ALL THINGS TRANSFORMERS!!!!

[bcm77]

When that bulldozer hits 88 MPH we're gonna see some serious ____.

Have they given any kind of specs on how big Herc will be when he's fully erect?

Licenses? Where we're going, we don't need licenses!

Bonecrusher looks excellent and it's also good to see the chest wing is present as it's been the subject of a lot of speculation and it's also intresting to see an orange repaint of Long Haul....was the G2 set that color?

Slightly disappointing there was no Mixmaster proto on display but at this point I think it's safe to say it'll be decent.

When TFC first announced the project a height of 12" for Devastator was given but there's been endless back & forth on the fansites about it and some people are saying it'll be nearer to 14".

 

[DPrime]

Yay, chest wing!

 

[Dubcustomz]

Heres some interesting news....toys based off of Don Figoura designs anyone?
https://www.fullmetalhero.com/content/transformers-related-ish-news-don-figoura-toyline-1650/
Hopefully these will be properly licensed toys.

Silent bob: That post was waaay too long to bother reading, but i did catch you thought i took some moral high ground or some ____?
Just FYI, thats not what i'm about, (if anything its the third party fanboys who do that more often than not) since in this case i have no interest in such a thing, i just know what i like, and as long as people continue to shovel the third party crap down peoples throats, or the constant sucking up/fan-wank stuff continues then im just gonna continue to state how much i dislike them.
Hell, whenever a Hasbro product is released or mentioned here the third party fanboys (and i dont use that term in a derogatory manner, its fine to be a fanboy) always come out and crap all over it, so im just doing the same since im on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Cant have one without the other, its like yin and yang and you cant expect everyone to like the same things either now can you?
And if you do, then you need to wake up mate.

 

[lerath666]

Here, dub, he raised a pretty good question in his TL;DR post.

I'll sum it up for you.

What's your position on this.

3rd party companies make unlicensed toys and sell them.

Customzers make unlicensed customs by repainting an existing toy without permission of hasbro and sell them.

how is a 3rd party unliscensed toy, with original engineering, a bootleg, and a custom that uses someone elses work not
one?

basically, he's saying this about your use of the word bootleg/knockoff.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk"]You keep using that word. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Dubcustomz]

Here, dub, he raised a pretty good question in his TL;DR post.

I'll sum it up for you.

What's your position on this.

3rd party companies make unlicensed toys and sell them.

Customzers make unlicensed customs by repainting an existing toy without permission of hasbro and sell them.

how is a 3rd party unliscensed toy, with original engineering, a bootleg, and a custom that uses someone elses work not
one?

basically, he's saying this about your use of the word bootleg/knockoff.

You keep using that word. - YouTube

A toy which pretends to be a Transformer, but is not due to a lack of an official license is a fake, hence the term knock off.
One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham, to quote the official definition of fake/knock off.
A custom is an official product to start with. (so money has been paid to the IP owner to buy the base toy)

A "Road Bot", or a crappy pound store transformer like you see has original engineering as well, that doesnt make them anything more than a knock off though.

(At least these things dont claim to be something they are not, or cost a ____ing fortune.)

These third party ones are nothing but the glorified versions of the crap you find in a pound store, or the aforementioned "Road Bots", infact they pretend to be official characters like Devastator, Ironhide, Ratchet, Optimus Prime etc, unlike many cheap crappy KO's ive seen who just claim to be a generic "robot coversion warrior" or some ____.

 

[Silent Bob]

Awesome pic Bob! Man this thread got interesting REAL fast, nice philosophical debate on who Prime is and the differences in his many incarnations.

Cheers mate
Yeah, it was an interesting discussion regarding Prime as a character and how he should be portrayed. Very different views expressed well on both sides, with no name calling or tantrums........

