Avengers: Endgame

[The Buffinator]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I hate time travel resolutions, unless the film is about time travel.

Personally I feel like its a copout.

They will overcome that feeling by sacrificing major characters in a way that prevents their return.

1. Cap
2. Tony
3. Black Widow.

Cap and Tony will sacrifice themselves for the good of mankind and Tony for Pepper.

Widow will die for Hawkeyes family.

End credits.

Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

Well, they're making a BW solo film, so unless it's set in the past she'll probably survive. If it is set in the past, they'd better get started - ScarJo's not getting any younger. Although with CGI these days I guess that doesn't matter.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Well, they're making a BW solo film, so unless it's set in the past she'll probably survive. If it is set in the past, they'd better get started - ScarJo's not getting any younger. Although with CGI these days I guess that doesn't matter.

Recent past, no cgi needed.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Obviously they have some characters in the movie that’ll hype up the next phase. I’m definitely imagining galactus is in this in some compacity or the FF. All the fantastic 4 hype marvel has been putting out leads me to believe they’ll be in this

A real FF movie would be glorious

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

If they can make Wakanda, then make the king of Latveria, Dr Doom.

 

[jye4ever]

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[Wor-Gar]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

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By the balls of Odin...

 

[jye4ever]

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[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Okay I have to put this out there. I think it was discussed a while back but THE only thing I’m afraid of with this movie is the time travel. I hope that it’s done well but it’s usually VERY lazy writing and story telling. Same reason flashbacks, usually are too as stated by the creators of GOT.

But mainly I’m worried about all of the movies before this one and leading up to it, feeling empty and hollow due to much of the events and things never actually happening.

I should know better than to worry about the Russos, but man I keep seeing this going a really cheap route. I don’t want to be right but I hope it’s truly deeper than *going back in time, sacrifice, leftover avengers win*


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The Russos were director gawds to me. Far as I can tell with IW they took a lot of time off and let Gunn drive - which in fact happened (and IMO explains a lot).

https://movieweb.com/avengers-infinity-war-script-changes-chris-pratt-james-gunn/

Plus IW was a heaping dose of extended trailers for Marvel's upcoming slate. I don't even know how much of IW/End Game is Russos, and how much of it is Feige trying to put certain characters front and center. So don't see why they wouldn't go the cheap route. Especially with Larsen saying CM can time travel and move planets and *&^%. She can probably mind read too (the way the audience apparently was supposed to, re what Team Cap had been doing for 2 years. Or why Hulk is having an issue.).

It already bugs me that there was such a neat split about who lived and who got dusted. (Coz the original Avengers are just special that way, I guess). Just like I think if Cap buys it, it'll be done in a nice way so no-one, not even Bucky and Sam, are that upset. Feige targeting a younger up-and-coming audience to keep the dollars flowing.

But I'll ride it out, after 10 years, no matter how cheap it gets. But don't expect much from End Game - a respectful but perfunctory treatment of Cap, lots of DS, Spiderman, CM and IM (coz RDJ is known for playing hardball w. screen time and contracts).

 

[steelhegemon]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The Russos were director gawds to me. Far as I can tell with IW they took a lot of time off and let Gunn drive - which in fact happened (and IMO explains a lot).

https://movieweb.com/avengers-infinity-war-script-changes-chris-pratt-james-gunn/

Plus IW was a heaping dose of extended trailers for Marvel's upcoming slate. I don't even know how much of IW/End Game is Russos, and how much of it is Feige trying to put certain characters front and center. So don't see why they wouldn't go the cheap route. Especially with Larsen saying CM can time travel and move planets and *&^%. She can probably mind read too (the way the audience apparently was supposed to, re what Team Cap had been doing for 2 years. Or why Hulk is having an issue.).

It already bugs me that there was such a neat split about who lived and who got dusted. (Coz the original Avengers are just special that way, I guess). Just like I think if Cap buys it, it'll be done in a nice way so no-one, not even Bucky and Sam, are that upset. Feige targeting a younger up-and-coming audience to keep the dollars flowing.

But I'll ride it out, after 10 years, no matter how cheap it gets. But don't expect much from End Game - a respectful but perfunctory treatment of Cap, lots of DS, Spiderman, CM and IM (coz RDJ is known for playing hardball w. screen time and contracts).

I agree with most of what you said that yes the cheapness probably started at the end of IW.

That article doesn’t really doesn’t insinuate that Gunn was in the driver but I believe you haha

You’re right that we’ve made it this far and should just be along for the ride but if it’s hollow like I’m worried about..... I know this is just me, but it’d halfway undo my love for the past movies. Shallow. I know. But it’s true.


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[Chakor]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Even if the grand finale ends up being a disappointment that hinders the enjoyment/quality of the previous films, nothing will ever undo my love for most of MCU Phase One. If Endgame were to disappoint and make me look back on Phase Three as "hollow", that would not make much of a difference to me because while I have loved some Phase Three MCU films I have also written off at least two of them as it has been very hit or miss with me. As far as I'm concerned we already got our perfect Marvel movies with IM1, Thor 1, TFA, and A1.

 

[steelhegemon]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Even if the grand finale ends up being a disappointment that hinders the enjoyment/quality of the previous films like Return of the Jedi, nothing will ever undo my love for most of MCU Phase One. If Endgame were to disappoint and make me look back on Phase Three as "hollow", that would not make much of a difference to me because I have already written off at least two Phase Three installments already as it has been very hit or miss with me. As far as I'm concerned we already got our perfect Marvel movies with IM1, Thor 1, TFA, and A1.

