Arnold or his Characters

[Theokan]

it's no surprise his brain resides in the genitalia but he should at least some fortitude to come out and face this like a man instead of running away like a church mouse and then insulting his fans by turning his back on anticipated roles for his comeback. he's a coward. i guess i now know what you californians went through for eight rotten years.

Dude, it's called taking care of personal matter, if he's in serious trouble with his personal life and family members, its no surprise that he'll put the business stuff aside til he gets everything sorted out. LoL at the "insulting his fans" part, why should he put strangers before his immediate family? He's in serious deep ____ right now, give the man some personal time to recover and you'll get your T5, kids these days lol!

And a coward is someone who continuously deny their mistakes by lying to others and even to themselves. Arnold did face it like a man by owning up to his mistakes. He admitted to everything without denial, and that's really the best one can do at this stage.

 

[thenammagazine]

See...whenever u open you mouth, your ignorance is apparent. You obviously don't know jack ____ about Detroit in the 80s. So your metaphor about ******* Palin makes no sense at all and is waaaaayyyy off base. Try picking up a book about the gangs that ruled this city back then. Here I will even help u with ur search "White Boy Rick", "YBI", "Pony Down"...try those out and see if u can enlighten yourself before that flap...well, keeps flapping. And yeah Detroit and Central PA are like twin cities...again, ignorance. And since you don't know what the word means but seemed to be consumed by it it only means a lack of knowledge.

My comment was regarding your advice to him. You should take your own. I wouldn't be naive enough to compare the two cities, nor would I be naive enough to compare Detroit and LA and assume that just because there may have been relative issues, that makes me an expert. But that's what you're fronting. They're two different cities, two different beasts entirely. Unless you lived there, you wouldn't know. You didn't. You don't.

And I would be the First to agree that TW was a terrorist. Sure he was. He even said, and I mentioned it back in this thread that he was responsible for the environment that set that deed in motion even if he never admitted to being the actual trigger man. So maybe you should read a little further back or search "Tookie Williams" as u instructed someone to search for Benoit so you don't waste time stating the obvious

Ah, now it makes sense. You support terrorism then. That's the gist of what you're saying since you support Tookie, right?

 

[karamazov80]

Autopsy revealed and DC lists dementia as the cause. I'm gonna have to go with that.

That's fine, but no one can truly know motivation and cause in something like that. I know he was responsible for choosing his profession which led to his injuries. And I know what he ultimately did. No one knows the rest of the story. And that's enough to tell me that I don't want his figure on my shelf.

But there were other potential motivations at play than "dementia" alone:

https://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2008/02/15/benoit_0217.html

 

[thenammagazine]

That's fine, but no one can truly know motivation and cause in something like that. I know he was responsible for choosing his profession which led to his injuries. And I know what he ultimately did. No one knows the rest of the story. And that's enough to tell me that I don't want his figure on my shelf.

But there were other potential motivations at play than "dementia" alone:

https://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2008/02/15/benoit_0217.html

Those "a friend of a friend" stories don't hold any weight. Most of the time it's some douche looking for attention for something or another and hoping to capitalize off of a tragedy to read their name in the press. I'm certain if that had been the case his wife's family would've spoken up during the investigation.

 

[karamazov80]

A friend of Nancy's (as well as her sister) isn't a "friend of a friend," IMO. But apart from that, there are clearly conflicting opinions by folks that knew him. You want to believe those who suggest it was beyond his control. I'm saying that I don't know one way or the other, but I certainly don't think there's enough evidence to prove that he was not at all responsible for what he did.

 

[thenammagazine]

A friend of Nancy's (as well as her sister) isn't a "friend of a friend," IMO. But apart from that, there are clearly conflicting opinions by folks that knew him. You want to believe those who suggest it was beyond his control. I'm saying that I don't know one way or the other, but I certainly don't think there's enough evidence to prove that he was not at all responsible for what he did.

I believe what was shown as far as facts. The rest is pure speculation. Whether his wife was leaving him or not, his brain clearly showed signs of dementia. Again, I'm not stating it justifies what he did, but it's the only tangible evidence of an explanation.

 

[dano669]

Who cares what arny did that's between him, his ex wife, the other women( who ever the hell she is) and the kid. What I want to know is why did she wait so long to come out. I guess she got tired if the kid asking " who is my daddy and what does he do". And it's her own fault she knew arny loves the bergina and she got her self sperminated.
Arnold is still a legend in my book

 

[karamazov80]

I believe what was shown as far as facts. The rest is pure speculation. Whether his wife was leaving him or not, his brain clearly showed signs of dementia. Again, I'm not stating it justifies what he did, but it's the only tangible evidence of an explanation.

