Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

[uscmhicks]

65 million years of evolution - biological, cultural & technological and they're still hunting away on earth in the present day? Seems doubtful to me. And if they were around that long why not just permanently settle on the planet?

Time machines maybe ?.




I'm joking.

 

[a-dev]

Hey if we're still around in another 65 million years I'd expect nothing less than time travel capability by then!

 

[chris rankin]

This question has probably been asked before but I would like to know if by chance in T4 that Kyle Reece was killed then what would have happened to John Connor, would he just dissapear in the future ?

 

[Master Wayne]

The entire timeline would shift in his absence, and mankind would be doomed to lose to the machines.

That or someone else would knock up Sarah.

 

[chris rankin]

So is Kyle actually the saviour of mankind and not John as it is him who gets Sarah up the duff? But if John didn't send him back then he would never exist and if he doesn't exist then he can't send Kyle back.

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

So is Kyle actually the saviour of mankind and not John as it is him who gets Sarah up the duff? But if John didn't send him back then he would never exist and if he doesn't exist then he can't send Kyle back.

Chicken or the egg question.....

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

1.Alien:How long is the gestation period of the chestburster. After Kane had one it seemed like a day or 2(to me anyway)but in AVP, and Requiem it looked like just a couple of hours.

The only real explanation for AVP at least, the Queen had a speed up drug to help make the gestation faster.

 

[Alice]

Re: Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

2.AVP:R: There's a Triceratops skull on the Preds wall as he cleans a Alien skull. Tritops lived 65 million years ago, so how long do Preds live. Could it have been passed down from father to son or a Clan trophy??

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, and say maybe the ship and trophies are owned collectively by this specific clan, and the children of the preds in this particular clan hop on board when they're of age. Maybe the dino trophies were taken down 65 million years ago, but back then the preds still had somewhat primitive tech, and it took three or four of them to bring the dinos down, so the skulls were placed in the "clan" trophy display for younger preds to look at as a sort of memorial to the older preds in a sort of "Look at what your ancestors and clan did, and be proud" sort of thing.
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[Mike the Wolf]

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, and say maybe the ship and trophies are owned collectively by this specific clan, and the children of the preds in this particular clan hop on board when they're of age. Maybe the dino trophies were taken down 65 million years ago, but back then the preds still had somewhat primitive tech, and it took three or four of them to bring the dinos down, so the skulls were placed in the "clan" trophy display for younger preds to look at as a sort of memorial to the older preds in a sort of "Look at what your ancestors and clan did, and be proud" sort of thing.

I think IF the Predators have been around for 65 Million Years why are they still coming down to Earth in little drop pods. After 65 million years I would think they would have Transporters like Star Trek. I like what Faken said, maybe there is Dinos in other parts of our Galaxy or in other Galaxy because after 65 million years I would think they would have the technology to travel to a different galaxy.

 

[a-dev]

Maybe the dino trophies were taken down 65 million years ago, but back then the preds still had somewhat primitive tech,

It couldn't have been that primitive if they were capable of interstellar travel even that long ago. This is my problem with the idea, if the predators were already so advanced 65 million years ago that they were travelling between worlds then surely their technology should be even further beyond what we see of it now in the 'present day', to say nothing of their biological&cultural evolution over such a long period...and thats if we suppose they'd still be bothered with earth after all that time. And again theres the question of why didn't they permanently settle on earth and become its leading species? Why only use it as a hunter tourist spot?? Are we supposed to believe generation after generation of predator all came to the same decision of not sticking around? That they all decided throughout all that time to just wait and see what life sprung up? So the whole notion of them being around to hunt dinosaurs is just stupid to me. The 1715 handgun is fair enough but dinosaurs?? Whose idea was that??[/QUOTE]

 

[Alice]

Re: Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

By primitive I really didn't mean sticks and rocks. I meant primitive to preds.

Sure after 65 million years they could have transporters and stuff, but that doesn't mean everyone would use it. Preds seem to be a fairly hardcore, bare essentials, survivalist type species, so who could necessarily say they would even want certain luxuries like that.

Just because the tech is there doesn't necessarily mean they would use it. There are people today that will go on safari in a Jeep with a high powered rifle and take out their prey, but then there are people who trek out into the jungle on their feet with a pack and tent intent to hunt using nothing but stealth and a bow. The preds seems to be more akin to the latter. I'm sure preds could just teleport in, disintegrate a couple of humans with they're phaser rays and be off, but what's the fun in that?

And just because they came to earth that long ago doesn't mean they came here continuously for the last 65 million. Maybe they came here regularly during the dinosaur age, and then when the ice age set in they avoided earth. Then someone said, "You know, I think I'll go to that planet everyone was talking about with the dinosaurs and see if it's thawed." Then he gets here, finds humans and runs back to tell everyone.

I'm sure there's a smooth way to write in this kinda stuff without raising too many eyebrows if you really sat down and thought about it, but I'm just throwing out ideas off the top of my head.
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[SilentSurfer]

After a LONG night of drinking and watching Aliens, Pred 1&2, AVP, AVP:R, I have some questions.

