Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)

[cilantropants]

crows really, really, REALLY needs people to feel about the movie the way he does. Little fella's been trying so hard.

 

[e30ernest]

We get it, you and a lot of other people didn't like it. You are entitled to that opinion.

Some of us do though, and we are likewise entitled to like it. No need to convince each other if it was great or not.

 

[IXI Nick IXI]

I've liked the movie more and more with each viewing. I recommend you guys try watching it several times. There's so much in it but by my third viewing it felt more fluid and much more like a comic book brought to life. Very fun and entertaining movie.

 

[Niltusk]

Joss hasn't said a single thing that surprises me, at this point everyone knows Marv has an overall agenda and coloring has to be within their lines, thanks for the movies Joss, but its time to go back to original projects.

 

[Rorywan]

Reminds me of Alien 3, lots of the criticisms of that movie stemmed from things Fincher was forced to do, seems like Avengers was everything Whedon wanted but AOU is not, probably the studio that made him cut down the run time too. Sure 3 hours plus is long, but I think with Avengers you have to make exception, there are a lot of characters in the story.

Yes, Fincher had an unbelievable time on Alien3, they suits would arrive every few days and cross scenes off his shooting list and tell him to add this or that. I'm really amazed Whedon was treated badly after basically making Marvel the huge property it is now.

I would have loved another 20-30 minutes of footage, my biggest complaint about the movie was its patchy first half. I think Whedons original cut would have been much better. I doubt we will ever see it though, we may get unfinished deleted scenes on the blu-ray but I doubt we will see finished material.

 

[crows]

We get it, you and a lot of other people didn't like it. You are entitled to that opinion.

Some of us do though, and we are likewise entitled to like it. No need to convince each other if it was great or not.

im not sure i hate the movie because i need to see it again. just think is really funny. the news that keep coming out and the controversy behind the movie is kind of hilarious i was not expecting any of this to happen which makes it more funny
this is just very amusing to me

I dont even look for it, it keeps showing up on my facebook feed lol. just now i saw this,

 

[Rorywan]

Avengers director Joss Whedon quits Twitter - BBC News

Whedon quits Twitter.

 

[carbo-fation]

Here it is:

"Beaten Down!"

If you thought that scene in Avengers: Age of Ultron with Thor (Chris Hemsworth) and Erik Selvig (Stellan Skarsgard) in the cave felt tacked on, you have a pal who agrees with you and his name is… Joss Whedon? Yep, apparently the mastermind had other masters to mind at Marvel while making the movie, which he discussed candidly with the Empire Film Podcast (via Heat Vision, The Playlist). Needless to say, spoilers ahead.

“The dreams were not an executive favorite — the dreams, the farmhouse, these were things I fought to keep,” Whedon said of the horrific visions induced by Scarlet Witch and the rural sequence with Hawkeye’s family. “With the cave, it really turned into: they pointed a gun at the farm’s head and said, ‘Give us the cave, or we’ll take out the farm,’ — in a civilized way. I respect these guys, they’re artists, but that’s when it got really, really unpleasant.”

Ironically, after the scene was shot and integrated into the film, test audiences didn’t respond well to it — as most regular audiences experienced this weekend as well — and Disney execs wanted it excised entirely, with Thor’s absence referenced verbally but not visually.

Whedon admits, “I was so beaten down at that point that I was like, ‘Sure, OK — what movie is this?’ And the editors were like, ‘No. You have to show the [events in the cave]. You can’t just say it… I do feel they threw out the baby with the pond water.”

Marvel demanded a drastically-reduced version of Thor’s cave bath included so as to allude to the Infinity Stones that will play a critical role in the franchise’s future but do not have much bearing on the events of Age of Ultron. Whedon also wanted to include Captain Marvel and Spider-Man, but studio politics prevented that from happening in time, so Captain America has to make do with a new Avengers roster that includes Black Widow, The Falcon, War Machine, The Vision and Scarlet Witch.

“I wanted all those people, but I said, ‘It would be great if we could add a few more [characters], if we could have a Captain Marvel there, now that you’ve made a deal,’ and they talked about it,” Whedon said. “And I was like, ‘And Spider-Man, we could do that too, ’cause Sony had approached us during the first movie about a little integration. So I would have put both of [those characters] in, but neither of the deals were made.”
Later in post-production Marvel told Whedon, “‘We’re making a Captain Marvel movie and we’ve got Spider-Man as a property,’ and I’m like, ‘I’ve already locked my film you *****kers! Thanks for nothing.”

Earlier this week, Whedon also made reference to a scene he shotwith Tom Hiddleston as Loki walking Thor through his dream that was excised, saying, “I really wanted to have Loki in it but I understood the decision.” That language makes it sound like it was not his decision to make, which apparently it wasn’t.

“He’s so important to the mythos, and they’re like, ‘We can’t get Tom. We can’t make a deal,” Whedon recounts. “‘You can have Idris!’ I was like, ‘Oh, I love Idris! This is great!’ And then I talked to Tom and said… ‘I would never pressure you, but I really feel like it would be great if you could do this, and he was like, ‘Sure.’ And they’re like, ‘But we already have Idris!’ And again, I had no problem there. Everybody’s in! We had Loki in the second part of [Thor’s] dream and [Marvel] was like, ‘Well that doesn’t work and we don’t want to introduce Loki’ this late.’”

