Abortion doc George Tiller gunned down at church

[Mesa]

I think the gunman should be waterboarded, and then tortured.

 

[Darth Caedus]

This just goes to show you that those idiotic pro-lifers are just a bunch of moronic hypocrites. It's curious, why do they go after the doctor??? He's just doing a service, if you really wanted to show pro-life propaganda, wouldn't they go after the mothers who are getting the abortions? Anyway, they're just a bunch of wackos.

 

[The Ween]

There's the grey line. Some people just can't raise a child that is going to be a medical and financial burden. Personally, I understand but as you said before it really isn't my choice and I want a vasectomy so...

I found someone who's willing to help you out!

 

[Spartan Rex]

To me, it's tragically ironic that a pro-life supporter would use violence and murder as way to get what they wanted.

This doctor worked in 1 of only 3 clinics that allowed such late abortions to take place. Putting morals aside it must have been legal since his career was such a long successful one right?

Here's the thing with this, if it was me and my job was being affected by all of these people that would only make me more resolute to do it more and better. If you are affecting such a change and people are using violence against you then you must be on to something... whether good or bad. I would feel like a coward and a quitter if I let protesting people stop me. I can see why he felt the need to continue his career after being bombed and shot- they gave him no other choice... he couldn't save face.

Interesting perspective.
You believe violence was visited only on Dr.Tiller in this case.
No violence perpetrated on the unborn huh?

 

[Spartan Rex]

This just goes to show you that those idiotic pro-lifers are just a bunch of moronic hypocrites. It's curious, why do they go after the doctor??? He's just doing a service, if you really wanted to show pro-life propaganda, wouldn't they go after the mothers who are getting the abortions? Anyway, they're just a bunch of wackos.

My thats a broad brush you have in your hand Mr.Caedus.

 

[El Roranous]

Interesting perspective.
You believe violence was visited only on Dr.Tiller in this case.
No violence perpetrated on the unborn huh?

Well, I believe it's all violence. Abortion is the ending of a life even though it's not fully developed into an actual fully functioning human. It's all grey. I don't think murdering the Doc proved anything- it only seems to have made matters worse.

As far as abortion goes I think it's the woman's choice. If a person feels they can't be a parent then they really shouldn't be. If this doctor wasn't around wouldn't the female try to get rid of it some other more dangerous way? I also think if the baby can't survive outside of the womb then that baby's life is in the mothers hands- it's hers. Possibly I would even describe it as an extension of her life or another body part. Whether she wants to take care of it or throw herself down a bunch of stairs, she makes the call.

 

[El Roranous]

I found someone who's willing to help you out!

He better clean his blade first... i don't want an infection.

 

[El Roranous]

Well, I believe it's all violence. Abortion is the ending of a life even though it's not fully developed into an actual fully functioning human. It's all grey. I don't think murdering the Doc proved anything- it only seems to have made matters worse.

As far as abortion goes I think it's the woman's choice. If a person feels they can't be a parent then they really shouldn't be. If this doctor wasn't around wouldn't the female try to get rid of it some other more dangerous way? I also think if the baby can't survive outside of the womb then that baby's life is in the mothers hands- it's hers. Possibly I would even describe it as an extension of her life or another body part. Whether she wants to take care of it or throw herself down a bunch of stairs, she makes the call.

I just wanted to add- thankfully I will never have to make that call. I seriously don't want any children of my own. However I do find it incredibly heartwarming and inspiring when the people who do decide to have kids do their job right. When they devote themselves to being absolutely fabulous parents.

If it was up to me and I got pregnant I would really think very hard about getting an abortion. During the first bit of pregnancy I don't really find it offensive because it's just a cluster of cells.

 

[The Mike]

Since this thread will be locked in miliseconds allow me to say this. I'm pro-choice. Not that it matters but I will say this. Those that are Pro-Life are ultimately (for the most part and in extreme cases, not everyone so take that out of the equation) amazingly hypocritical. The Pro-Lifers who are so embedded into their beliefs that they'd do something so radical as this usually are also against contraception because again it goes against their beliefs. So they don't want Abortions but they don't want to teach kids about condoms and contraceptives in general which would prevent pregnancies at the first turn in 98% of the cases. Things that make you go hmmmm.....because you know abstinence which has been preached since the days of Leave it to Beaver and Desi and Lucy has worked so well.....

 

[MooMooEgg]

Its funny, because if you look at animals that give birth to abnormal children, the mothers will either let them die or kill the abnormal child themselves. That's why you don't see any handicapped creatures in the animal kingdom, except in humans and in some domesticated groups of animals that are taken care of by humans.

 

[El Roranous]

Its funny, because if you look at animals that give birth to abnormal children, the mothers will either let them die or kill the abnormal child themselves. That's why you don't see any handicapped creatures in the animal kingdom, except in humans and in some domesticated groups of animals that are taken care of by humans.

Some tribes throw disfigured and hadicapped children off cliffs or just kill them or leave them behind. One tribe also thinks that twins are evil and that they are sharing a soul so one must die.

Humans are much more emotional about offspring and life in general. We raise our young for so long. I know most will disagree with me but I don't think we are that special. Our minds have separated us from true nature.

 

[bumblebee]

Abortion and religion. This thread should go far.

In before the lock.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Its funny, because if you look at animals that give birth to abnormal children, the mothers will either let them die or kill the abnormal child themselves. That's why you don't see any handicapped creatures in the animal kingdom, except in humans and in some domesticated groups of animals that are taken care of by humans.

Dogs also eat cat $h!t, how far do you want humans to take cues from the animal kingdom? Youre swerving into dangerous territory.
Classic survival of the fittest stuff. Whats next,kill all the infirm because of the financial burden on society?
Dont forget Steve Hawking, euthanasia candidate numero uno.

Nazi Germany was progressive that way as well.

 

[MooMooEgg]

I know most will disagree with me but I don't think we are that special. Our minds have separated us from true nature.

 

[El Roranous]

Update- Supposedly they have the shooting suspect in custody. The new article also added this bit of information.

Tiller's killing is "an unspeakable tragedy," his widow, four children and 10 grandchildren said in statement issued by Monnat. "This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."

The family said its loss "is also a loss for the city of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality health care despite frequent threats and violence."

4 children and 10 grandchildren... now that is a large family to leave behind. Sucks.

 

[CelticPredator]

^^^^ this bull^^^^. People need to just use religion as a guide for a better life...not a way to commit acts of violence.

 

[Bannister]

I think the gunman should be waterboarded, and then tortured.

 

[The Craw]

better get this baby in here for ol' times sakes:

 

[The Mike]

I always loved this one.

 

[Spartan Rex]

^^^^ this bull^^^^. People need to just use religion as a guide for a better life...not a way to commit acts of violence.

Yeah, they all sit in the pews on sunday loading their automatic weapons as they get fire and brimstone messages/marching orders from on high.


Who do you think runs and funds those gospel missions in the city feeding and giving shelter to the addicted,homeless and jobless?
Not everyone is helped by big govt tax payer funded programs.
Who sends missionaries to developing countries to dig wells for villages in Africa?
My church just sponsored 50 poverty stricken children in various countries until they reach the age of 18.
Thats no small financial commitment by our churches sponsoring families. I guess they decided to forgo buying more guns and ammo instead.

Seems the "ignorance" is just as great on the other side of the fence as well.