Ban the Flag??? Seriously VVTF!!

[CelticPredator]

And by the way, no matter what yours or anyone else's argument is, this is the kind of ____ that is tearing our country apart.

The fact this pure hatrid exists between the Democrats and Republicans is just hidiously asinine. I just hate Fox News. Thats all. I hate the MSNBC and CNN as well. But I just hate the way the Fox people hate people for their beliefs and views. ( so does MSNBC...but they're more on the politcal side...)

I'd say hating a person for being gay, or believing in another religion, or being a certin race (minus Scientology! ) is wrong. So very, very, very wrong. It actually hurts me. I dont even want to look at the world. I cant. It's too painful.

So keep arguing Lefts Vs. Rights. Keep punching our country into the ground.

In befo da motha ____in lock.

 

[CelticPredator]

I shall never understand why conservatives are referred to as "hateful" and liberals as "compassionate". One can disagree without referring to the opposition as "filth" and wishing their demise.

SnakeDoc

Um.....yeah, because that's what I said.

I said the FOX people are hateful, and filth. Why do you think I ment republicans? I have no problems with people who have a different view then I do. I have no problems with Democrats either....just because they have a different view then I do.

And its funny how people use Conservatives and Librals....when they mean the same exact thing....

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Um.....yeah, because that's what I said.

I said the FOX people are hateful, and filth. Why do you think I ment republicans? I have no problems with people who have a different view then I do. I have no problems with Democrats either....just because they have a different view then I do.

And its funny how people use Conservatives and Librals....when they mean the same exact thing....

When did I say you were referring to Republicans? You were referring to a several media personalities with whom you disagree. How, exactly, is that any different from some raving right-winger referring to Obama as "filth" and refusing to rest while until he "falls off the face of this planet".

Your rhetoric is stronger and more objectionable than that of anyone you're complaining about.

And by the way, no matter what yours or anyone else's argument is, this is the kind of ____ that is tearing our country apart.

The fact this pure hatrid exists between the Democrats and Republicans is just hidiously asinine. I just hate Fox News. Thats all. I hate the MSNBC and CNN as well. But I just hate the way the Fox people hate people for their beliefs and views. ( so does MSNBC...but they're more on the politcal side...)

Oh ... I get it. You hate people for the percieved belief that they can hate people for their beliefs. That makes sense. Your rhetoric isn't bringing anything together.

I feel a lock oncoming.

SnakeDoc

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm not trying to bring any sort of rhetoric. I'm just saying, I hate these mother ____ers. Yes, for hating other mother ____ers.

Anytime I can attack Fox in any way makes me happy inside. They ruined my favorite movie series more then once, ( I read the Predators Script, so I know it's got a ton of potential ), and I just cant stand this attitude they have.

And whatever, if someone hates Obama...that does...nothing to me.

I bet you hate me for hating Fox. Or badmouthing them. It's that stuff that'll screw up this country. This loyalty people have for each party. This need to fight for it, and to hate for it. It's just.....sickning.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Honestly, I don't get the disdain for a media outlet. Fox is no different from any other ... their prime time hosts just happen to be more conservative, as opposed to the other news networks which are almost uniformly liberal. O'Reilly isn't even really a conservative ... he's just a loudmouth (Limbaugh refers to him as "Ted Baxter" (from Mary Tyler Moore,) which is actually a pretty good comparison).

All three networks engage in the same sensational stories. They stir up the rhetoric for viewership. They charge up a debate when one isn't really necessary. Fox is simply the only one of the three which gives conservatives the light of day ... and THAT'S why they're hated. They're hated because someone has an axe to grind. That's why there's an outcry about Limbaugh or Beck, and silence on Olberman or Behar.

I figure, get both sides, and make up your mind. No need to hate a messenger from either group.

SnakeDoc

 

[CelticPredator]

Perhaps I hate them because they deal with so much religion based arguments. That gets right under my skin.

I was getting incredibly annoyed with Olberman's "McCaine on the Membrain" ____ every night. We get it. You dont like him. Now do Obama.

