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[thenammagazine]

The main problem is that it costs money to relocate, and a lot of jobs won't pay for your relocation. And my Wife is like a brick wall, she would just tell me to keep trying to find something here before she would let me move anywhere.

It costs you money to move, no doubt. But it's costing the rest of us money while you stay put. Food for thought.

 

[DarkArtist81]

while I agree that those are all well and good reasons not to move, I struggle with the concept of taking government assistance because of your personal choices. I don't doubt your working hard to find a job, but at what point does being self sufficient take precedent? Should it be societies obligation to help people out because they don't want to move, or don't want to do a particular type of job? And if so, for how long? I guess my biggest question is how can anyone ask other people to give up their money to government assistance programs when there are things they aren't willing to give up themselves?

I understand the moving thing.. I've tried to budge her on that, but she is immovable. And we agree to this with her aunt and I don't want to back out of it and put them in a bind because of our decisions.

And like I said before man, I have applied for any job that I have found that is above minimum wage. If daycare costs about as much per week as I would make on min. wage... and if I am home and taking care of him myself I don't have to pay for daycare.... the logic of getting a job paying min. wage breaks down. It isn't worth the cost. It's better to be home with him until I can find a job that will pay enough to pay for daycare AND bills.

The country gets the best back in it's investment when I put my degree to it's intended use. If I can't do that, I need to at least make enough to pay my half of the bills.

 

[devilof76]

And yes, those things are not related. Gun control has nothing to do with social programs or welfare. So why are we talking about them?

We're talking about them because they are very much related.

Violent crime in this country did not gain momentum until the 70's, after the inner cities began to freefall in the wake of LBJ's Great Society program. Examine the state of your self-esteem as a ward of the state, and then ask yourself what that would do to an entire community, compounded after generations.

We don't have a gun problem in this country. Guns are what tamed the wild west. Guns, and a confidence in the right of good men to stop bad men from having their way. That confidence has been lost at the highest levels of this country's legal system. It's not encouraging if you consider that the people who appear least interested in prosecution hold the power to escape prosecution themselves. It's patently frightening to hear those same people go off about banning certain weapons when they know damned well the problem is not the tool (although, that tool may be a problem for them considering the trajectory of their politics).

This conversation has followed a natural course. People who refused to believe there was an other solution besides assault weapon bans asked for other suggestions. If you're going to solve a problem, you need to examine the cause, and the cause is not an inanimate construction of moving metal parts. If the underlying cause is not obvious, it bears discussion.

We could all sit here and mope, but that's not exactly productive.

And you can participate and still be a productive person, with a job and responsibilities. It takes moments to share online or to sign a petition. You can be active politically without much physical involvement if you can.

How is that not what I'm doing right now?

 

[thenammagazine]

I understand the moving thing.. I've tried to budge her on that, but she is immovable. And we agree to this with her aunt and I don't want to back out of it and put them in a bind because of our decisions.

And like I said before man, I have applied for any job that I have found that is above minimum wage. If daycare costs about as much per week as I would make on min. wage... and if I am home and taking care of him myself I don't have to pay for daycare.... the logic of getting a job paying min. wage breaks down. It isn't worth the cost. It's better to be home with him until I can find a job that will pay enough to pay for daycare AND bills.

The country gets the best back in it's investment when I put my degree to it's intended use. If I can't do that, I need to at least make enough to pay my half of the bills.

Then you do what other hard-working Americans and immigrants do and get two minimum wage jobs. One to pay for daycare and one to pay for everything else, until something better comes along.

 

[averagejo]

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I am curious as to why its impossible for you to move to where the work is? A friend of mine got a job making $50,000 USD a year tax free in Japan, along with an included apartment and stipend for living expenses.

I was going through the training to teach English as a second language overseas. My brother was stationed in Korea, and kept telling me to move over there and teach for a few years to save some money. Then I lucked out and found a job in my career field, but I was driving 1 1/2 hours each way. Luckily it paid enough to justify this, but I was willing to relocate later when it was possible.

I always find it ironic how quickly people say "this isn't the place for politics" whenever the conversation disagrees with their opinions. And I am not just referring to message boards.

Yes, or like someone in here when they start condescendingly talking about this conversation on a "toy forum" like that lessons someone's opinion.

 

[csi]

I understand the moving thing.. I've tried to budge her on that, but she is immovable. And we agree to this with her aunt and I don't want to back out of it and put them in a bind because of our decisions.

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would it change her stance if you could not get government aid? If left with the choice of moving or not eating where would you land?