Silent bob: That post was waaay too long to bother reading, but i did catch you thought i took some moral high ground or some ____?
Just FYI, thats not what i'm about, (if anything its the third party fanboys who do that more often than not) since in this case i have no interest in such a thing, i just know what i like, and as long as people continue to shovel the third party crap down peoples throats, or the constant sucking up/fan-wank stuff continues then im just gonna continue to state how much i dislike them.
Hell, whenever a Hasbro product is released or mentioned here the third party fanboys (and i dont use that term in a derogatory manner, its fine to be a fanboy) always come out and crap all over it, so im just doing the same since im on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Cant have one without the other, its like yin and yang and you cant expect everyone to like the same things either now can you?
And if you do, then you need to wake up mate.

So you didn't bother to read my post, but still felt the need to comment on it? I guess that explains a lot, particularly how you missed the entire point.

I did bother to read your, almost equally long reply (go me!).

So what you are saying is some people post in a way that you find, annoying, overly critical and unconstructive regarding 3rd party products and Hasbro products. Your responce is to then do exactly the same from the opposite point of view.

I guess what you call "Ying and Yang" I call "Tit for Tat"

Here, dub, he raised a pretty good question in his TL;DR post.

I'll sum it up for you.

What's your position on this.

3rd party companies make unlicensed toys and sell them.

Customzers make unlicensed customs by repainting an existing toy without permission of hasbro and sell them.

how is a 3rd party unliscensed toy, with original engineering, a bootleg, and a custom that uses someone elses work not
one?

basically, he's saying this about your use of the word bootleg/knockoff.

You keep using that word. - YouTube

LOL !!!!

Bob

 

[Deak Starkiller]

I just dumped my Warbot to pick him up. Much as I dug him, Nonsecticons and Nonstructicons > Non...Springer...bot.

I'm still working with my legal team to make an offer on that other thing with the thing and the hula hoop that we talked about.

It's cool, I can get the red ring of death out to you this week.

 

[karamazov80]

I guess what you call "Ying and Yang" I call

I think dubz spent about as much time thinking through his perspective as he did reading your earlier post. I enjoy the exchange of different opinions here quite a bit. I think that's one nice thing about having a forum with such a large membership. But when people are mean-spirited about it and start making personal affronts toward other members, usually demonstrating a fair amount of hypocrisy in the process, then I've got a lot less use for it.

And unfortunately, that kind of thing happens well beyond the boundaries of this thread.

 

[Deak Starkiller]

A toy which pretends to be a Transformer, but is not due to a lack of an official license is a fake, hence the term knock off.
One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham, to quote the official definition of fake/knock off.
A custom is an official product to start with. (so money has been paid to the IP owner to buy the base toy)

A "Road Bot", or a crappy pound store transformer like you see has original engineering as well, that doesnt make them anything more than a knock off though.

(At least these things dont claim to be something they are not, or cost a ____ing fortune.)

These third party ones are nothing but the glorified versions of the crap you find in a pound store, or the aforementioned "Road Bots", infact they pretend to be official characters like Devastator, Ironhide, Ratchet, Optimus Prime etc, unlike many cheap crappy KO's ive seen who just claim to be a generic "robot coversion warrior" or some ____.

Dude, Hasbro owns the Transformers it's their IP. iGear stealing the MP seeker mold out right is bad, other companies designing toys based on classic character (Hasbro's IP) NOT using the same mold...that's something different. Calling everything 3rd party a knock-off just sounds ill informed. Either that or you have a serious problem with the price point (which I understand) and it's putting you off. Either way I guess it's all about how you perceive 3rd party items, at the minimum they are complimentary to official products.

p.s.- Your last post sounded like Dudley.

 

[Silent Bob]

A toy which pretends to be a Transformer, but is not due to a lack of an official license is a fake, hence the term knock off.
One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham, to quote the official definition of fake/knock off.
A custom is an official product to start with. (so money has been paid to the IP owner to buy the base toy)

A "Road Bot", or a crappy pound store transformer like you see has original engineering as well, that doesnt make them anything more than a knock off though.

(At least these things dont claim to be something they are not, or cost a ____ing fortune.)