 

[karamazov80]

What happens when the "acceptable" ways of thinking are liberal? Would 'edgy' humor not then be conservative in nature? I honestly think we're WAY past that point.

For the record, I don't think that making fun of conservatives or religion is edgy necessarily (though it could be done in an edgy way). And I would agree with you that some progressive ideas have become more commonplace, such as civil rights for different ethnicities and sexual orientations. I am suggesting that having limits to what you are doing is the "conservative" orthodoxy that may limit funniness. It isn't the subject matter specifically--it is the orientation. Yes, you can say something outrageous, but that in itself does not make it edgy. If there are boundaries (say, if you only make fun of conservatives yourself), then I think your degree of funniness is going to suffer.

I see guys like David Cross and the South Park guys going after all of that. Making fun of gays, religion, black culture, Sarah Palin, Streisand, you name it. Being truly funny may mean recognizing the absurd, accepting that nothing is out of bounds, including self-criticism. I understand that "conservative" is really a misnomer, but I suppose that in my interpretation, this is a group that does not want to make everything off-limits. They want to respect the dignity of certain ideas and things. I don't think self-styled "liberals" care about that very much. Some do, but they aren't the funny ones IMO.

Again, I'm not making a value judgment about either of these groups. I think there are merits to both ways of thinking, but I think this may be a fundamental character trait that affects how funny someone is. Just as it may be a component of the personality of the person willing to throw good sense out the window and to go into entertainment as a career, versus the guy who becomes an accountant because it is the reasonable thing to do.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Perhaps I hate them because they deal with so much religion based arguments. That gets right under my skin.

I was getting incredibly annoyed with Olberman's "McCaine on the Membrain" ____ every night. We get it. You dont like him. Now do Obama.

Hatred for religion (or religious-based thought) is a separate problem, and one you'll have to deal with on your own.

I am a Christian, so will admit wholeheartedly to having religious-based notions of right and wrong, good and evil. You previously spoke of your hatred of Fox because they spew hatred ... and now you state that it is because of "religious-based arguments". But, it sounds to me like most of the hatred is coming from you ... because religion-based thought "get under your skin".

People have the right to judge a situation on whatever basis they choose. Such is the nature of a free country. If using religious-based judgment upsets you, then you may not be as tolerant as you think.

SnakeDoc

 

[LChinoz]

No, I'm not. But you are certainly free to think so.


This may be one of the funniest things I've ever read here. Olbermann and Matthews are hatred personified, and either of them individually is far, far worse than every single local and national "right wing" pundit combined.

I rarely am inclined to think such things, but I'll be brutally honest. If Olbermann and Matthews were both hit by trucks tomorrow, I would not even shed a single tear. I don't even consider them members of the same species as me any more.

Sorry, when did Matthews or Olbermann say they hated the 9-11 victim's families? They didn't, that was Glenn Beck.

 

[CelticPredator]

Hatred for religion (or religious-based thought) is a separate problem, and one you'll have to deal with on your own.

I am a Christian, so will admit wholeheartedly to having religious-based notions of right and wrong, good and evil. You previously spoke of your hatred of Fox because they spew hatred ... and now you state that it is because of "religious-based arguments".

But, it sounds to me like most of the hatred is coming from you ... because Christian-based arguments "get under your skin".

SnakeDoc

Sorry, but the fact you're taking my "hatrid of Fox" and my "distain" for religion this seriously is really funny. C'mon, waste it on someone who's worth it. Someone who's actually attacking you.

 

[karamazov80]

I hate to say it, but I think Olbermann's a phony. He seems so insincere, and his training as a SportsCenter guy makes him come off as too polished. I think he just got into the left-wing propaganda business because there was a market for it. I have sometimes suspected the same of Limbaugh. Seems like he just realizes the market for that perspective, and is taking advantage.

I feel the same way about several televangelists. Maybe I'm too cynical.

I do feel that Rachel Maddow is a true believer, though. Same with Glenn Beck. They are scarier to me, because they seem so genuinely confident in their extreme views of the world. You can see it in their eyes. Where's poor Larry King when we need him

 

[LChinoz]

Hatred for religion (or religious-based thought) is a separate problem, and one you'll have to deal with on your own.