 

[DarkArtist81]

It costs you money to move, no doubt. But it's costing the rest of us money while you stay put. Food for thought.

I have $21 in my checking account. That isn't enough to move. And if I have paid taxes my entire life without needing assistance, and I use a few months only... I actually paid for it myself.

I don't wish bad things to happen to anyone, but I hope that if any of you ever need to do what I did that you can at least see it from a new perspective and understand what it is like to be in this position.

 

[devilof76]

I can't afford a checking account.

It costs you money to move, no doubt. But it's costing the rest of us money while you stay put. Food for thought.

And nothing personal towards Josh, but it's not like we'll ever get that money back. In fact, the less we need that kind of assistance as our lives progress, the more we are going to be expected to sacrifice. The more we don't need the assistance, the more we're expected to provide it.

 

[DarkArtist81]

would it change her stance if you could not get government aid? If left with the choice of moving or not eating where would you land?

I would just continue to do what I can..... But it wouldn't change the fact that I can't afford to move. I've looked for jobs with a 2 hour drive every day, but even that far away they are not hiring.

All I can do at this point is just apply for what I can and try to get a job in the coming months.

 

[thenammagazine]

I have $21 in my checking account. That isn't enough to move. And if I have paid taxes my entire life without needing assistance, and I use a few months only... I actually paid for it myself.

I don't wish bad things to happen to anyone, but I hope that if any of you ever need to do what I did that you can at least see it from a new perspective and understand what it is like to be in this position.

Been there, but not done that. Worked two minimum wage jobs during the week and another part-time job on the weekend for cash to shoebox until I could find something that paid better. Add to that the fact that I've served but would NEVER, EVER throw that in the face of anybody in defense of abusing the system, given that it's volunteer status, not a draft. I cannot fathom how someone can justify free handouts while making excuse after excuse not to do anything to better their situation.

 

[BadMoon]

Yes, or like someone in here starting condescendingly talking about this conversation on a "toy forum" like that lessons someone's opinion.

I used to have a huge collection. I participated in the Star Wars threads heavily and shared pictures and what not.

I decided collecting wasn't my thing and sold it all to purchase a house. I have since started a family and sold that house for a bigger house out of necessity. I still have no desire to collect.

Why stay on the forums one might ask? Because over the years I have gotten to know a lot of people and enjoy having discussions like this and other topics. I understand it is a toy forum but it really is much more than that.

 

[devilof76]

I've grown more as a person having discussions like this with the people I have come to love here, than I have at any other time in my life.

That is saying a lot. I've been doing this a long, long time.

 

[BadMoon]

I've grown more as a person having discussions like this with the people I have come to love here, than I have at any other time in my life.

That is saying a lot. I've been doing this a long, long time.

Honestly that's why I hang around.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I used to have a huge collection. I participated in the Star Wars threads heavily and shared pictures and what not.

I decided collecting wasn't my thing and sold it all to purchase a house. I have since started a family and sold that house for a bigger house out of necessity. I still have no desire to collect.

Why stay on the forums one might ask? Because over the years I have gotten to know a lot of people and enjoy having discussions like this and other topics. I understand it is a toy forum but it really is much more than that.

I wasn't referring to you, but one of the other people that have been posting in here. He/She repeated it in a couple posts like it meant something.

 

[BadMoon]

I wasn't referring to you, but one of the other people that have been posting in here. He/She repeated it in a couple posts like it meant something.

No I know you weren't. I was just commenting on it.

 

[Blackthornone]

We're talking about them because they are very much related.

We don't have a gun problem in this country. Guns are what tamed the wild west. Guns, and a confidence in the right of good men to stop bad men from having their way.

Tell that to the Native Americans. "Tamed" the wild west.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Add to that the fact that I've served but would NEVER, EVER through that in the face of anybody in defense of abusing the system, given that it's volunteer status, not a draft. I cannot fathom how someone can justify free handouts while making excuse after excuse not to do anything to better their situation.

Working for the Veterans Affairs I heard that several times a day. Even had someone threaten to kill me because they wanted me to give them something that I didn't have to give. (Social Worker working at a hospital, and they demanded bus passes which are only available the 1st of the month on a first come, first served basis....yes, this guy threatened me over a bus pass)

 

[diecast]

would it change her stance if you could not get government aid? If left with the choice of moving or not eating where would you land?

the assumption being that moving is the singular roadblock to his employment.

if there was no assistance, the choice could very easily be between not eating, and not eating.

just sayin.

 

[wofford29]

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