12 shot dead at movie theater

[csi]

Is your country in a state of war currently (from foreign or domestic)? Was this act (the shooting in Aurora) an act that can be connected to this attack (foreign or domestic)? That would be a key difference in referencing the IRA situation. If Al-Qaeda took up residence in the US and military were setting up checkpoints everywhere and asking for ID to check citizenship, forcing people to prove their identity -- wait, I've just described New Mexico and Arizona (I kid... I kid...).

It's hard having a debate when the statistics are so varied and can be used in such a variety of ways-- but then that's stats for you.

the point is gun control doesn't reduce mass killings. Here are some more from Canada

Bandidos Massacre
Pig Farmer massacre (Robert Pickton)
Shell Lake Murders
Dishonorable Muslim Mass Murder in Canada
The Winnipeg, Manitoba killings of aboriginal women have occurred in the dozens

no country is immune to psychos to want to kill people. There seem to be more in the US because we have much more people, and a news media that sensationalizes everything. And apparently people in other countries that look judgmentally at everything we do with a microscope.

 

[thenammagazine]

Again, Darwinism would take care of this for us but unfortunately we have too many safety nets (and labels... don't drink this rat poison) set up.

It's possible to do so and still make concessions for the lowbrow, "Nobody's saying you can't diddle yourself, Mr. Smith, just don't put it in a woman."

The IRA were/are a problem. The FLQ were a problem... but the US haven't had an organized (and I don't mean a couple of wackos) group demanding independence have they, in recent decades?

For all intents and purposes the IRA attacks are no different than some of the attacks taking place in Irag right now-- are you going to compare violence in Iraq to violence at home in the US?

I kinda disagree with this. If you look at the gang problems the US has, it's easily comparable to terrorist groups in other countries.

 

[csi]

Very, very true. But if you just break your discussion down to the bare bones...you can work without statistics.

I think in this instance that the differences are so extreme that it'll be hard for either side to convince the other side to budge-- even an inch.

the only statistic your ever going to believe is the one where you or a family member is in a situation where their only way out would have been a gun. I sincerely hope that you never have to experience such a thing, but I honestly believe that will be the only thing to change your mind.

 

[DarthNeil]

the point is gun control doesn't reduce mass killings. Here are some more from Canada

Bandidos Massacre
Pig Farmer massacre (Robert Pickton)
Shell Lake Murders
Dishonorable Muslim Mass Murder in Canada
The Winnipeg, Manitoba killings of aboriginal women have occurred in the dozens

no country is immune to psychos to want to kill people. There seem to be more in the US because we have much more people, and a news media that sensationalizes everything. And apparently people in other countries that look judgmentally at everything we do with a microscope.

Again, it's not an us (or US) versus them conversation-- It's an examination of a horrific act and an attempt to understand where we as a society are and where we are going. The examples from Canada are great, but I (or no other Canadian) have never professed to live in a sanitized Disney universe.

 

[DarthNeil]

It's possible to do so and still make concessions for the lowbrow, "Nobody's saying you can't diddle yourself, Mr. Smith, just don't put it in a woman."



I kinda disagree with this. If you look at the gang problems the US has, it's easily comparable to terrorist groups in other countries.

Good point. Unfortunately this is a growing problem here as well. The girl that died in Aurora after surviving the Eaton Centre shooting in T.O. is an example of that violence as that shooting was (I believe) gang/drug related and more close to home we had a shooting at my closest "urban" city between two competing bike gangs.

No easy solution... a symptom of success (the erosion within).

 

[DarthNeil]

the only statistic your ever going to believe is the one where you or a family member is in a situation where their only way out would have been a gun. I sincerely hope that you never have to experience such a thing, but I honestly believe that will be the only thing to change your mind.

I hope so as well. For now though I live with no gun and also no fear.

 

[csi]

Again, it's not an us (or US) versus them conversation-- It's an examination of a horrific act and an attempt to understand where we as a society are and where we are going. The examples from Canada are great, but I (or no other Canadian) have never professed to live in a sanitized Disney universe.

except its not really "we as a society", its your society, looking at our society, and trying to tell us where our flaws are. Mass murders are an unfortunate fact of life, they sadly happen all over the world. Saying guns are responsible for them is a fallacy, and a gross over generalization.

 

[csi]

Good point. Unfortunately this is a growing problem here as well. The girl that died in Aurora after surviving the Eaton Centre shooting in T.O. is an example of that violence as that shooting was (I believe) gang/drug related and more close to home we had a shooting at my closest "urban" city between two competing bike gangs.

No easy solution... a symptom of success (the erosion within).

so even with gun control there was a shooting in T.O.?

 

[DarthNeil]

so even with gun control there was a shooting in T.O.?

The massive mutant/gun killer Sentinels were all in the shop that day.

 

[BadMoon]

I hope so as well. For now though I live with no gun and also no fear.

Weren't you the person that had someone break into your home years ago?

 

[Valfar]

And if Canada is OK with their government removing their freedom to make that choice...OK. But I am not.

guy sounds like a ____ing disgruntled customer,its common sense FFS.

If hard hats are manditory on the job then helmets should be on the bike if the government decides to let you have a M licence.

 

[thenammagazine]

guy sounds like a ____ing disgruntled customer,its common sense FFS.

