12 shot dead at movie theater

[Sweet Rabbit]

I never thought of that. Hmmm......so who's the guy supplying the poo, Eli?

My guess is batty

 

[devilof76]

I was seriously just interested in everyone's opinions.

What did it have to do with the Stand Your Ground law? Is he pleading that in his defense?

My question for people who oppose this law is: do you think it should be illegal for a man to defend himself with deadly force if he is assaulted?

 

[DarkArtist81]

What did it have to do with the Stand Your Ground law? Is he pleading that in his defense?

My question for people who oppose this law is: do you think it should be illegal for a man to defend himself with deadly force if he is assaulted?

Yes... he claims that he feared for his life, because he said the man had something in his hand (sales pamphlets more than likely).. and after the man was shot and was yelling back at him, he shot him in the back of the head.

I don't mind a law that allows someone to defend themselves if assaulted.. that is fine... But cases like this show that the law is severely flawed and needs to be amended or something. What's next? Someone shoots the paperboy because they thought he had a stick of dynamite?

 

[devilof76]

So he got off? They looked at the situation and said, "This guy is ____ing crazy. Oh, well...Stand Your Ground covers that."

 

[Niltusk]

If he does time, it probably won't be much. If they do find him to be nuts, he probably won't do any, except at a mental facility. If you're going to shoot someone, I guess he did it right by shooting a stranger, that takes alot off the table.

 

[devilof76]

Why won't he do any time? He fatally shot a man twice for brandishing pamphlets.

 

[Eli26]

devilof76 supplies the poo... he's full of ____... ____! *runs and hides from Michael*

 

[Eli26]

Wash your damn hands.

I always do! btw I notice you just had corn. Interesting how corn doesn't dissolve like other foods in our stomach. That ____ is tough!

 

[nash]

https://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/27/unarmed-man/

A door to door salesman was shot and killed by a man in FL. It's a pretty horrible story, but I wanted to see what you guys would think about it. Again, not trying to start anything... just curious.

Personally, I think that this is what happens when "stand your ground" laws collide with a society that breeds fear in our citizens. If the man had not deemed it necessary to be armed, and has not been so paranoid to think that a salesman was a maniac... that man would still be alive. But that is just my opinion.

How do YOU know the salesman was not a maniac? You don't because he's dead.

But what if he was? how would you feel if some complete stranger came to your home and posed a threat (even if unarmed) to your family and young child that you have? would you rather have a means to defend them, or be completely unarmed and open to whatever this maniac is willing to try to do to them and yourself?

 

[Sachiel]

Might as well shoot everyone then because they're all potential threats.

 

[nash]

Might as well shoot everyone then because they're all potential threats.

yeah, that's TOTALLY what I meant. because everything is only black and white, nothing in between right?

 

[thenammagazine]

Might as well shoot everyone then because they're all potential threats.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Not sure if anyone still reads this thread for actual info about the shootings or just for the politics, but excellent special section in today's Denver Post about the heroes of the incident, both alive and dead.

https://www.denverpost.com/heroes

 

[DarthNeil]

And the world just goes on spinning...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-claiming-joker-threatens-blow/story?id=16869716

This new "joker" had an arsenal of about 25 firearms at his residence, including semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns, according to a police affidavit. Police said he also had high powered scopes and magazines and thousands of rounds of ammunition in "40 large steel boxes."

 

[csi]

Yes... he claims that he feared for his life, because he said the man had something in his hand (sales pamphlets more than likely).. and after the man was shot and was yelling back at him, he shot him in the back of the head.

I don't mind a law that allows someone to defend themselves if assaulted.. that is fine... But cases like this show that the law is severely flawed and needs to be amended or something. What's next? Someone shoots the paperboy because they thought he had a stick of dynamite?

I am assuming you read the article since you posted it for everyone to see. But I have to ask if you have ever actually read the stand your ground law? It is very easy to see that this particular incident does not meet the stand your ground requirements. Anyone who reads the story can see that. So posting this story to back the claim that the stand your ground law is severely flawed and needs to be amended is tantamount to propaganda, or an attempt to flame the conversation.

 

[thenammagazine]

I am assuming you read the article since you posted it for everyone to see. But I have to ask if you have ever actually read the stand your ground law? It is very easy to see that this particular incident does not meet the stand your ground requirements. Anyone who reads the story can see that. So posting this story to back the claim that the stand your ground law is severely flawed and needs to be amended is tantamount to propaganda, or an attempt to flame the conversation.

But see, that would undermine the very legitimacy of his argument though.

 

[Niltusk]

Why won't he do any time? He fatally shot a man twice for brandishing pamphlets.

In many states whether laws support it or not, without premeditation of some sort or while in the commision of a felony you won't get a murder support, if you mix in psychiatric issues alot of times its going to focus on pure rehabilitation.

This is very similar to a guy who had shot and killed his "fill in" meter reader for being on his property as an undercover "communist spy". No prison time and once he was stabilized on meds he was deemed no longer a threat to society and released. A little less than 4 years in a psych facility. Of course he still had to answer to civil suits from the victim's family. The thing that reminded me so much of this, was the fact that the article said this guy pulled a weapon on a meter reader before. I'm sure as they start digging, more whacko stuff is going to come out on this guy.

 

[Niltusk]

And the world just goes on spinning...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-claiming-joker-threatens-blow/story?id=16869716

This new "joker" had an arsenal of about 25 firearms at his residence, including semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns, according to a police affidavit. Police said he also had high powered scopes and magazines and thousands of rounds of ammunition in "40 large steel boxes."

Another crazy for the psych ward...

 

[Darth Cruel]

I still think some of you are arguing the wrong point. It is very far-fetched to say that the clown who shot the door-to-door salesman is going to get a light sentence or no sentence due to this law. If you read the law...he isn't even close to covered by it so anyone arguing that it is a bad law actually has absolutely no argument. The court is easily going to reject the defense. It is a no-brainer. He is going down for 2nd degree murder. I hope they find a way to give him 1st degree. But I doubt that will happen.

 

[Niltusk]

I still think some of you are arguing the wrong point. It is very far-fetched to say that the clown who shot the door-to-door salesman is going to get a light sentence or no sentence due to this law. If you read the law...he isn't even close to covered by it so anyone arguing that it is a bad law actually has absolutely no argument. The court is easily going to reject the defense. It is a no-brainer. He is going down for 2nd degree murder. I hope they find a way to give him 1st degree. But I doubt that will happen.

The guy didn't have a covering overhead, theres no support for a stand your ground scenario.

Doesn't mean that without hard support even though covered by law a prosecutor would even try for a 1st degree and doesn't mean they won't bargain 2nd off the table as a preliminary matter.