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We get that dude but more than not its just an excuse to support recasting. And maybe it's my blind bias but I feel that skill, talent and creativity changes the whole dynamic. On one side you have great talents who create art (and yes their art is a business; no one ever said it was a charity), and on the other you have scoundrel opportunists whose only skill is to make casts of someone else's skill and work. There aren't any true custom supporters that are going to see that any differently and there aren't many people who like the work but don't like the price who will agree.

At the end of the day my heart goes out to the artist whose work gets stolen rather than the Hollywood star who really isn't missing out on anything by 30/50/100 sets of a figure with their likeness getting sold. If anything, these custom ventures are creating jobs by putting artists to work. Does anyone here think Mel or Clint needs the few shillings that Denny could've spared after paying all of his workers and overhead? It would be a molecule in a bucket for them.
 
That's the thing the level of the crime is being justified. "The people we are stealing from aren't getting hurt by my little crime, so what's the problem?" One can say the same thing; "Denny, Grove, etc. got paid what's the problem?" Sure, these big name people may not feel it as would someone like those at Iminime financially. Does it make it right? Don't support recasters that's a choice, but don't get upset if someone buys a recasted figure/head when the initial product was stolen. Sure it took time and money to get the sculpt, but the bottom line is that it was stolen no matter how you put it.

Do you agree that Iminime illegally took a property that does not belong them?
 
I do acknowledge that, but again with all things considered it's about as serious as jaywalking to me. But that's my blind bias of appreciating and respecting the artists. Others are blinded by what they want and what they can afford. Again, it's polar oppisite opinions that will never meet half way

And it's more than just money that hurts the artists. It's a violation like getting your house broken into or doing a mural on a city wall and having someone deface it by splashing paint all over it.

Not everyone will get it and the opinions are so oppositely split on the matter. That's why it's the same old round and round every time the subject comes up. No one will agree, no one will win. It's just who gives up talking about it first. So on that note I give up now and I have participated in my yearly recasting debate. Time served. I can go back to ignoring the subject every time it pops up until 2017
 
It's playing your tune kid.

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Comparing resin cast heads to PVC heads, there is a pretty big difference. Resin has minimual shrinkage while PVC is actually pretty extreme. There are a few sculptors that will only offer heads cast made a few times from a mold becuase they degrade quickly after each pull. So 30 heads actually come from 10 different molds. Some may argue that's extreme but the sculptor wants to offer the best product possible so that's why they do it. That is a clear contrast to PVC modeling of mass marketed figures. That's why most prototype figures are actually resin casts. Even HT has great examples of loss of detail from original sculpts.

Though a post from "the other side of the aisle," it's one of the other more informative ones in this thread, e.g., he didn't pull it out of his a** like how some of you guys do.

I can't believe that Trevor Grove and Denny were sat around and then suddenly thought, i know, lets recast the Redman sculpts................. three years before Redman even existed. I knew they were both BTTF fans, but i had no idea they actually owned one of those Delorean's.


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Really then, can anyone else explain how Redman came out with factory run PVC heads based on an "original" Iminime resin cast head? Believe me, I agree with all of you that Redman came after Iminime, but you're all assuming that a straight-up recasting took place, but the evidence points to something more going on. I'll be interested to read any reliably reasonable explanations on how any of that can happen. What I can expect, however, is that those who wouldn't know their own a** from their elbow will be the ones ridiculing what I just said.
 
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I don't know my ass from my elbow, and i only have half a brain cell. Oh and did i mention spelin and grandma aint my strongist poynt.

I got nothing, nothing at all. I don't know jot about casting, but i do want to learn as it happens, because i have some stuff i want casting and i'd like to know all there is.
 
Really then, can anyone else explain how Redman came out with factory run PVC heads based on an "original" Iminime resin cast head? Believe me, I agree with all of you that Redman came after Iminime, but you're all assuming that a straight-up recasting took place, but the evidence points to something more going on. I'll be interested to read any reliably reasonable explanations on how any of that can happen. What I can expect, however, is that those who wouldn't know their own a** from their elbow will be the ones ridiculing what I just said.
What do you mean more going on?
 
I don't know my ass from my elbow, and i only have half a brain cell. Oh and did i mention spelin and grandma aint my strongist poynt.

I got nothing, nothing at all. I don't know jot about casting, but i do want to learn as it happens, because i have some stuff i want casting and i'd like to know all there is.

It's funny that you were the first to respond, guilty as charged! You know, what you're doing is called "steering into the skid," exaggerating your true ignorance to cover up for it. Do you know what "lol" means? Maybe you should have done your own homework instead of bullying other kids to do it for you.
 
It's funny that you were the first to respond, guilty as charged! You know, what you're doing is called "steering into the skid," exaggerating your true ignorance to cover up for it. Do you know what "lol" means? Maybe you should have done your own homework instead of bullying other kids to do it for you.

WOW, are you 5 or something.

I have no idea what you just said but it sounded great. Keeping it up kid.
 
Really then, can anyone else explain how Redman came out with factory run PVC heads based on an "original" Iminime resin cast head? Believe me, I agree with all of you that Redman came after Iminime, but you're all assuming that a straight-up recasting took place, but the evidence points to something more going on. I'll be interested to read any reliably reasonable explanations on how any of that can happen. What I can expect, however, is that those who wouldn't know their own a** from their elbow will be the ones ridiculing what I just said.
What do you mean more going on?

I've laid out as A+B=?, so based on that I'm basically asking the same question as yours. Do you have any theories on how this could have happened?
 