If hard hats are manditory on the job then helmets should be on the bike if the government decides to let you have a M licence.

Did you quote the right post?

 

[BadMoon]

guy sounds like a ____ing disgruntled customer,its common sense FFS.

If hard hats are manditory on the job then helmets should be on the bike if the government decides to let you have a M licence.

Should they also tell me to wear a jimmy hat when I hook up with the bouncing aussie beauty?

 

[DarthNeil]

Weren't you the person that had someone break into your home years ago?

Yep, when I wasn't home. And if I had a gun in my home it might've gone into the hands of a drug addict desperate for money.

As it was I came home, found my inner front door forced open, gave my daughter (who was barely two at the time) to my neighbour and had them call the police while I went in (without a gun) to rip someone's head off (and create a violence statistic). After the police did their thing (they arrived in just under five minutes). I was on the look-out for the believed perpetrator (the police shared a photo with me of who they believed did it) and thankfully (for him) they found him first. He admitted to the crime. I sat in the courtroom and made sure that he wet himself (as he refused to make any eye contact with me even though my eyes were fixated on him the entire time) and then justice was served.

I lost money (collection of change), a video camera (with family videos gone forever), and my wife only got back a few of the rings that were stolen. If I had a gun would that have been returned or would that (like the camera) have been pawned and possibly used by a criminal in a latter crime?

I have a new door. I sleep sound and I have no fear. After the events I never even thought once about buying a gun.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Should they also tell me to wear a jimmy hat when I hook up with the bouncing aussie beauty?

A little friendly advice never hurt anybody.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...o-athletes-raising-sex-morality-debate-78563/

 

[Blackthornone]

If hard hats are manditory on the job then helmets should be on the bike if the government decides to let you have a M licence.

Yes, helmets should be mandatory, as they are in CA even for bicyclists. Motorcycle riding is extremely dangerous,and if someone gets in an accident that requires hospital care because they had no helmet on, then that takes away hospital resources from LEGITIMATE patients, like children who are victims of drive by shootings.
Otherwise, people with head injuries who rode motorcycles without helmets should be at the back of the line for medical care.
If people don't give a damn enough about their own lives to wear a helmet, fine, but don't make other people pay for your cavalier attitude towards life.

If someone wants to ride a motorcycle on their own private road and has their own private medical staff and hospital, that is different. Let the wind blow through your hair and through your brains.

 

[BadMoon]

A little friendly advice never hurt anybody.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...o-athletes-raising-sex-morality-debate-78563/

Man I'm doing the wrong job. I could probably get into curling for the winter games. Holy ice skater!

 

[Valfar]

Yep, when I wasn't home. And if I had a gun in my home it might've gone into the hands of a drug addict desperate for money.
As it was I came home, found my inner front door forced open, gave my daughter (who was barely two at the time) to my neighbour and had them call the police while I went in (without a gun) to rip someone's head off (and create a violence statistic). After the police did their thing (they arrived in just under five minutes). I was on the look-out for the believed perpetrator (the police shared a photo with me of who they believed did it) and thankfully (for him) they found him first. He admitted to the crime. I sat in the courtroom and made sure that he wet himself (as he refused to make any eye contact with me even though my eyes were fixated on him the entire time) and then justice was served.

I lost money (collection of change), a video camera (with family videos gone forever), and my wife only got back a few of the rings that were stolen. If I had a gun would that have been returned or would that (like the camera) have been pawned and possibly used by a criminal in a latter crime?

I have a new door. I sleep sound and I have no fear. After the events I never even thought once about buying a gun.

Yup just the same as if you left two loaded guns in your car before you go into a theatre to watch a movie XD, this kinda ____ happens lots, criminals acquiring guns during a break and enter and most of the guns used against someone in Canada are usually stolen or unregistered guns that came over from the US.

 

[csi]

Yep, when I wasn't home. And if I had a gun in my home it might've gone into the hands of a drug addict desperate for money.

As it was I came home, found my inner front door forced open, gave my daughter (who was barely two at the time) to my neighbour and had them call the police while I went in (without a gun) to rip someone's head off (and create a violence statistic). After the police did their thing (they arrived in just under five minutes). I was on the look-out for the believed perpetrator (the police shared a photo with me of who they believed did it) and thankfully (for him) they found him first. He admitted to the crime. I sat in the courtroom and made sure that he wet himself (as he refused to make any eye contact with me even though my eyes were fixated on him the entire time) and then justice was served.

I lost money (collection of change), a video camera (with family videos gone forever), and my wife only got back a few of the rings that were stolen. If I had a gun would that have been returned or would that (like the camera) have been pawned and possibly used by a criminal in a latter crime?

I have a new door. I sleep sound and I have no fear. After the events I never even thought once about buying a gun.

what would (or could) the outcome have been if you and your family were all home asleep? I know you assume your going to Hulk out on the guy, but in reality....

The massive mutant/gun killer Sentinels were all in the shop that day.

damn that sux

 

[csi]

Yup just the same as if you left two loaded guns in your car before you go into a theatre to watch a movie XD, this kinda ____ happens lots, criminals acquiring guns during a break and enter and most of the guns used against someone in Canada are usually stolen or unregistered guns that came over from the US.

damn, its always the US's fault