But any argument of causality is speculation in the face of very sparse, circumstantial evidence. The fact that he had brain damage doesn't necessarily explain anything. I did get the impression that you thought the brain damage excused his actions, though, which is implicit in an argument that he's not responsible.

 

[thenammagazine]

But any argument of causality is speculation in the face of very sparse, circumstantial evidence. The fact that he had brain damage doesn't necessarily explain anything. I did get the impression that you thought the brain damage excused his actions, though, which is implicit in an argument that he's not responsible.

I didn't say "excused" I said "explained." Does it make the deaths any less tragic? No. I just never saw a reason to demonize Benoit over it and the more I looked at it, the more I saw it being self-loathing fans and a business that wants to avoid a bullet in case it came back a result of roid rage (which it didn't).

 

[Lee in MI]

My comment was regarding your advice to him. You should take your own. I wouldn't be naive enough to compare the two cities, nor would I be naive enough to compare Detroit and LA and assume that just because there may have been relative issues, that makes me an expert. But that's what you're fronting. They're two different cities, two different beasts entirely. Unless you lived there, you wouldn't know. You didn't. You don't.

And you know NOTHING about either city...and I would venture to guess you have no first hand knowledge about gangs or gang related activity...so why are you in this particular part of the discussion again

And I don't assume to be an expert but I have read up on the issues and histories of gangs along with living directly in a city that was plagued by the problem for many many years. Not to mention belonging to one myself growing up. I don't trust that some rent a cop from PA has any relative knowledge of what any gangs were like...in Detroit or LA.

Ah, now it makes sense. You support terrorism then. That's the gist of what you're saying since you support Tookie, right?

Yeah sure that's it...I support terrorism. Long live the spirit of Osama Bin Laden...oh yeah...and Tookie Williams

You obviously haven't taken the time to go back and read for understanding. So try again...after you read from page 1!!! I said I originally had a problem with AS's decision to support execution...particularly that involving the TW case. I didn't profess to support TW for his past deeds at all. But ignorance being what it is causes people to read certain things and get a completely misunderstanding of what was written. Are you a product of public schooling...? That might explain things a little...

 

[dano669]

Lol I love how topics on this forum change to something that has nothing to do with the subject.
Too funny

 

[thenammagazine]

And you know NOTHING about either city...and I would venture to guess you have no first hand knowledge about gangs or gang related activity...so why are you in this particular part of the discussion again

I have read up on the issues and histories of gangs along with living directly in a city that was plagued by the problem for many many years. Not to mention belonging to one myself growing up. I don't trust that some rent a cop from PA has any relative knowledge of what any gangs were like...in Detroit or LA.

This just further exposes your naivete. Living in Detroit and reading a book makes you an expert on the gang problems in South Central Los Angeles?

Yeah sure that's it...I support terrorism. Long live the spirit of Osama Bin Laden...oh yeah...and Tookie Williams

You obviously haven't taken the time to go back and read for understanding. So try again...after you read from page 1!!! I said I originally had a problem with AS's decision to support execution...particularly that involving the TW case. I didn't profess to support TW for his past deeds at all. But ignorance being what it is causes people to read certain things and get a completely misunderstanding of what was written. Are you a product of public schooling...? That might explain things a little...

It never fails here on SSF, to expose trolls, especially with someone who jumps the gun calling people ignorant for questioning their credibility when it's them who fit that label to a "T." They're usually easily spotted because when their argument is exposed as having no right or reason, they stoop to irrelevant personal insults because the reality of the situation is that they'd rather provoke the counter argument into infraction territory than elevate their end of the discussion with proof (because they can't). I'll let you have this one without reporting you but you should really go back and read everything you've written. It's pure rubbish and you've completely failed to prove anything other than because you read books and lived in a city thousands of miles away, that makes you an expert in Los Angeles gangs and based on that expertise, support terrorists like Tookie Williams.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

 

[Violator66]

Explosive stuff my friends...explosive stuff....

 

[Lee in MI]

This just further exposes your naivete. Living in Detroit and reading a book makes you an expert on the gang problems in South Central Los Angeles?



It never fails here on SSF, to expose trolls, especially with someone who jumps the gun calling people ignorant for questioning their credibility when it's them who fit that label to a "T." They're usually easily spotted because when their argument is exposed as having no right or reason, they stoop to irrelevant personal insults because the reality of the situation is that they'd rather provoke the counter argument into infraction territory than elevate their end of the discussion with proof (because they can't). I'll let you have this one without reporting you but you should really go back and read everything you've written. It's pure rubbish and you've completely failed to prove anything other than because you read books and lived in a city thousands of miles away, that makes you an expert in Los Angeles gangs and based on that expertise, support terrorists like Tookie Williams.

Hey Nam...go and report away. I think you're the only one here who has been banned for any length of time.

