mynnDAWG
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I expect the Hasbro release to be a shadow of the Takara one, at least if the MP Primes are anything to by.
Cheaper it may be but it'll probably look noticeably cheaper too as at least some parts will be molded in a different material to the Takara version to comply with US safety laws.
The teeth and claws on the T-rex mode are quite sharp on the Takara version, so much so that a ( stupid ) child could potentially injure themselves and it's almost a cert they'll get recast in that horrible rubbery plastic leaving the Dinobot Commander looking a bit less menacing, who wants a T-Rex with bendy teeth?
I wouldn't be suprised to see lots of unpainted light grey areas either as they've probably got lots of that color plastic mixture left over from the ROTF lines.
$150 is the most I've ever paid for a TF but Hasbro have too much of a track record of half assing things to make me think their MP Grimlock will be any good and I'm damn sure I made the right move ordering the Takara version.
MP Grimlock is fail no matter who makes him.
bagelsncheesey
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wow, pretty heavy word there. why so down on him? i love my MP Grimlock.
p!tu
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wow, pretty heavy word there. why so down on him? i love my MP Grimlock.
I have to agree. Its a Masterpiece (pun intended) It is probably the best version of him we will ever get. Unless you can build one better.
Deak Starkiller
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Yeah, I don't own him (yet) but considering Takara's track record the MP series is pretty sweet. Why a FAIL! Dub?
The only criticism I have of MP Grimlock is that it's not bigger than MP Prime or Megatron, but it's not a deal breaker as,
A) If you look at the character's size in the G1 cartoon MP Grimlock is perfectly scaled with the Classics and obviously looks a hell of a lot nicer than that crappy Deluxe version.
B) iGear appear to be releasing smaller scaled versions of MP Prime & Megatron so providing Takara's legal department don't drop the hammer it will be possible to have a MP lineup where the scales for those 3 are much more how they should be.
It would still make the MP Seekers a bit out but if they get away with Prime & Megs I see no reason why iGear won't consider shrinking the Seeker mold as well. I think it'd be pretty awesome actually as the Classics Seeker mold is a bit dated now and a Voyager sized version of the MP mold would be awesome.
There's a lot of debate on the TF sites about what iGear are doing but I say if Hasbro/Takara can't be bothered to do something and another company can at a suitable level of quality, who gives a crap about whether it's official or not?
A) If you look at the character's size in the G1 cartoon MP Grimlock is perfectly scaled with the Classics and obviously looks a hell of a lot nicer than that crappy Deluxe version.
B) iGear appear to be releasing smaller scaled versions of MP Prime & Megatron so providing Takara's legal department don't drop the hammer it will be possible to have a MP lineup where the scales for those 3 are much more how they should be.
It would still make the MP Seekers a bit out but if they get away with Prime & Megs I see no reason why iGear won't consider shrinking the Seeker mold as well. I think it'd be pretty awesome actually as the Classics Seeker mold is a bit dated now and a Voyager sized version of the MP mold would be awesome.
There's a lot of debate on the TF sites about what iGear are doing but I say if Hasbro/Takara can't be bothered to do something and another company can at a suitable level of quality, who gives a crap about whether it's official or not?
Ra88
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Because they're still glorified knockoffs that will cost almost as much as the originals? Not to mention that it's a slap in the face to the great designers who worked their butts off to create those true masterpieces!
And who wants tiny versions? That's what the Classics/Henkei versions are for! And I like Prime and Megatron being the centerpieces of a collection while the seekers and Grimlock work better when put alongside the Classics/Henkeis, at least scale wise.
The only thing that sucks about Grimlock is the price; even with all his nice features 150 is still way too damn much for him.
And Dub; the missile launcher is an addon gun, it can already be seen in that pic. Works for me; can you imagine how kibbletastic or fat the arms would have been otherwise?
And who wants tiny versions? That's what the Classics/Henkei versions are for! And I like Prime and Megatron being the centerpieces of a collection while the seekers and Grimlock work better when put alongside the Classics/Henkeis, at least scale wise.
The only thing that sucks about Grimlock is the price; even with all his nice features 150 is still way too damn much for him.
And Dub; the missile launcher is an addon gun, it can already be seen in that pic. Works for me; can you imagine how kibbletastic or fat the arms would have been otherwise?
wow, pretty heavy word there. why so down on him? i love my MP Grimlock.
Too tiny. For the money these "masterpieces" cost he should be at least as big as prime and megatron. If he was bigger id be all over it, praising the toy blindly like everyone else but since he is about as big as a large voyager class toy he is an utter failure in my eyes.