These third party ones are nothing but the glorified versions of the crap you find in a pound store, or the aforementioned "Road Bots", infact they pretend to be official characters like Devastator, Ironhide, Ratchet, Optimus Prime etc, unlike many cheap crappy KO's ive seen who just claim to be a generic "robot coversion warrior" or some ____.

Transformers/Hasbro/Takara do not own the "concept" of a robot that turns into something else. Sure they are the biggest, practically only brand, but they don't own the concept.

Therefore a company that makes another Transforming figure is not a "knock off", nor is it neccesarily pretending to be a transformer. It is simply a company trying to make money using the same concept.

So your problem with the 3rd party companies is that they are pretending to be transformers and making a profit from from stealing/borrowing Hastaks image rights.

OK a custom started as an official product, but once you paint or mod it it isn't official anymore. My point is it could be argued that any profit you make (above what you paid for the base figure) could be seen as "borrowing" Hasbro's image rights too.


Bob

 

[Dubcustomz]

So what you are saying is some people post in a way that you find, annoying, overly critical and unconstructive regarding 3rd party products and Hasbro products. Your responce is to then do exactly the same from the opposite point of view.

You cant bloody come in here and blindly praise one thing and put down another without expecting someone to have an opposing viewpoint...thats just stupid if you do.

So yeah, when people constantly rip on the movies, the movie toys, or every other official Hasbro or Takara release you can expect just the same amount of negativity to come from me regarding your beloved third party releases since i hate them equally as much as some people here hate the official stuff.


Tit for tat, yin yang, eye for an eye...call it whatever you will.

 

[Dubcustomz]

I think dubz spent about as much time thinking through his perspective as he did reading your earlier post. I enjoy the exchange of different opinions here quite a bit. I think that's one nice thing about having a forum with such a large membership. But when people are mean-spirited about it and start making personal affronts toward other members, usually demonstrating a fair amount of hypocrisy in the process, then I've got a lot less use for it.

And unfortunately, that kind of thing happens well beyond the boundaries of this thread.

The only hypocrisy here is coming from people who think it is ok to bash every official release that ever comes out (not saying anyone in particular), but then get all up tight and confrontational when somebody does the same thing about something they like and that is my main issue.

(i wont mention how hypocratic it is to insult someones intelligence or mock the way they type their posts and then not expect any repercussions from that either. Oops i just did.)

What i take issue with is mainly what i stated above, and these companies who think its ok to charge insane prices for what are basically just knock off Transformers, just like Road Bots and other crap you find in pound stores/dollar stores w/e the feck you call them in your country, who (unlike the road bots for example) are pretending to be official characters from the officially licensed IP's universe.

If they wasnt trying to blatantly copy the official designs, regardless of what "original engineering" has gone into the piece (and then charging a fortune for it) i wouldnt have such an issue with third party products.

 

[Silent Bob]

In hindsight, I really can't be botherd.

Move along, nothing to see here

Bob

 

[bcm77]

This didn't come out quite as well as I was hoping but the light wasn't great so I'll perhaps try again when it's better,

Kapow Toys are on the case regarding my corrected blade part from FP and I'm also waiting for the orders for the custom upgrade kit which now includes a set of wrist mounted guns as well as the G1 pincers, gun and headsculpt.

Whilst messing around with Shrapnel I noticed the left shoulder joint was a bit on the loose side but providing I'm careful it should be OK so it's not really worth the hassle of sending it back for a new one.

One thing I thought would bug me ( bad pun intended ) was the elemental symbol but in person it's OK although I'll still put a Decepticon logo on the area above it.

The c-clip points also allow for a wide variety of weapons to be attached....I don't have many of those but I tried the missile launcher from Straxus and Breacher's cannon on his wrists and they looked decent.

Shrapnel was the only G1 Insecticon I had so this is probably the one I'll like best although the other 2 are looking damn good as well.

 

[The Craw]

the third party stuff is unique and well made. customizers and repainters are all a bunch of theives IMO. hopefully this is short enough for people to read.