Whedon goes on to describe the scene fully: “We even had a little reference to the fact that he’s taken the throne, which was Tom doing his Anthony Hopkins impression when Thor says, ‘Oh, what would father say?’ Then Tom does his Hopkins impression, and Thor’s like, ‘That is uncanny!’ It’s sort of like his subconscious is telling him that Loki was imitating his father. But he would never make that connection.”

Lest you think poor, beleaguered Joss Whedon did not get his way on anything, he fought the good fight to have Quicksilver die and got his wish in the final cut, although scenes that depicted Aaron Johnson’s speedy Pietro Maximoff as a fast operator with the ladies were lost, possibly due to time constraints.

“It’s disingenuous to make, as I refer to it, a war movie and say there is no price,” Whedon stated. “In this movie we’re saying, ‘prove to me that you guys are heroes.’ And [Quicksilver] is the guy who is the least… the most arrogant, the most annoying — if you watch the DVD extras, an incredible p**sy hound — and Hawkeye genuinely hates him and that’s the guy who saves him. I knew that it would be resonant and it would make everything work and matter more. I said [to Johnson], ‘The only thing that would keep you alive is if the Disney executives say, ‘Idiot, it’s a franchise and we need all these people and you’re not allowed to kill them.’”

Preposterous as it sounds, those scenes WERE shot, though.

“We did actually shoot him in the last scene, in an outfit with his sister,” Whedon admits. “And we did shoot him waking up from his, ‘Ahh! I didn’t really die from these 47 bullet wounds!’ but the intent was always that we were going to earn this and then you have to stand by it.”

Loved this movie. I'll be sad to the JW go. He's the perfect director for these types multi-hero movies. I'm really hoping we get a directors cut with extra footage.

I have my reservations about the Russo brothers for the next Avengers movies. They did a good job with Cap-WS but not sure if they're up for the next two Avengers movies.

 

[carbo-fation]

Why is Thor always so underpowered?? If I didn't know any better, the Cap in this movie could've mopped the floor with Thor.

 

[Irvy]

Thor has as much power as Tim Allen in tooltime with that hammer.

 

[Rorywan]

I admire Whedon for speaking up now that he has fulfilled his contract with Marvel. Between this and Edgar Wright/Antman it seems like they are not particularly pleasant to work with. Hopefully Gunn won't have a similar experience on GOTG2.

The Russos? I don't know, I think they could be in for a few years of hell.

 

[jye4ever]

Idk, the stuff he's complaining about just doesn't seem like that big a deal, few cuts here and there, nothing that would've changed the story they're presenting.

It would've changed how it was told in a few places, but the core elements would've remained.

Boooo, movie made only 191 miliion opening weekend, get over it.

 

[DFanatic]

Why is Thor always so underpowered?? If I didn't know any better, the Cap in this movie could've mopped the floor with Thor.

Yeah, Thor is underpowered. He has been from the get go and it used to bother me a first but now think his strenght level is fine for the MCU. Everything and everyone is severely underpowered in this universe. Ultron was never really a challenge in the movie but in the comics he is damn near invincible.

I think it helps ground the movie more and it evens out the characters. More team focused if all characters are more or less on the same level.

I think it's safe to say that Vision, Hulk and Thor are top tier, followed by Cap and IM then Hawkeye and Black Widow.

 

[Irvy]

Lawl at the feminazis attacking Whedon on twitter. Is there anything that DOESN'T upset them?

 

[The Ween]

even 9 year old boys HATED this movie...

Oh My God looking for news about AOU is much more entertaining than watching the movie itself

this kid blows the movie away

BOOM!





Avengers: Age of Ultron Reviewed By a Nine-Year Old Kid

A 9-Year-Old Wrote A Review Of




(There are GROWN men in the comments trashing the review of a 9 year old... Marvel fans having panic attacks, oh this is the gift that keeps on giving )

ONE 9 year old with the help of daddy's opinion I'm sure. 9 year olds don't write like that.

 

[The Ween]

crows really, really, REALLY needs people to feel about the movie the way he does. Little fella's been trying so hard.

That's our crows! He's still slamming Five Armies in that thread.

 

[jye4ever]

It's ok, i'm still slamming MOS everywhere, today wil be in the Godzilla thread.

 

[YoNoSe]

even 9 year old boys HATED this movie...

Oh My God looking for news about AOU is much more entertaining than watching the movie itself

this kid blows the movie away

BOOM!





Avengers: Age of Ultron Reviewed By a Nine-Year Old Kid

A 9-Year-Old Wrote A Review Of




(There are GROWN men in the comments trashing the review of a 9 year old... Marvel fans having panic attacks, oh this is the gift that keeps on giving )

Yeah....it's a great time to be alive.

 

[chewblacca]

It's ok, i'm still slamming MOS everywhere, today wil be in the Godzilla thread.

Let me know if you need any help with that, Jye!

 

[jye4ever]

You should see the reaction when I do it at church.