I don't think $95 is too bad for Prime compared to the $200 plus I'd have to pay for the MP-04 set and if a smaller version of MP Megatron fixes some of the stability issues the official one is plagued with due in no small part to the stupidly oversized fusion cannon then I'm all for it.
Henkei Prime & Megatron are OK but are not really great upgrades of the G1 designs the same way others in that line are and I think smaller Masterpiece versions will look way better leading the Classics regardless of their lack of official licenses.
Hasbro/Takara have only themselves to blame for the rise of the 3rd party companies. If they released some of these things themselves and didn't half ass so much of the stuff they do release then people wouldn't be looking elsewhere.
Amen brotha.
Ra88
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Yeah, the MP-04 costs 200 bucks, but MP-01 is much cheaper, depending on the retailer. And the trailer is a nice bonus but not a must have, since it's just spacefiller unless you have him in truck mode. So yeah, 95 is way too damn much, especially when you get the genuin, 12 inch die-cast product for a little more.
And with Megatron, well...The original is already a ^^^^^ to transform and can be quite fragile. Imagine how much worse a smaller one will be made from the cheaper plastics all fankits use!
Megatron I agree on, but Prime? You're missing out dude, it's a great update, even more so in person. But that's personal taste.
1: You forget that Hasbro and Takara have to deal with budgets and unforseen circumstances. Like with the rising oil costs affecting pretty much every figure, from the plastic to the paints, with Leader Prime most noticably bieng a victim of that. And most of the things that 3rd companies make just wouldn't sell; can you really see kids these days buying things like the weapon packs, Ark/Nemesis interior, etc? Yeah, Hasbro could try a workshop for fans only, but Mattel shows how badly something like that can be screwed up, and that's money that's better spend going to the actual figures and their paintjobs.
2: iGear, the ones making the downscaled MPs, are going to ruin it for the entire 3rd party scene. Hasbro allows fankits because it doesn't infringe on their IP (and the designers there also admire some of the work going into things like the City Commander armor). But iGear are just making blatant knock-offs now, and what stops any other fankit company from doing the same down the line? Hell, Fan Projects are already being frowned on with their upcoming Springer, Broadside and Junkion figures.
These downscaled figures could be what finally piss off Hasbro, and then everybody loses. And don't say that Hasbro shouldn't whine and that they should put out better products themselves if they don't like it; how would you feel if things you work on are blatantly stolen, downsized and inevitably loses quality, but is sold for almost as much as what you initially asked for it?
3: How do you mean, 'look elsewhere'? Last I checked you still need the official product for most fankits. You know, the whole add-on thing...?
And stop acting like they almost exclusively turn out crap; most of the time the only thing that sucks is the paint, and that's a temporary thing. The sculpts are better then ever IMO. And Dub; funny you badmouth Hasbro so much while you earn money by repainting their stuff.
(On a seperate note: I don't think Leader Scream will have any cut features. He was designed later then Prime and after the rising oil prices happened, so Hasbro now knows what they can and can't do with it. Paint is still up in the air though)
For me the major problems with MP Megatron are caused by the oversized cannon and from the pics iGear have shown so far they have downsized that in relation to the robot mode so if it can retain more dynamic poses than standing with the cannon arm drooping by his side without risk of the thing falling over at the drop of a hat I don't care about the transformation still being awkward as I'd keep it in robot mode anyway.
The lack of diecast would also be a bonus as far as I'm concerned as it wouldn't get the rusty feet that many MP Megatrons including my own are notorious for getting.
Like Henkei Megatron I've owned Henkei Prime since it was released and think it's nice enough but a similarly scaled version of the ultimate version of G1 Prime would be nicer as there's no arm kibble, fully articulated hands which can add so much to the posing options and other little details like the pop up wrist panels, the opening chest with Matrix of Leadership accessory, and a choice of headsculpts.
I accept that many of the 3rd party weapon packs and stuff like the bases wouldn't sell in the mainstream but would including an extra weapon with the relevant characters those weapons are meant for really have made that much difference to the development budget? Maybe, maybe not.
Any version of Prime or Megatron is IMO a total no brainer though so officially released smaller versions of the MP's could perhaps be targeted at kids who's parents perhaps didn't want to pay out for the more expensive 12 inch versions?
Aside from the dodgy paint apps that is one of the main features of the movie lines ( except for the HA's which are some of the nicest TF's I own ) my main beef with Hasbro lies in the way they distribute or more accurately DON'T distribute certain items in Europe, something which you must be aware of yourself.
Despite being the top selling toy line in the UK in July/August they still saw fit to cancel ROTF Deluxe wave 4 ,Voyager wave 5 and HA Sideswipe with no given explanation which is by no means the only time it's happened.
