Ban the Flag??? Seriously VVTF!!

[SnakeDoctor]

One thing I do not understand is the concept that it's okay for us, as humans, to judge others. I am a Christian and IMO the only person who should judge us is God. I do not understand how so many of my Christian friends can be so judgmental towards people who are different. So I can see why the current "religious" debates can get under people's skin.

"Judge not lest ye be judged." One of the most misunderstood verses, and a favorite of advocates of moral permissiveness.

God alone judges Salvation ... and you will never hear me speak definitively about the Salvation of another. It isn't my place, and honestly, I don't know the answer.

However, according to Christian doctrine, humanity is permitted, and called, to judge actions. There is a clear right and wrong with regard to behavior, and to simply ignore or whitewash such behaviors as "different" is to ignore that which defines Christian morality.

However, that being said, I believe we are granted free will for a reason. People have the right to choose their own path, just as I have the right to choose mine. They have the right to think I'm wrong, and I have the right to think they're wrong. Final judgment is not mine, but judging individual actions based on my values is certainly within my prerogative.

In short ... I am permitted to think someone is behaving immorally, and they are permitted to continue to do so (so long as it doesn't break the law, in which case men with guns will likely stop them from doing so).

SnakeDoc

 

[LChinoz]

I don't for a second excuse Glenn's choice of words on that day, but I do understand his sentiment. And if you actually listened his words, you would know that he didn't say he hated all of the victims' families, he said he "hated about ten of them", and his reasons had nothing to do with the tragedy, but the way he felt that certain families were essentially exploiting it. Again, I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but I can understand it.

Olbermann, on the other hand, not so much. I can never understand what motivates him. And Chris "thrill up his leg" Matthews? All I can say is

Yea no. Only 10? Okay, all is forgiven. What has Olbermann done to make you hate him except be the left-wing voice for MSNBC? Chris Matthews also, said he got a tingle up his leg when Obama spoke, what a dipsht! Seriously, I have problems when anyone spews hate, but I can't think of anytime hate was spewed by Olbermann or Mathews. They are crazy, and leftwing, but nothing like Beck has done.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Yea no. Only 10? Okay, all is forgiven. What has Olbermann done to make you hate him except be the left-wing voice for MSNBC? Chris Matthews also, said he got a tingle up his leg when Obama spoke, what a dipsht! Seriously, I have problems when anyone spews hate, but I can't think of anytime hate was spewed by Olbermann or Mathews. They are crazy, and leftwing, but nothing like Beck has done.

They both speak of any conservatives in pretty well the same way several people in this thread do ... they just hate the right people, I guess, so liberals tend not to notice.

SnakeDoc

 

[RoboDad]

Yea no. Only 10? Okay, all is forgiven.

One thing I do not understand is the concept that it's okay for us, as humans, to judge others. I am a Christian and IMO the only person who should judge us is God.

I trust that you honestly believe your own words.

 

[Kuzeh]

Stupid haters are stupid haters...
regardless of being "liberals" or "conservatives"
I've seen a lot of questionable acts by people from every political view...

 

[RoboDad]

Stupid haters are stupid haters...
regardless of being "liberals" or "conservatives"
I've seen a lot of questionable acts by people from every political view...

That was more profound than you may have realized when you typed it. Hatred knows no political stripe, gender, race, religion, or nationality. There are people in every group on the planet guilty of it, and it is something we all need to work on.

 

[LOTRFan]

Especially this guy ---

 

[CelticPredator]

^ lmao. Hahaha.

 

[LChinoz]

I trust that you honestly believe your own words.

I do. My faith says to "Love thy enemy." Do you love your enemy? Hannity was asked if he loved the terrorists by Michael Moore and he reluctantly said yes and then that he wanted to destroy them. It was priceless. In any case, I try my best to love everyone without judgment. I do not agree with Glenn Beck or Kieth Olbermann, but I do not judge them either.

 

[RoboDad]

Especially this guy ---

Priceless!

 

[karamazov80]

I do agree with Robodad. Do we all have prejudices? Yes. And they are deeply entrenched. We do have to work on them every day. But I think it is important to try, because otherwise you cannot be part of the solution. Sadly, the Maddows and Becks of the world reinforce the idea that we don't need to understand and respect each other despite our different viewpoints, and that is not a good perspective IMO. I really enjoyed watching Mike Huckabee's (former?) show, because he was not hateful and was willing to have honest debates with people who felt differently from him. That type of show is a real novel idea in this day and age. But I'm sure his show didn't get near the ratings of the Sean Hannity show or whatever, so it came on late at night once a week. Sad.

 

[LChinoz]

They both speak of any conservatives in pretty well the same way several people in this thread do ... they just hate the right people, I guess, so liberals tend not to notice.