1.Alien:How long is the gestation period of the chestburster. After Kane had one it seemed like a day or 2(to me anyway)but in AVP, and Requiem it looked like just a couple of hours.

The original Dan O'Bannon concept was that the gestation would take 3 weeks (I actually read some of the Giger's Alien book), but in the movie it was however long it took (24-48 hrs) for Brett and Parker to fix whatever problems they had with the ship after landing on LV 426.

2.AVP:R: There's a Triceratops skull on the Preds wall as he cleans a Alien skull. Tritops lived 65 million years ago, so how long do Preds live. Could it have been passed down from father to son or a Clan trophy??

65 million years, and Preds still using the same technology? Not likely. The only logical explanation I can think of is that the Preds have been to Isla Sorna to hunt down John Hammonds Jurassic Park Dinosaurs. Otherwise it's just more of that, "hey, you know what would look cool, but make no sense in this scene," BS that the AVP movies have come to be known for.

Well the P2 Elder gave Harrigan his trophy with the Pistol so your idea is belivable. Kind of makes them like trading cards though...

The Elder gave Harrigan the pistol because it was his right according to the Predator hunting code to claim a trophy, but the Preds couldn't allow a human to retain anything of their biology (a head) or technology (though there was plenty of that scattered around L.A.--spear tip, shoulder cannon and bio mask in the slaughter house, combi spear in the alley over the side of the building--unless other Preds were always around to make sure nothing got left behind since they were obvisously watching everything). All the Elder could do was offer one of his most cherished trophies which he actually wore on his person.

That Elder was at least pushing 300 years old based on the dates 1715 (pistol) and 1997 (the year of the movie's story). Even at 300+ yrs a generation, it's unlikely that a dino trophy from 65 million years ago would have been passed to down to be displayed on the ship in AVP-R. It's just dumb to be there.

Chicken or the egg question.....

That's why T1 is a perfect circle of time with no true beginning and no true ending, and everything else F'd that up and sucks (storywise).

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

Can't believe Cameron would change the whole, time is circular theory to "No fate but what we make..." Crap! The ability to change the future could be plausible in a circular time system. But the T-1000 as bad ass as it is, couldn't really exist.

Kyle says, something to this effect, "The T-800 is the most advanced infiltrator....". Fair enough the T-1000 could have been a 1 off super advanced prototype. But surely Kyle and his team infiltrating Skynet central may have stumbled across the T-1000 or have at least seen it. If I were a defence network computer I would send the best I have, the T-1000, to stop the only chance of stopping my plan to kill my greatest enemy.

 

[SilentSurfer]

"the Terminator is an infiltration unit...Terminators are the newest, the worst...the 600 series had rubber skin, but these are new. They look human."

You're right. From Kyle's point of view, the 800 is as new as they come.

The only way I reconcile the 1000 (and this is only when I feel like trying to justify T2 which isn't all the time) is that the 1000, being a prototype may have shown up right after Kyle went through, but before the resistance blew the displacement equipment. Or, there is more than one factory/Skynet location with duplicate equipment, and the failure of the first Terminator (since the timeline didn't change) triggered Skynet to develope something new and get it out to try again when John is only a boy. My favorite theory (which is totally my idea) is that the 1000 was sent first from a secret second location. The T2 800 (which would eventually be sent after it) triggered Skynet to send the anit-Terminator T-X to try again to kill John, and to take out the rogue T-800 if necessary if it couldn't just re-reprogram it. Those two having failed (both involving John Connor), Skynet realized the only chance it had was to erase John all together, and it sent the best thing it had left, a model 101 (the biggest and toughest of the 800 series cyborgs), back to 1984 to kill Sarah as a last resort. It just so happened that the site (in NORAD located in the Cheyenne Mountains) where that Terminator left from was the first site the resistance took over.

I've also felt that the T-X looked very gray alien, which makes me want to believe that the second site with the more experimental prototype stuff like the T-X and poly mimetic alloy 1000 (which is a bit far fetched in the otherwise realistic world of T1) is in area 51 where the government would have wanted Cyberdyne's super computers and engineering department to help reverse engineer captured alien technology.

Just an idea based on no canon info, but I like it.

 

[Mike the Wolf]

I'm getting a headache trying to keep this all straight in my head.

 

[Bhoy]

I recently picked up a Palisades Alien special edition bust, It's limited to 250 but the regular run was of 5000.

Does anyone know why they had a run of 250 and is there a difference?

 

[a-dev]

"the Terminator is an infiltration unit...Terminators are the newest, the worst...the 600 series had rubber skin, but these are new. They look human."

You're right. From Kyle's point of view, the 800 is as new as they come.

My favorite theory (which is totally my idea) is that the 1000 was sent first from a secret second location. The T2 800 (which would eventually be sent after it) triggered Skynet to send the anit-Terminator T-X to try again to kill John, and to take out the rogue T-800 if necessary if it couldn't just re-reprogram it. Those two having failed (both involving John Connor), Skynet realized the only chance it had was to erase John all together, and it sent the best thing it had left, a model 101 (the biggest and toughest of the 800 series cyborgs), back to 1984 to kill Sarah as a last resort. It just so happened that the site (in NORAD located in the Cheyenne Mountains) where that Terminator left from was the first site the resistance took over.