If they didn't do stuff like that on a regular basis I'd perhaps give more of a crap about who knocks off their designs but as it is I say good luck to iGear and whoever else wants to do it.
In any case I'm sure the designers at Hasbro/Takara earn a damn good living so I doubt it bothers them that much.
If the bubble bursts and Hasbro/Takara do drop the legal hammer then I wouldn't exactly be suprised but there's been some great stuff that we'd never have gotten officially and Takara still make mostly great stuff so it's not like it'd be the end of the world.
The lack of diecast would also be a bonus as far as I'm concerned as it wouldn't get the rusty feet that many MP Megatrons including my own are notorious for getting.
Like Henkei Megatron I've owned Henkei Prime since it was released and think it's nice enough but a similarly scaled version of the ultimate version of G1 Prime would be nicer as there's no arm kibble, fully articulated hands which can add so much to the posing options and other little details like the pop up wrist panels, the opening chest with Matrix of Leadership accessory, and a choice of headsculpts.
I accept that many of the 3rd party weapon packs and stuff like the bases wouldn't sell in the mainstream but would including an extra weapon with the relevant characters those weapons are meant for really have made that much difference to the development budget? Maybe, maybe not.
Any version of Prime or Megatron is IMO a total no brainer though so officially released smaller versions of the MP's could perhaps be targeted at kids who's parents perhaps didn't want to pay out for the more expensive 12 inch versions?
Aside from the dodgy paint apps that is one of the main features of the movie lines ( except for the HA's which are some of the nicest TF's I own ) my main beef with Hasbro lies in the way they distribute or more accurately DON'T distribute certain items in Europe, something which you must be aware of yourself.
Despite being the top selling toy line in the UK in July/August they still saw fit to cancel ROTF Deluxe wave 4 ,Voyager wave 5 and HA Sideswipe with no given explanation which is by no means the only time it's happened.
If they didn't do stuff like that on a regular basis I'd perhaps give more of a crap about who knocks off their designs but as it is I say good luck to iGear and whoever else wants to do it.
In any case I'm sure the designers at Hasbro/Takara earn a damn good living so I doubt it bothers them that much.
If the bubble bursts and Hasbro/Takara do drop the legal hammer then I wouldn't exactly be suprised but there's been some great stuff that we'd never have gotten officially and Takara still make mostly great stuff so it's not like it'd be the end of the world.
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lol, i DONT make money from repainting their stuff, thats the reason i quit doing it as much. I can badmouth hasbro and takara as much as i like, especially when they put out sub-par painted toys, and cancel entire lines and generally screw the UK out of nearly everything, yet charge us double for what few things we do get.
If someone out there can make betters tf's than they can then all the more power to them i say.
If someone out there can make betters tf's than they can then all the more power to them i say.
zerogouki
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Might be old news, but Target has the ROTF Voyager class figures on sale for $ 15...picked this bad boy up today:
Might be old news, but Target has the ROTF Voyager class figures on sale for $ 15...picked this bad boy up today:
Long Haul is part of the mysteriously cancelled in the UK Voyager wave 5. I don't think it's the best in terms of accuracy and really should have been a Leader Class but it's pretty good for $15.
On the subject of Leader Class toys, there's quite a few rumors going about at the moment that next year will see a Leader Class Bumblebee.
Which would seem an odd choice as it wouldn't be in scale with any of the others and if you ask me the following deserve Leader Class toys much more,
1.Ironhide
2.The Fallen
3.Blackout/Grindor
4.Long Haul
Having said that I can see why Bumblebee may be the next new Leader Class as he's a very popular character. Personally I'm happy enough with the HA version but if they could improve on the robot mode even more and it didn't suck as badly as that "Ultimate" version then I'd consider getting it.
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newcollector
Freaked Out
when do you guys think we will be seeing the prime available from sideshow?
Dally
Super Freak
Might be old news, but Target has the ROTF Voyager class figures on sale for $ 15...picked this bad boy up today:
Awesome pic! I love Long Haul.
I was at Wal-Mart today and they had Voyagers for $14. Competition FTW!
*sigh* You yanks have got it so good.
So the US can currently get ROTF Voyagers from all waves for the equivalent of about £7.50-£8.00.
Us Brits can't even get the Long Haul wave for the UK retail price of £22.99 ( around $46 ) because Hasbro Europe won't release it.
Having to deal with stuff like this on a regular basis is largely why I don't have a problem with anybody that knocks off Hasbro's designs.
Us Brits can't even get the Long Haul wave for the UK retail price of £22.99 ( around $46 ) because Hasbro Europe won't release it.
Having to deal with stuff like this on a regular basis is largely why I don't have a problem with anybody that knocks off Hasbro's designs.
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