12 shot dead at movie theater

[sprig0701]

I didn't notice anyone bashing life in the USA - just debating the issue of gun control and why from their own experiences they agree or don't agree with it.

Many from other countries are watching the news on this story and people are being interviewed, polls are being done about whether people are now nervous to go to a movie theater....and no surprise there - many are. Even a few members here said they felt uneasy about seeing Batman for fear of a copy cat killer. So really, he's getting info from news and interviews and polls of US citizens saying they are now skeptical about going to the movies.....So actually, his statement of him going to a movie in Canada without fear, unlike many Americans, has some validity to it.

I don't live my life in fear-- I live in Canada where guns are not viewed as a god-given right and the boogeyman isn't out to get me. Violence happens here too-- but guns are primarily viewed as being used for hunting and home defense.

I'm glad that you live your life without fear with a gun. I live my life without fear without a gun. I think fundamentally it comes down to your country being founded by guns while mine was founded through dialogue. It's sad that some only feel safe with guns. There is absolutely no reason why a guy can acquire the weapons and ammunitions that he did so easily. Cars killing people is a flawed argument. Toasters also kill people who like their toast in the bathtub-- I don't know too many toasters though that dispense 60 pieces of toast per minute.

So you're saying that as a citizen here in the US, his post as a citizen of Canada has validity because people are scared to go to a movie because of overreaction, and nothing he stated-or even the way he stated it- is offensive?

No, that post is completely prejudiced about an aspect of American life vs how it is in Canada. A very small percentage of Americans are scared to go see the movie because of this shooting, not the entire country as someone stated earlier. Those post aren't valid, they're bias prejudices spewed out by a citizen from another country who has no clue about life in the US, but feel they have knowledge of the inner workings of this country.

 

[csi]

You've got to be kidding me?! Now that's crazy talk.

your probably right, but you have to wonder if someone else was backing him with that much money invested in this. Kind of hard to believe that an unemployed man could pick up $20,000 worth of gear on his own.

 

[The Ween]

People outside of the US take what they see in the media and make assumptions on what life here is like.

I live in a small town that is completely safe. Sure, we have our random idiots breaking into cars or whatnot, but I couldn't tell you the last time this town had a homicide.

I'm going with my wife tonight to see TDKR (my 7-year-old, 5-year-old and 2-year-old will remain at home with a sitter) and have zero fear of a shooting at the theater.

These wack-yards are a world-wide disease. People need to get their blinders off realize their security bubble is just as safe as mine is.

I live in a small town as well that is pretty safe.

I have to wonder though, how many Canadians have hunting rifles. Out of the 6 houses around me, 4 I know have rifles. I don't, I have a Colt.

A gun is a gun, and I'm sure Canada has plenty too.

 

[teemu]

as I have stated before, I do not currently own any guns. That will probably change in the near future. As for the cars, well there are far more deaths due to cars then due to guns in this country, so something that dangerous obviously needs to be taken off the street. I don't know the stats on toaster deaths though

lets ban cars!! they kill 100 times more people than guns. I am sure there are idiots out there who would want to ban them.

Guns don't kill people,people kill people

 

[drbrad1975]

the difference is he was sharing HIS opinion and you were sharing opinions you claim were from people other then you. It may be subtle, but thats the difference. Its one thing to share what you believe, its another to share things other people supposedly believe to prove a point.



the other link shows a slide stock that does the same thing and has been classified by the ATF as legal to own.

Yeah I have seen those at gun shows. So far to my knowledge they haven't been used in a crime.

 

[csi]

So you're saying that as a citizen here in the US, his post as a citizen of Canada has validity because people are scared to go to a movie because of overreaction, and nothing he stated-or even the way he stated it- is offensive?

No, that post is completely prejudiced about an aspect of American life vs how it is in Canada. A very small percentage of Americans are scared to go see the movie because of this shooting, not the entire country as someone stated earlier. Those post aren't valid, they're bias prejudices spewed out by a citizen from another country who has no clue about life in the US, but feel they have knowledge of the inner workings of this country.

With how the media is playing this and all the people they interview, you can bet it seems like everyone in the US is scared to go to a movie. What else does he have to go on.

Again, why are you still so bent on this point. You yourself said you don't believe the crap you said about Canada, and since you don't believe it, why bother to continue to defend the post?

 

[csi]

Yeah I have seen those at gun shows. So far to my knowledge they haven't been used in a crime.

as cool as they seem, I wouldn't want one. Ammunition is to costly to start shooting it through an automatic rifle.

 

[DarthNeil]

So you're saying that as a citizen here in the US, his post as a citizen of Canada has validity because people are scared to go to a movie because of overreaction, and nothing he stated-or even the way he stated it- is offensive?

No, that post is completely prejudiced about an aspect of American life vs how it is in Canada. A very small percentage of Americans are scared to go see the movie because of this shooting, not the entire country as someone stated earlier. Those post aren't valid, they're bias prejudices spewed out by a citizen from another country who has no clue about life in the US, but feel they have knowledge of the inner workings of this country.

Please explain the genesis of your country and the Revolutionary War...

 

[Jen]

your probably right, but you have to wonder if someone else was backing him with that much money invested in this. Kind of hard to believe that an unemployed man could pick up $20,000 worth of gear on his own.

