82nd ACADEMY AWARD Nominations

[occulum]

Meh. The tools change. The job and artistry it requires does not.

I completely agree.
I dont care what is used in the making of the film.
They could cross-stitch every frame for all I care. If the angles, composition, lighting etc is there and it works. ..... ?

do classic painters care that modern paints have synthetic ingredients as opposed to their hand mixed natural pigments / paints from yonder times? Id doubt it. How well executed the painting is is what matters IMO.

 

[Ultimate Weapon]

not a bad idea, but the pure cinematography group would be full of indie movies youve never heard of in about 5 years.... its on its way out and will soon end up as a true "art form" only a select group will still adhere to. And that wont be many wide released films Id bet.

I disagree. Classic cinematography isn't going anywhere anytime soon anymore than film stock will be replaced across the board for digital within the next five years.

Filmmaking is an art steeped in tradition and I don't see those traditions fully disappearing for quite some time.

 

[DinoLast]

The point I'm trying to make is that the Hurt Locker defenders keep saying "Yeah, it was flawed" as a broad dismissive statement. I'd like the Hurt Locker defenders to address what these 'flaws' they can look past are.

It seems to me that it is being used as a way to defend their choice without articulating WHAT THEY LIKED about the film.

The story was engaging and had you on the edge of your seat every time a bomb need to be defused, or one of the characters was in danger, as you did not know if they would survive.
You the viewer are made to go on this journey with the main character and you are with him all the way, even though in reality somebody like this is totally disconnected with his family, comrades and society in general.
It's hard to defend it without spoilers.

 

[occulum]

I disagree. Classic cinematography isn't going anywhere anytime soon anymore than film stock will be replaced across the board for digital within the next five years.

Filmmaking is an art steeped in tradition and I don't see those traditions fully disappearing for quite some time.

my comment was in regards to zero-post cinematography. Film or digital.

 

[D. Martin]

It's hard to defend it without spoilers.

I think that after a film wins an Academy Award for Best Picture, spoiler warnings are off the table. Everyone has had enough time to see it.

 

[D. Martin]

I disagree. Classic cinematography isn't going anywhere anytime soon anymore than film stock will be replaced across the board for digital within the next five years.

Filmmaking is an art steeped in tradition and I don't see those traditions fully disappearing for quite some time.

Well, from my perspective, I think it is changing. Five years is a fair estimate.

 

[LOTRFan]

Five or so years from now I would be shocked if there weren't entirely new categories formed.

My opinion, you can't fully comment on the merits of Best Picture without having seen District 9.

 

[LChinoz]

Rewind one year and knock the noms back down to 5 and Avatar isn't even a nominee. Just sayin'.

I strongly disagree. Left in:

1. Avatar
2. The Hurt Locker
3. Up in the Air
4. Precious: Based on the Novel Push by Saphire
5. Inglorious Basterds

Left out:

6. Up
7. The Blind Side
8. An Education
9. District 9
10. A Serious Man

None of 6-10 stood a chance at winning BP.

 

[IrishJedi]

Were it not for the jaw-dropping box office phenomenon of AVATAR, I say some of those on your 6-10 list would have stood a better chance of winning before it, including UP.

 

[lcummins]

I disagree. Classic cinematography isn't going anywhere anytime soon anymore than film stock will be replaced across the board for digital within the next five years...

Have you tried to find film in stores these days? If they even carry it, there is very little to choose from. Film is dying... it is a known fact! Will it still be used by a select few? Sure, but for the masses, print media and even films, it is on it's deathbed.

 

[LChinoz]

Were it not for the jaw-dropping box office phenomenon of AVATAR, I say some of those on your 6-10 list would have stood a better chance of winning before it, including UP.

Sure Box office played a part, but my point is no way Avatar would have been left out if it were still 5 nominees. And I would think in practical terms most people could at least agree that the BP race this year was between The Hurt Locker, Avatar, and Inglorious Basterds, regardless if you liked those movies. And Up, I still contend, stood no chance. Wall-E was a better film all around and got shafted.