SnakeDoc

When I say promotes hate, I mean just that. Beck says Obama hates America, the constitution, and white people. Look it up. When has anything like that been said by anyone else on TV, Conservative or Liberal?

 

[LChinoz]

I do agree with Robodad. Do we all have prejudices? Yes. And they are deeply entrenched. We do have to work on them every day. But I think it is important to try, because otherwise you cannot be part of the solution. Sadly, the Maddows and Becks of the world reinforce the idea that we don't need to understand and respect each other despite our different viewpoints, and that is not a good perspective IMO. I really enjoyed watching Mike Huckabee's (former?) show, because he was not hateful and was willing to have honest debates with people who felt differently from him. That type of show is a real novel idea in this day and age. But I'm sure his show didn't get near the ratings of the Sean Hannity show or whatever, so it came on late at night once a week. Sad.

I agree, Huckabee's show was great.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

I do. My faith says to "Love thy enemy." Do you love your enemy? Hannity was asked if he loved the terrorists by Michael Moore and he reluctantly said yes and then that he wanted to destroy them. It was priceless. In any case, I try my best to love everyone without judgment. I do not agree with Glenn Beck or Kieth Olbermann, but I do not judge them either.

(1) "Love your enemy" does not mean endorse their behavior. If you believe God has defined a right and wrong way to behave, and you believe they are on the wrong path ... is it really "love" to say nothing?

(2) Christians are, by nature, imperfect. We simply are incapable of loving to the extent we are asked to. For instance, I have a daughter ... if she were severaly harmed or killed by someone, I'd be lucky to avoid hunting them down and killing them, much less to "love" them.

(3) I hope the terrorists find Salvation before we find them ... but that doesn't mean we should stop looking, and start shooting when they pop up.

SnakeDoc

 

[LChinoz]

That was more profound than you may have realized when you typed it. Hatred knows no political stripe, gender, race, religion, or nationality. There are people in every group on the planet guilty of it, and it is something we all need to work on.

Of course this is true. My faith is simple, do not judge others. I am content knowing that I always loved my neighbor and left the judging to God as best i could.

 

[hoodonit00]

I'd say hating a person for being gay, or believing in another religion, or being a certin race (minus Scientology! ) is wrong. So very, very, very wrong. It actually hurts me. I dont even want to look at the world. I cant. It's too painful.

So keep arguing Lefts Vs. Rights. Keep punching our country into the ground.

In befo da motha ____in lock.

And there is where the problem lies. You think those of us who watch FOX news or are Conservatives are full of hate. That is not the case at all. We just have a different mindset on things. All because we don't believe in affirmative action doesn't mean we're racist. It just means we believe you make your own way in this world.

All because we didn't vote for the first Black president doesn't make us racist. We just can't stand what he believes in.

All because we are against amnesty does not mean we hate Mexicans. It just means that we think citizenship should be done legally.

I believe in God and am a Christian. I promise you that I won't preach to you. Why then does it give people the right to say I'm stupid for what I believe in?

I could go on, but I hope you're getting a picture that we are not just full of hate. We just believe differently. That's what always cracks me up when people say that Republicans are trying to stop all the bills and programs that this administration is trying to put through. Say we should be more willing to go along. Why? Why would we go along with something that we so strongly disagree with?

 

[CelticPredator]

(1) "Love your enemy" does not mean endorse their behavior. If you believe God has defined a right and wrong way to behave, and you believe they are on the wrong path ... is it really "love" to say nothing?

(2) Christians are, by nature, imperfect. We simply are incapable of loving to the extent we are asked to. For instance, I have a daughter ... if she were severaly harmed or killed by someone, I'd be lucky to avoid hunting them down and killing them, much less to "love" them.

(3) I hope the terrorists find Salvation before we find them ... but that doesn't mean we should stop looking, and start shooting when they pop up.

SnakeDoc

Love everyone. Unless they spew hatred to hurt people.

Hell, I hate that my friend has "choosen" the path of drugs and stupidty...but I dont hate him for it.

 

[CelticPredator]

And there is where the problem lies. You think those of us who watch FOX news or are Conservatives

Um......no...where the hell did you get that from?

I just hate THEM. And only THEM. Not YOU. Not RoboDad, and not Snake. Just them.

 

[hoodonit00]

Um.....yeah, because that's what I said.

I said the FOX people are hateful, and filth. Why do you think I ment republicans? I have no problems with people who have a different view then I do. I have no problems with Democrats either....just because they have a different view then I do.

And its funny how people use Conservatives and Librals....when they mean the same exact thing....

Uh, Conservatives and Liberals are at the extreme opposites of each other. Not the same thing.

 

[CelticPredator]

Uh no, the words are basicly the same. Look 'em up.