I’m not saying if the finale is just “bad.” I’m fine with it being disappointing, because like you said, the others have been great.

But if they undo it all in the story with time travel.... that changes it for me. That’s what I’m talking about. That affects the storytelling that would bother me like our last 10 years was for nothing.


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[Chakor]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Even if they were to undo everything from the beginning via time travel, I would just pretend everything after The Avengers never happened. As I already said, I wouldn't be heartbroken writing off a few Phase Three films since some of them (literally) destroyed a lot of the world-building from previous films.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The Russos were director gawds to me. Far as I can tell with IW they took a lot of time off and let Gunn drive

I see this as a good thing.

 

[Ropen]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

They have been hinting at time travel in the last two films, we will see, granted to see what the new time line will bring though


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[kiwiatlarge]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Even if the grand finale ends up being a disappointment that hinders the enjoyment/quality of the previous films, nothing will ever undo my love for most of MCU Phase One. If Endgame were to disappoint and make me look back on Phase Three as "hollow", that would not make much of a difference to me because while I have loved some Phase Three MCU films I have also written off at least two of them as it has been very hit or miss with me. As far as I'm concerned we already got our perfect Marvel movies with IM1, Thor 1, TFA, and A1.

That's actually a pretty fine set of movies there if you just treat the MCU as Phase 1... not without it's flaws, but still pretty damn good.. I still don't even think Iron Man 2 is as bad as people make out..

 

[KitFisto]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

That's actually a pretty fine set of movies there if you just treat the MCU as Phase 1... not without it's flaws, but still pretty damn good.. I still don't even think Iron Man 2 is as bad as people make out..

Agreed on IM2. It's not one of the MCU's better offerings, but it's not IM3 bad either lol.

 

[matticus]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Oh we're getting time travel. I think it might be pretty interesting revisiting key moments of the MCU.

I still would like a trailer revealing some action and new outfits. Last one didn't do much for me. Don't need to reveal any story. I like to get the on the hype train!

 

[MegaPrime33]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Obviously Lang is a big part of the time travel, going to back to key moments in time, like the battle of NY, presumably to convince them to do something with Loki's scepter and the tesseract.

 

[Chakor]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

That's actually a pretty fine set of movies there if you just treat the MCU as Phase 1... not without it's flaws, but still pretty damn good.. I still don't even think Iron Man 2 is as bad as people make out..

I initially didn't like IM2 for a while but I've warmed to it with repeat viewings. Mickey Rourke's character is great and there's a lot of good Avengers set ups. There are still flaws with it that bug me (such as the lazy script and wishing the final battle lasted longer), but not enough to write it off or purposely skip it when I marathon the other Phase One films.

The only Phase One movie I've written off is TIH - and even then I don't hate it, it's just hard to view it as canon with the rest of the MCU.

 

[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I see this as a good thing.

IMO I don't have a problem with folks having different opinions. At 2 billion dollars plus even a fair number of critics liking IW something went right. There's stuff I like and appreciate in IW.

For myself I wanted the "Russo flavor" which to me translates in general to tight, clean, editing; it's hard to describe scripts but love the writing in TWS and CW - e.g. what's said, the words used, and maybe what ISN'T said. Restrained quieter scenes that are perfectly acted. Grittier, one-to-one fighting that has some kind of grounding in reality.

It's not that I don't appreciate what Gunn did in GOTG1. But IMO by GOTG2 - and keeping that kind of eccentric fun going would have been hard (comedy is hard) - Gunn didn't seem to know how to self-edit.

E.g. if dancing Groot is adorable, let's have a LOT more. If there was a joke about a body part in GOTG1, all of a sudden Rocket has a body part fetish in GOTG2. If Gamora had a conscience, all of a sudden she's REALLY soft. If Drax - who never struck me as dumb, really - seemed out of it in GOTG1, all of a sudden he's known for being *duh* in IW. Plus the bathroom humor and friggin' bubbles that keep showing up.

And IMO Gunn didn't know how to write/edit Gamora's faux Shakespeare speeches either - I was so happy when Thanos threw her over the side (never mind the re-hash of a mysterious pit and the whole sacrifice idea) just because the Thanos/Gamora scenes were finally moving (and not grabbing me anyway).

E.g. I think McFeely and Markus are far better writers than Gunn; and Gunn (along with Chris Pratt) shouldn't have had that much say. Gunn IMO is better in small doses (like when the Guardians show up in IW). He's not all that great at drama - GOTG2 felt flat a lot of the time, as well. Plus the mash-up of the writers - I think there are 14 credited total for IW - didn't work for me. McFeely and Markus flat out said they knew some people wouldn't like IW - yep. IMO they are too good at writing to have not (privately) known about the mash-up tone of IW.

Just had to re-adjust and think I might've already seen the best of the MCU with CW and Ragnarok (timewise; IMO the best overall are IM1, TWS, CW, Ragnarok, GOTG1, Avengers 1 w. strong showings from others like TFA). Just bringing in Captain Marvel - or any other high-powered character right now IMO feels cheap too. For me it would've been more interesting to see what the players on board already might've done. Just feels to me like Infinity Wars got hijacked by Fiege to set up the next MCU instead of finishing the first one with any real kind of depth.

But I know a lot of people won't care and are just hoping for a surprise appearance from Hugh Jackman.