 

[IrishJedi]

Have you tried to find film in stores these days? If they even carry it, there is very little to choose from. Film is dying... it is a known fact! Will it still be used by a select few? Sure, but for the masses, print media and even films, it is on it's deathbed.

As an art form, pure film will live on. Sure, its numbers will dwindle... but it will never die. The same way oil painting didn't cease to exist when inks and other visual mediums were further developed.

Dismiss it all you want, but there is a scientific ART to capturing light and image through a lens onto a physical medium. And there will always be some around to continue practicing/perfecting it.

 

[LChinoz]

Again, these films are Academy bait and if any of them won I don't think anyone would be shocked.

1. Avatar - Box office king and all around phenomenon
2. The Hurt Locker - Well known as one of the best war films in years. Momentum on it's side.
3. Up in the Air - Small film that has great word of mouth and lots of nominees (and George Clooney, who the Academy loves).
4. Precious: Based on the Novel Push by Saphire - Amazing performances and powerful story and even more powerful people backing the film.
5. Inglorious Basterds - One of QT's finest.

These films below are simply not the type of films the Academy gives BP to.

6. Up - A cartoon that was great, but still a cartoon.
7. The Blind Side - A great feel-good movie but far from special.
8. An Education - Great performances but limited release.
9. District 9 - Sci-fi action drama, great but not the type the Academy awards.
10. A Serious Man - A dark comedy not one of the Cohen bros. best

Most films nominated for Best Director will also be nominated for Best Picture. Take the 5 from Best Director and you also have the 5 that would have been the BP nominations.

 

[IrishJedi]

Aside from its box office phenomenon, AVATAR isn't an Academy Award Best Picture type of movie either. Not at all. In fact, had it made even relative box office numbers I dare say it wouldn't even have sniffed a Best Picture nom or those other trade awards. I also felt the same way about THE DARK KNIGHT (though the Heath Ledger tragedy was indeed a factor there as well).

 

[Khev]

Aside from its box office phenomenon, AVATAR isn't an Academy Award Best Picture type of movie either.

Yeah the Academy hates epic movies about civilized guys going native and defending oppressed cultures. Add in groundbreaking effects and you've got a surefire recipe for critical and commercial disaster.

 

[ironwez20]

Yea what we need is another war film, dont worry, im guessing sombody will make another war movie that nobody knows about and it will gain so much sucess that it wins best picture. Like it or not the hurt locker wasnt al epic , and i didnt think it earned best picture, inglorious should have won.

 

[ironwez20]

Aside from its box office phenomenon, AVATAR isn't an Academy Award Best Picture type of movie either. Not at all. In fact, had it made even relative box office numbers I dare say it wouldn't even have sniffed a Best Picture nom or those other trade awards. I also felt the same way about THE DARK KNIGHT (though the Heath Ledger tragedy was indeed a factor there as well).

Yor right avatar is just a fun movie, i didnt see anything oscar worthy about it , but it was still epic and i loved it.

 

[Darth Madden]

Aside from its box office phenomenon, AVATAR isn't an Academy Award Best Picture type of movie either. Not at all. In fact, had it made even relative box office numbers I dare say it wouldn't even have sniffed a Best Picture nom or those other trade awards. I also felt the same way about THE DARK KNIGHT (though the Heath Ledger tragedy was indeed a factor there as well).

And the mass uproar that Dark Knight didn't even get nominated probably helped Avatar. The Academy didn't want to go through that mess again.

 

[IrishJedi]

Yeah the Academy hates epic movies about civilized guys going native and defending oppressed cultures. Add in groundbreaking effects and you've got a surefire recipe for critical and commercial disaster.

Sigh...

Wordsmith it all you want, but AVATAR is not a typical Academy Award type film. Neither was THE DARK KNIGHT. And if either had even middling box office success, the nominations would not have been there. STAR WARS, afterall, did lose to ANNIE HALL in '77.

Thing is... we geeks have a habit of seriously over-valuing the movies we like, especially when they become financial successes by tipping into the mainstream. A year from now Joe Sixpack won't give a care in the world about AVATAR. Neither will Hollywood.. until the hype begins anew for the sequel.

 

[KAOSINLA]

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That was hilarious!

Pocahontas not being a "warrior princess"