Avengers: Endgame

[chewblacca]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Although I understand Jaws’ feelings on Hulk being under represented in EG I still thought Banner/Hulk was a necessary character to move the plot along. I love his big smile after bringing Scott back and him standing there with his jazz hands screaming, “Time travel!”

 

[MaulFan]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

So Hulk snap did not impress you lol

Yeah I hear you dude unfortunately same for me.

But I did PO the HT Cap!



always a silver lining somewhere.

It's the version of the Hulk who did it that didn't wow me, I like the "Hulk smash" primitive Hulk, professor Hulk in any form just doesn't do it for me. In fact, had it been a primitive Hulk who did the snap that would have been even cooler, taming him and getting through to him just long enough to do what was needed.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

It's the version of the Hulk who did it that didn't wow me, I like the "Hulk smash" primitive Hulk, professor Hulk in any form just doesn't do it for me. In fact, had it been a primitive Hulk who did the snap that would have been even cooler, taming him and getting through to him just long enough to do what was needed.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

It's the version of the Hulk who did it that didn't wow me, I like the "Hulk smash" primitive Hulk, professor Hulk in any form just doesn't do it for me. In fact, had it been a primitive Hulk who did the snap that would have been even cooler, taming him and getting through to him just long enough to do what was needed.

Sounds good on paper but I don’t think it would’ve worked with it being too convoluted trying to get him to do it.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Sounds good on paper but I don’t think it would’ve worked being too convoluted trying to get him to do it.

Agreed. As an epic moment/situation hell yeah that sounds great but with the staggering amount of moving parts in a film like this changing something like that would have had a butterfly effect on quite possibly every single other element in the story.

When would primitive Hulk do the snap? Early in the movie when there was no direct conflict? Or fully Hulked out at the end mere minutes before Tony would do the same?

Really the entire film would have to be overhauled to allow for such a scene. Not saying that people like JAWS, Maulfan, and possibly a-dev wouldn't still welcome the overhaul but I certainly see why the Russos wouldn't have considered that to be an option and frankly I agree with them.

I think the best bet to satisfy all parties would have simply been to show Professor Hulk getting some good crowd pleasing licks in during the final battle along with everyone else.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Agreed. As an epic moment/situation hell yeah that sounds great but with the staggering amount of moving parts in a film like this changing something like that would have had a butterfly effect on quite possibly every single other element in the story.

When would primitive Hulk do the snap? Early in the movie when there was no direct conflict? Or fully Hulked out at the end mere minutes before Tony would do the same?

Really the entire film would have to be overhauled to allow for such a scene. Not saying that people like JAWS, Maulfan, and possibly a-dev wouldn't still welcome the overhaul but I certainly see why the Russos wouldn't have considered that to be an option and frankly I agree with them.

I think the best bet to satisfy all parties would have simply been to show Professor Hulk getting some good crowd pleasing licks in during the final battle along with everyone else.

Plus it would’ve just delayed us arriving at Cap’s awesome moments lol

 

[MaulFan]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I agree that professor Hulk fits the story best. For me, the sour grapes comes from the little use he got in Infinity War, and knowing that this could be the last Hulk movie, or at the least, the last movie using a Hulk that I like. We've had 3 cinematic Hulks so far (counting Norton separate from Ruffalo even though it's an MCU film). I liked the Bana Hulk at the time simply because it was exciting to have a Hulk movie, but as the MCU offered more options, I've really grown distaste for it.

I like both MCU Hulks, even though Ruffalo is the best, a very classic design, at least in Avengers 1 and 2, classic behavior. There's no telling what the future holds, so I look at Endgame as possibly the end for me, and it falls very flat on satisfying that.

 

[e30ernest]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Thank you for posting that - always happy to be corrected. For me in Ultron it doesn't come across that way - but - these films do leave what I started calling gaps - some things that could be interpreted one way or another. Or maybe the director/editors think something is obvious, but to me it isn't.

I think the subsequent films made AoU a much better film than it was at launch. AoU became a critical part of Steve's and Tony's character arcs. It was also the one to introduce the much maligned barn arc (which later became an important part of Clint's story) and Thor's electric Jacuzzi (which became integral to Ragnarok and the Infinity War saga). Looking back, Ultron was also a very important part of Tony's story.

I've been rewatching some of the MCU films and AoU holds much better knowing where the story would go at Endgame. Ant Man and the Wasp was another movie that was better after rewatching it.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Agreed, whether it's retroactive importance or simply "AEG goodwill goggles" lesser entries like AOU and CM all get an easy pass from me. In fact even before AEG when I revisited AOU a couple of years ago I still found it to be pretty entertaining.

 

[Ropen]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Tony stark has been freaking suffering the whole entire mcu timeline, his arm never heals right, tries to do whats right because he actually uses his might and money to prevent an interstellar event, yet still gets screwed in the end.