As I said, I never reported to be an expert on LA gangs and you continuing to say that crap doesn't make it true. But here's a little tid bit of knowledge for you, most "experts" become experts by studying a subject, ie terrorist experts aren't actually terrorist. They study the subject by, and I know you can't accept this!, by reeeeaaaaddddding about it and having first hand experience with that subject. I know that may be hard to accept for you since reading is somehow frowned upon by you.

A real troll is someone who jumps in on a discussion that they had NOTHING to do with them...uh...that would be you. That's right Mr. Banned, you fit the bill to a T! This discussion about gangs and TWs occured betweem me and another poster. YOU trolled in to add your ignorant comments that really were uncalled for.

And for the record, I didn't call you ignorant because you "exposed" anything I said. You're ignorant because of the false, implied and inaccurate things YOU said. See...your ignorance is exposed again! You can't even recall the conversation the way it happened. That shows a lack of knowledge...ignorance.

And tell me, if you can with any type of discernable intelligence, how does asking you if you were a product of public school equate to a personal insult?!?!? Its a question?!!!!! Its rhetorical, do you understand that word?, so you don't have to answer it but it's certainly not a personal insult.

You, more than any other person on this board, always end up in these types of confrontational discussions. YOU usually end up losing your temper and let your true ignorance shine through and start hurliing insults like "troll", "douch" or "idiot" and sometimes worst things than that and get yourself leveled with infractions. I applaud you for almost staying civil this time, at least enough to keep you from getting reported. Good Job! But in reality, you bring this type of thing on yourself because you enter into discussions just to be a protagonist. You quite often don't add any real substance to the discussion and usually more than likely derail the topic way off base...case in point.

Here's a suggestion Bro..........BREATH!!!!!

Everything you read that you don't agree with you don't have to make a comment about. For instance, your comments about Benoit. I found those to be simplistic at best but certainly dismissive of his crimes but I chose to let that ride. I didn't interject my opinions into the discussion between you and K...that would be trolling. And you sir, fit the bill!

 

[thenammagazine]

Hey Nam...go and report away. I think you're the only one here who has been banned for any length of time.

As I said, I never reported to be an expert on LA gangs and you continuing to say that crap doesn't make it true.

A real troll is someone who jumps in on a discussion that they had NOTHING to do with them...uh...that would be you. That's right Mr. Banned, you fit the bill to a T! This discussion about gangs and TWs occured betweem me and another poster. YOU trolled in to add your ignorant comments that really were uncalled for.

And for the record, I didn't call you ignorant because you "exposed" anything I said. You're ignorant because of the false, implied and inaccurate things YOU said. See...your ignorance is exposed again! You can't even recall the conversation the way it happened. That shows a lack of knowledge...ignorance.

And tell me, if you can with any type of discernable intelligence, how does asking you if you were a product of public school equate to a personal insult?!?!? Its a question?!!!!! Its rhetorical, do you understand that word?, so you don't have to answer it but it's certainly not a personal insult.

You, more than any other person on this board, always end up in these types of confrontational discussions. YOU usually end up losing your temper and let your true ignorance shine through and start hurliing insults like "troll", "douch" or "idiot" and sometimes worst things than that and get yourself leveled with infractions. I applaud you for almost staying civil this time, at least enough to keep you from getting reported. Good Job! But in reality, you bring this type of thing on yourself because you enter into discussions just to be a protagonist. You quite often don't add any real substance to the discussion and usually more than likely derail the topic way off base...case in point.

Here's a suggestion Bro..........BREATH!!!!!

Everything you read that you don't agree with you don't have to make a comment about. For instance, your comments about Benoit. I found those to be simplistic at best but certainly dismissive of his crimes but I chose to let that ride. I didn't interject my opinions into the discussion between you and K...that would be trolling. And you sir, fit the bill!

 

[Lee in MI]

LOL!

Nice...thanks for finally showing your face!

And let me just add you're right. US inner cities have no real relevance toward each other.

Poverty...NOPE!

Crime...NOPE!

Gangs...NOPE!

Police Brutality...NOPE!

High Murder Rates...NOPE!

Drugs...NOPE!

Destabilized Families...NOPE!

Inadequete Schools...NOPE!

Joblessness...NOPE!

Apathy...NOPE!

High Teen Pregnancy...NOPE!


See, you're right. Cities actually have no relation to each other at all...

 

[thenammagazine]

LOL!

Nice...thanks for finally showing your face!

Ha. I'm not the terrorist sympathizer pretending to be an expert on gangs because I read a book about them and live in a town thousands of miles away.

 

[Lee in MI]

terrorist sympathizer

WOW!!! You don't even pick up on sarcasm

More of your usual over generalization...

 

[DiFabio]

oversimplification

I think you mean over generalization bro.