I wouldn't be surprised either that someone or some organization may have been backing him because I'm not sure how he could afford such gear - I'm sure his financial records are being studied and we may find out more about this - but to say it was the govt. just seems like pure hogwash to me.

 

[sprig0701]

I'm still not sure where you think people are talking ____ about the US? Granted, I have not read this entire thread - but whether or not someone things our gun laws are dangerous or questionable, could hardly be considered bashing the US. I think you may be the one making mountains out of molehills.

You've been in enough threads cleaning up because it's not what the person means by their post, but rather how someone perceives it.

I'll let this while thing die off so this thread can get back on topic. I apologize if I offended any of our neighbors up North by using that example to prove my point. It was a ____ty example to use, but people who don't live in the US need to stop making assumptions about life in this country based off of overreaction and fear being fed to everyone through the media.

I will again make myself clear- I do not view Canada that way. My honest view of that country from what I see through the media is that it's a clean place with a low crime rate. And cold. Not a bad assumption, and I've honestly never met a Canadian who rubbed me the wrong way.

So peace, love and prosperity .... or whatever. I'm outta here.

 

[BadMoon]

Please explain the genesis of your country and the Revolutionary War...

I think this is the crap type post Sprig was referencing. It's both instigative and offensive. But it's cool and allowed. He's a mod and from Canada.

 

[csi]

I wouldn't be surprised either that someone or some organization may have been backing him because I'm not sure how he could afford such gear - I'm sure his financial records are being studied and we may find out more about this - but to say it was the govt. just seems like pure hogwash to me.

perhaps not ours, but I am sure there are plenty of other governments, and so called organizations that would love to see guns eliminated in the US.

 

[The Ween]

You've been in enough threads cleaning up because it's not what the person means by their post, but rather how someone perceives it.

I'll let this while thing die off so this thread can get back on topic. I apologize if I offended any of our neighbors up North by using that example to prove my point. It was a ____ty example to use, but people who don't live in the US need to stop making assumptions about life in this country based off of overreaction and fear being fed to everyone through the media.

I will again make myself clear- I do not view Canada that way. My honest view of that country from what I see through the media is that it's a clean place with a low crime rate. And cold. Not a bad assumption, and I've honestly never met a Canadian who rubbed me the wrong way.

So peace, love and prosperity .... or whatever. I'm outta here.

Sprig, sometimes you can't win for losing. It's happened to me before too.

 

[carbo-fation]

your probably right, but you have to wonder if someone else was backing him with that much money invested in this. Kind of hard to believe that an unemployed man could pick up $20,000 worth of gear on his own.

Student loans most likely.

 

[csi]

Student loans most likely.

good possibility, along with credit cards, parents, etc. At least I hope it ends up being the case.

 

[Jen]

So you're saying that as a citizen here in the US, his post as a citizen of Canada has validity because people are scared to go to a movie because of overreaction, and nothing he stated-or even the way he stated it- is offensive?

No, that post is completely prejudiced about an aspect of American life vs how it is in Canada. A very small percentage of Americans are scared to go see the movie because of this shooting, not the entire country as someone stated earlier. Those post aren't valid, they're bias prejudices spewed out by a citizen from another country who has no clue about life in the US, but feel they have knowledge of the inner workings of this country.

Gun control has always been a hot button topic not only with other countries with stricter gun laws - but also among our own citizens. US citizens that want stricter gun laws or even go so far as saying they want guns banned are no way bashing the US. (We've seen this happen after Columbine, when the Congresswoman from Arizona was shot and a judge killed, even recently here in Seattle when 5 people were recently killed). They love this country just as much as those who are pro-guns. So just because someone happens to be from another country and doesn't have a pro-gun stance doesn't automatically mean they are bashing the US.

 

[The Ween]

I wouldn't be surprised either that someone or some organization may have been backing him because I'm not sure how he could afford such gear - I'm sure his financial records are being studied and we may find out more about this - but to say it was the govt. just seems like pure hogwash to me.

He was going to expensive schools, so he's getting money from somewhere. If he emptied his accounts, he could easily buy that much gear. It would also depend on his limits on his credit cards. I have a $25,000 limit on one of mine.

 

[DarthNeil]

I think this is the crap type post Sprig was referencing. It's both istigating and offensive. But it's cool and allowed. He's a mod and from Canada.

The original post was in response to a pro-gun law American member stating that it was his god-given right to own guns and that was protected under his nation's Second Amendment. I made the clear (and true) point that two nations have two different ideologies about guns based upon how they came into being... Both nations were originally colonies of Britain but where as one rose up and fought for their independence (I beieve there's some day celebrated on July 4th and maybe a Will Smith movie that also celebrates that take charge attitude) the other colony eventually (roughly 70 years later) was given their independence (the first in a series of stages) without any major conflict. Where have I posted a falsehood? A nation's identity can be based upon its genesis.

Offensive? Read a history book. Mod? I'm entitled to an opinion-- especially when faced with people who are arming themselves for an upcoming apocalypse.

 

[crows]

 

[csi]

Offensive? Read a history book. Mod? I'm entitled to an opinion-- especially when faced with people who are arming themselves for an upcoming apocalypse.

Your safe up there in Canada eh. You can always protect yourself with a snowball or two