Though a post from "the other side of the aisle," it's one of the other more informative ones in this thread, e.g., he didn't pull it out of his a** like how some of you guys do.



Really then, can anyone else explain how Redman came out with factory run PVC heads based on an "original" Iminime resin cast head? Believe me, I agree with all of you that Redman came after Iminime, but you're all assuming that a straight-up recasting took place, but the evidence points to something more going on. I'll be interested to read any reliably reasonable explanations on how any of that can happen. What I can expect, however, is that those who wouldn't know their own a** from their elbow will be the ones ridiculing what I just said.

Some one at Redman acquired a casting from Iminime and then utilized a factory to make PVC molds and produced it. Is that what your asking? You dont have to have an original sculpt to produce molds for PVC. Thats part of the arguement about them being less quality. Copy of a copy.



 
Exactly to the 10 fricken power! I mean, what are we talking about here? The whole issue is about them recasting, not making the same characters as other customizers. It would be a non-issue if they were making the same characters of their own design and quality level to offer at a lower price point. Well let me not say completely a “non-issue” because it’s still pretty lame that aside from all the heads they’ve STOLEN thus far (Iminime: Rick, Riggs, Harry, Good, Bad , Ugly. Rainman: Alex. Not sure if BH Blondie is a recast of Scott’s), the only 2 other characters that they actually used their own sculptor for (Doc & Josey) are pulled from Rainman and Velvet Morning’s catalog. LAME! No claim to originality whatsoever.





:lol:lol You are making some wild assumptions my friend. Instead of taking embarrassingly wide swings and misses about what I live and breathe or what I’m able to afford, you should just stick to your crusade on making excuses for thieves and leveling wild accusations at the innocent originators of the works in question. You’re doing marginally better with that!

To answer your question about the Iminime casts; they are solid resin as are 99% of all custom casts. The necks were drilled to fit a neck peg. Before drilling they were solid down to the base of the neck so there’s nothing hollow about them.

And you’re obviously intelligent so don't say you just can’t grasp our angle. It's yours (or the argument you're sticking to) that we don’t grasp. Licensing infringement, intellectual properties, talks of breaking the law and whatnot… who gives a rat’s ass!!! Are you their contract attorney?? Are you making a single cent from defending them against people making unlicensed products (LIKE REDMAN DOES)? The whole law in itself is questionable. What about when they sign a bad deal and they don’t even have their own likeness rights because it belongs to the studio? The law. Illegal. Big friggin’ deal!! No one who buys recasts gives a crap about the law either, and that’s why that angle is and always will be paper thin horses__t to me. All that matters to them is they can get a knock-off of something they wanted that was out of their budget for a price that now fits their budget. ishothimsixtimes is probably the 100th member to explain the same exact thing: Talented artists who can sculpt create something, and someone else who doesn’t have the skill comes along and counterfeits it to profit from the original artists hard work, talent and skill. That’s theft! Point blank end of story! All other talk is hogwash.


The bottom line is:




That and similar mentalities will always clash with avid custom fans who respect the artists and hold them in high regard. We’ll never agree with that and the people who will support recasts will never agree with other aspects that we accept like the high price of the official work. Same ol’ circle and it shall continue…

It’s not about viewing customs as the Rolls Royces of 1/6 because they are imperfect and not like we don’t recognize their flaws. We are as nitpicky and OCD in the custom threads as all the folks in the licensed threads. It’s about appreciating the artistry, craftsmanship and hand crafted skill that goes into what are essentially art figures. It’s about being fans, supporters and collectors of these artists’ work. The custom sect is a very different animal in many ways than the licensed world (which is why guys like Clipper King shouldn’t review customs while grading them against Hot Toys, especially without having more knowledge of how custom production works. But that’s a whole ‘nother argument). Especially on a forum like this where members are closely in touch with a lot of the artists, and there are many offerings that fellow Freaks had a lot of influence and a big hand in helping the customizers bring to life. There were 4 boardies that are responsible for pitching the GBU idea to iminime, and provided all the reference and suggestions needed. I’m sure they were just as pissed off as Denny was to see the Redman recasts.

I don't expect the people with opposite opinions to get it... and the circle spins on




He has, and exceptional is an understatement. He's one of the artists that make the custom world great. You should look him up

Mike, you are a true statesman, and I appreciate your dedication to the hobby. The custom community is far better when you and others like you are around. Your reasoning and due diligence is much appreciated. All points are spot on, very well said!
 
Really then, can anyone else explain how Redman came out with factory run PVC heads based on an "original" Iminime resin cast head? Believe me, I agree with all of you that Redman came after Iminime, but you're all assuming that a straight-up recasting took place, but the evidence points to something more going on. I'll be interested to read any reliably reasonable explanations on how any of that can happen. What I can expect, however, is that those who wouldn't know their own a** from their elbow will be the ones ridiculing what I just said.

I've laid out as A+B=?, so based on that I'm basically asking the same question as yours. Do you have any theories on how this could have happened?

Uh... Iminime cast their sculpts in resin? Then the recasters recast that resin sculpt in PVC? :dunno

I don't know what 'more' there is to this.
 
Do you have any theories on how this could have happened?

Somebody might have gone to him with a fist full or dollars, and that could have tipped him. It's not a good thing really and i'd feel bad if it was like that, but it's the kind of ugly business we're in.

All i know is i'd still pay the original asking price, even if it was for few dollars more.
 
you guys don't deserve to comment on anything unless you've never downloaded illegally any Programs, Music or Movie files.
 
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