane and Talia alone, not even counting all the other hokey garbage.

I don't see how we can both love Days of Future Past and the other X-Men movies (and other CBM in general) and yet feel so differently about TDKR. Surely you're putting up a front about this TDKR crap? Surely. Never remember you being so passionate about it.


EDIT:

Never mind, I remember your TDKR groveling in the Bane figure thread.

Yup, that was me

I made some noise last year too in some of the other superhero threads about TDKR. I think the difference is, I’m not a huge Batman fan like you, so all the liberties taken with the characters in TDKR doesn’t bother me one bit.

I was being a bit harsh on TWS to ruffle your feathers a bit, its good, and I really liked it, but I don’t think its on TDKR level. Bane, Catwoman, Batman, were written much better than Cap, Widow and TWS, and gave WAY better performances. You really liked TWS more than Bane? Bane was far more menacing, and actually has memorable scenes.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

I think I've expressed this before in a similar way, but here it goes again. The Nolan Batman films are good movies. The Marvel movies are mostly good SUPERHERO movies. In other words, I can put the Batman movies up against any movie, where the Marvel stuff is really only good within a very strict niche.

And While I really dislike the original three X-Men movies, I did like the flashback movies, and I think they were far better than TWS. No contest. But I also think TWS was far better than both Thor movies (not sure they needed to be made at all). I still think that overall Marvel studios has the edge and I wish they had access to their A-list properties, but they're incorporating a lot of fromage lately which isn't my thing. All their movies have also been somewhat forgettable in the grand scheme of things. I don't feel that way about the Nolan Batman trilogy. Is it because I was always a bigger Marvel fan and may feel let down? Not sure. Anyway, I still need to watch GotG which I'm very much looking forward to.

Now, can someone change this thread title to say "Blake" instead of "Robin?"

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

And Hot Toys labeled this figure as "Robin Blake". The character's first name is Robin in the movie. Is it silly? Hell yeah, but blame the movie for that goofy shenanigans. The thread name is accurate.

It says "John Blake" on all the tags under the figure in the photos. The character's official name in the movie is "Blake." So the thread title matches the set card used by Hot Toys, I know two lefts make a right, but do two wrongs? It's also inconsistent to use one person's first name and another's last name and I just don't like it. Let's have it changed. "Blake and Gordon with the Bat Signal"

"Batman Spotlight."

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Please toy doll gods,

You didn't need to show Hot Toys' mistake (or was it Sideshow that created that place card? ). I'm talking about giving some due diligence to this wayward thread title even if Hot Toys doesn't have the attention to detail to nail the tags nor sculpts. Ooops, did I say that last bit? Yeah, it looks like it could be JGL's brother in the cop uniform, so definitely not one of HT's best.

 

[Kcreed]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

At first I thought it was Sideshow's doing at Comic-Con, but nope, Hot Toys has used it too at all their shows and conventions. "Batsignal, Gordon and Robin". The intention is there, no mistake.

Thread title is correct, Hologram is correct. Let's pray that when specs/pics and preorders go up we get . . . I like that name, ROBIN.


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Not like it matters. Hot Toys already made the only Robin that's important anyway.

Oh no, He's BAAAAAAAACK!!!

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - TDKR - Batman Spotlight w/ Robin and Gordon (Various Sets)

Not like it matters. Hot Toys already made the only Robin that's important anyway.

Correction… NO Robin is important.