 

[bcm77]

the third party stuff is unique and well made. customizers and repainters are all a bunch of theives IMO. hopefully this is short enough for people to read.

Short and to the point!

 

[DPrime]

These third party ones are nothing but the glorified versions of the crap you find in a pound store, or the aforementioned "Road Bots", infact they pretend to be official characters like Devastator, Ironhide, Ratchet, Optimus Prime etc, unlike many cheap crappy KO's ive seen who just claim to be a generic "robot coversion warrior" or some ____.

"Glorified" because they actually look like G1 characters? Or because the quality is high?

I don't know - doesn't seem like a reason to hate them to me. They're just filling a void Hasbro refuses to fill, so... I just don't get the hate.

The only hypocrisy here is coming from people who think it is ok to bash every official release that ever comes out...

Yeah, but who does that? Not everyone likes the movie aesthetic, granted, but most of the people who love the FP Insecticons, Hercules, and iGear releases are the same one who loved Henkei, Classics, Universe, MP, United, RTS, etc... All official releases.

Most of us are buying what we like, not buying out of some misguided sense of loyalty or ethics. The world's got much bigger problems than third party Transformers, after all... Just doesn't seem like something to get worked up about enough to hate ANYTHING that transforms and WASN'T made by Hasbro or Takara...

 

[Misterscruff]

Kapow Toys are on the case regarding my corrected blade part from FP and I'm also waiting for the orders for the custom upgrade kit which now includes a set of wrist mounted guns as well as the G1 pincers, gun and headsculpt.

Any more info on about the G1 custom upgrade kit you mentioned? The un-G1 headsculpt is what bugs me about Thundershred, and if I can get hold of a G1-esque one I'd be made up.

 

[Dubcustomz]

In hindsight, I really can't be botherd.

Move along, nothing to see here

Bob

I saw what you said, and yeah, cant be bothered since neither of us will yield on our viewpoints.

But to answer one of your questions: No, it wouldnt be better if they were cheap.

the third party stuff is unique and well made. customizers and repainters are all a bunch of theives IMO. hopefully this is short enough for people to read.

Well, like i said earlier opinions are like buttholes and what not, and that one just stank up the place.

How exactly is charging for ones time and labor and materials thieving? Especially when so many are so willing to part with their money with no questions asked? Its not thieving if people are GIVING you money and you are providing a service in return.

If anyones theiving its the third parties thieving Hasbro's profits.

Short and to the point!

So you agree with his idiotic statement? Does that mean you dont want the customs ive done for you? Ok, but theres no refunds and you pay for the shipping back.

 

[Dubcustomz]

"Glorified" because they actually look like G1 characters? Or because the quality is high?

I don't know - doesn't seem like a reason to hate them to me. They're just filling a void Hasbro refuses to fill, so... I just don't get the hate.



Yeah, but who does that? Not everyone likes the movie aesthetic, granted, but most of the people who love the FP Insecticons, Hercules, and iGear releases are the same one who loved Henkei, Classics, Universe, MP, United, RTS, etc... All official releases.

Most of us are buying what we like, not buying out of some misguided sense of loyalty or ethics. The world's got much bigger problems than third party Transformers, after all... Just doesn't seem like something to get worked up about enough to hate ANYTHING that transforms and WASN'T made by Hasbro or Takara...

If you cant see the hate towards the official products...the constant whining about how Hasbro wont do this or that, or how much the movies and the toys sucked then you must have tons of people on your ignore list since you arent seeing their posts! lol

Im not getting worked up over everything, its the third party mafia who jump down my throat and demand an explination or a massive debate on why i think differently to them whenever i or anyone else says anything negative about their beloved knock off's.

This whole thing started because i said that people dont need to feel sorry for us who dont like these toys because i dont collect over-priced knock off's.
One simple comment which exploded in to what you see now because, god forbid, we dont all like the same thing or agree on every subject!