But if the 1000 was sent at a secret location how did the resistance find out about it that they then sent their T-800? Surely then, since they knew about this event, they would know about the T-1000 - and therefore Kyle's line about the 800 being the 'newest' again makes no sense.

If I may demonstrate - We know we cannot say ''yeah but it doesn't mean they knew it was a T-1000, for all they knew it coulda been another 800" because the T2 T-800 did know about the T-1000 and its abilities, ergo the resistance knew. And if, according to your idea (which I do like), the 2029 events that lead up to T1 chronologically occur after the 2029 events that lead to T2, then Kyle should indeed know that the T-800 is not the newest or the worst since the resistance has already had to send back its protector against the T-1000 ....


And then of course theres all the time travel related questions - if the T-1000 went through first then surely, from the point of view up in the future, it should have instantaneously been a success since the past (1995) happened like 34 years ago. And if this isn't the case, if changing the past has no effect on the particular 'present' skynet was experiencing (ie. losing the war in 2029) then why bother with time travel at all?

 

[Weyland-Yutani]

RE: the Dino skull

If you read the original Predator comics you will find the the predators intentionally planted the Alien species on planets just for the hunt. It may be conceivable that the Predators have managed to acquire dino-DNA and recreate it (we humans are trying to do that now) to see how tough they may have been for the hunt.

That could justify the presence of the Dino skull in the trophy room.

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

RE: the Dino skull

If you read the original Predator comics you will find the the predators intentionally planted the Alien species on planets just for the hunt. It may be conceivable that the Predators have managed to acquire dino-DNA and recreate it (we humans are trying to do that now) to see how tough they may have been for the hunt.

That could justify the presence of the Dino skull in the trophy room.

Or they are just Alien life forms resembling Dinosaurs......

 

[SilentSurfer]

But if the 1000 was sent at a secret location how did the resistance find out about it that they then sent their T-800? Surely then, since they knew about this event, they would know about the T-1000 - and therefore Kyle's line about the 800 being the 'newest' again makes no sense.

There’s one little factoid that I didn’t touch on that will answer that. In my scenario, the 1000 was sent first from the Area 51 location which is the second location found by the resistance. Only after Kyle is gone, but before they blow the whole place do they discover this location in the NORAD system records.

And then of course theres all the time travel related questions - if the T-1000 went through first then surely, from the point of view up in the future, it should have instantaneously been a success since the past (1995) happened like 34 years ago. And if this isn't the case, if changing the past has no effect on the particular 'present' skynet was experiencing (ie. losing the war in 2029) then why bother with time travel at all?

Let me see if I can straighten this out. This might hurt your brain. You ready…?

I can even do it without totally disregarding T2 and T3. In fact, I can make them even cooler.

Skynet has been sending infiltrators into the resistance with much success, but it still cannot take out John Connor. Somehow John is able to defeat and/or avoid them. The resistance is successfully campaigning toward the NORAD location under the Cheyenne mountains in 2029, but Skynet has access to Area 51 (the government wanted Cyberdyne’s computer systems and engineers to reverse engineer captured alien technology as a side project) and it uses assets there to create a new Terminator prototype using a new mimetic poly alloy derived from alien nano-technologies. Skynet sends this Terminator to the last known location of 10 year old John Connor.

The 1000 could have left an indicator that Skynet would later find letting Skynet know of this attempt at John in 1994, the status of the mission, and the presence of a rogue T-800. Sending the 1000 back would instantly create this information for Skynet to have found. But since John still exists, the 1000 must have failed.

Skynet builds the T-X which has all the capabilities of the 1000, plus advanced weapons and technologies to defeat and/ or reprogram the rogue 800 that the 1000 reported (in T3, the 850 tells John that his (the 850) presence has been anticipated). The T-X fails, but ensures that Skynet happens even though it’s now past due.

Because of the virus upload that initiated Skynet in T3, Skynet knows now about the T-X before it has even sent it, and the presence of John after Judgment Day means that it too has failed. Now, knowing that the 1000 and T-X have failed, Skynet decides to abandon those concepts, and decides to stick with its most successful infiltrators, the 800 series. However, the Area 51 location doesn’t have an T-800 factory, but the NORAD location does, and that is the location the resistance is gunning for.

Skynet knows that any situation involving John cannot end well for Skynet, so it sends an 800 from the NORAD location to1984 to kill John’s mother before he is even born. For this mission Skynet chooses the model 101, the largest, strongest, and toughest of its 800 series combat chassis (built by Cyberdyne based on the remains of said endo found in their factory in ‘84), since it has the highest probability for success.

This is Skynet’s last chance to stop John, but the 800 fails and no record is left as the chip is destroyed and there was no technology available for the 800 to access to leave any info for Skynet to find. The events of ’84 give birth to John, Skynet, and the original timeline again where Judgment Day is August 29th, 1997, and the events of T2 never take place.

By my reasoning there are at least two alternating time loops that have to be occurring within a bigger time loop.

How’s that work for you? Everything is included and works in a believable fashion.