The biggest take away is that tony gets away with a lot of **** not seen again after phase 1 mcu, the womanizing, alcoholic, philanthropist playboy was made a family man after the disney take over, but hulk has always been forgotten, betty ross and abomination are gone away forever but what’s funny is that the hulk still has his scar he inflicted on his chest. The mcu is full of small details, im pretty sure no one noticed how his tony’s arm always keeps getting damaged in between movies, but im so over this MCU AND READY FOR THE MULTIVERSE, we are complaining about the hulk but damn, i so want an xmen reboot


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[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Now that I think about it I so desperately wanted Hulk to rage from the gamma overdose from the stones but had that happened wouldn’t he then become more powerful than even Thanos?

I mean the whole narrative of the movie would’ve had to change no?

Ok fine we would get our big crowd pleasing Hulk vs Thanos rematch but would’ve we also expected Hulk to then kill Thanos during his rage and then the focus would’ve been on the Avengers trying to stop Hulk killing Stark in the process which would’ve been ironic since Stark always wanted Banner to “suit up!”

It would’ve really ruined Captain America’s Avengers Assemble moment.

 

[chewblacca]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

My thought was that since the glove gives off gamma radiation the increase would cause Banner/Hulk to rage out. Then with the building falling on them it would make him even more angry causing him to get even more hulkier . That way when Thanos arrives Hulk should just burst out and attack him.

 

[MaulFan]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Back at the start of MCU, they were building like the Avengers would go after Hulk, they even had the reference with the cage Loki was locked in in Avengers. It would be a bit full circle of that idea had Hulk saved the but in doing so become himself a new threat of sorts.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Which emanates from the Ultimates run as well as Hulk’s banishment from
Earth.

We got a tiny bit in the A1 hellicarrier a really tiny tiny bit lol

 

[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I think the subsequent films made AoU a much better film than it was at launch. AoU became a critical part of Steve's and Tony's character arcs. It was also the one to introduce the much maligned barn arc (which later became an important part of Clint's story) and Thor's electric Jacuzzi (which became integral to Ragnarok and the Infinity War saga). Looking back, Ultron was also a very important part of Tony's story.

I've been rewatching some of the MCU films and AoU holds much better knowing where the story would go at Endgame. Ant Man and the Wasp was another movie that was better after rewatching it.

AOU impressed me more after a lot of re-watches. Like it slowly sank in that Whedon did a *lavish* job with sets and costumes, introduced the Hulkbuster, some spectacular CGI, and I never had a problem with Ultron as a villain - thought he was terrifying - sort of an intelligent, playful complete psychopath with this weird need for affirmation - a reversed Tony, kinda. Also the intro of the Maximoffs. Even with the lameness of some of the stuff - there's plenty in IW and some in EG that really bugs me, and neither IW or EG to me are the movies they could've been.

Also Whedon can tell a cohesive, multi-character story with good lines. Pity they didn't give CM to him IMO, he could've cried with Brie over his sins and feminism and her movie would've been better.

 

[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Now that I think about it I so desperately wanted Hulk to rage from the gamma overdose from the stones but had that happened wouldn’t he then become more powerful than even Thanos?

I mean the whole narrative of the movie would’ve had to change no?

Ok fine we would get our big crowd pleasing Hulk vs Thanos rematch but would’ve we also expected Hulk to then kill Thanos during his rage and then the focus would’ve been on the Avengers trying to stop Hulk killing Stark in the process which would’ve been ironic since Stark always wanted Banner to “suit up!”

LOL Jye OK one of the things that bugged me since IW are the IMO tepid Thanos' children who were supposed to be all that. Hulk could've been tied up dealing with them who leap to defend Thanos, and at least give them SOME kind of last moment. Even swarming Outriders, leaving others to deal with Thanos.

 

[MaulFan]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Which emanates from the Ultimates run as well as Hulk’s banishment from
Earth.

We got a tiny bit in the A1 hellicarrier a really tiny tiny bit lol

The reality is, they tried to work in as many iterations of all of these characters over the series as they could while making the story work, and I get that, we got Cap and Nomad, Hawkeye and Ronin, etc.

From a storytelling angle, Professor Hulk was a good idea, some of its execution could have been better, but it works, it's just not what I'd have like for what may be MCU Hulk's final outing, and that's all on my personal taste. Hulk and Iron Man are what got me into Avengers, if it weren't for them who know if I'd have even followed this series.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The reality is, they tried to work in as many iterations of all of these characters over the series as they could while making the story work

Yep, my favorite comic IM suit was the Silver Centurion that he wore for most of the 80's and that got less than a minute of screen time before being quickly dispatched by Killian in IM3.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

They should have made the snap kill only the Banner half, and rage Hulk should have separated physically from him.
Then make them have to come together in the end to do the snap.

[emoji848]


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[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Nope all this talk of Hulk rage snapping only has one final outcome, it ruins the single greatest moment in all of cinematic superhero movie history!

Thanks but no thanks.

And that’s coming from someone who desperately wanted to see that opening night!

I mean who the hell is going to cheer for Captain America rallying the Avengers to kick Hulk’s ass!!!!!!!!

NO NO NO NO!

Then it would’ve been the opposite complaints lol