I am a Christian, so will admit wholeheartedly to having religious-based notions of right and wrong, good and evil. You previously spoke of your hatred of Fox because they spew hatred ... and now you state that it is because of "religious-based arguments". But, it sounds to me like most of the hatred is coming from you ... because religion-based thought "get under your skin".

People have the right to judge a situation on whatever basis they choose. Such is the nature of a free country. If using religious-based judgment upsets you, then you may not be as tolerant as you think.

SnakeDoc

One thing I do not understand is the concept that it's okay for us, as humans, to judge others. I am a Christian and IMO the only person who should judge us is God. I do not understand how so many of my Christian friends can be so judgmental towards people who are different. So I can see why the current "religious" debates can get under people's skin.

 

[CelticPredator]

Keith was pretty awesome back in 03-04 ish. His show brought the lulz. But now...? ____ that guy.

 

[CelticPredator]

One thing I do not understand is the concept that it's okay for us, as humans, to judge others. I am a Christian and IMO the only person who should judge us is God. I do not understand how so many of my Christian friends can be so judgmental towards people who are different. So I can see why the current "religious" debates can get under people's skin.

However, since my argument expertees are more film base, thanks for saying what I couldnt.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Sorry, but the fact you're taking my "hatrid of Fox" and my "distain" for religion this seriously is really funny. C'mon, waste it on someone who's worth it. Someone who's actually attacking you.

I'm taking you less seriously than you seem to think. You haven't offended me in the least ... run-of-the-mill stuff.

SnakeDoc

 

[RoboDad]

I bet you hate me for hating Fox. Or badmouthing them. It's that stuff that'll screw up this country. This loyalty people have for each party. This need to fight for it, and to hate for it. It's just.....sickning.

If you want to stop the hate, you have to start with yourself. Admitting your own hatred of other people, while at the same time condemning anyone who hates you, is not only counterproductive, it's also hypocritical.

I admit to having an unhealthy dislike for Olbermann and Matthews, but I'm also working on it, every day. Hopefully I will eventually grow to the point that I could shake each of their hands and sincerely wish them well. I'm not there yet, but someday...

Perhaps you should look at your own room for growth, and work on your unhealthy hatred for the human beings who work for Fox News.

 

[karamazov80]

Keith was pretty awesome back in 03-04 ish. His show brought the lulz. But now...? ____ that guy.

Yeah, his show has gotten more and more transparently partisan over the years, but it seemed more a reflection of their changing demographic than his increased creative freedom (which I think we saw more of with John Stewart, who I do think is a genuine liberal advocate).

 

[LChinoz]

I do feel that Rachel Maddow is a true believer, though. Same with Glenn Beck. They are scarier to me, because they seem so genuinely confident in their extreme views of the world. You can see it in their eyes. Where's poor Larry King when we need him

Of course Maddow is for real. I have no issues with her though, she is one of the few people on MSNBC I like. Beck on the other hand, is a a real phony. The crazy, crying like a baby Glenn Beck contradicts the moderate Glenn Beck from Headline News. He is riding the wave of crazy right now.

 

[LChinoz]

If you want to stop the hate, you have to start with yourself. Admitting your own hatred of other people, while at the same time condemning anyone who hates you, is not only counterproductive, it's also hypocritical.

I admit to having an unhealthy dislike for Olbermann and Matthews, but I'm also working on it, every day. Hopefully I will eventually grow to the point that I could shake each of their hands and sincerely wish them well. I'm not there yet, but someday...

Perhaps you should look at your own room for growth, and work on your unhealthy hatred for the human beings who work for Fox News.

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That's hate.

 

[RoboDad]

Sorry, when did Matthews or Olbermann say they hated the 9-11 victim's families? They didn't, that was Glenn Beck.

I don't for a second excuse Glenn's choice of words on that day, but I do understand his sentiment. And if you actually listened his words, you would know that he didn't say he hated all of the victims' families, he said he "hated about ten of them", and his reasons had nothing to do with the tragedy, but the way he felt that certain families were essentially exploiting it. Again, I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but I can understand it. It frustrates me when victims of tragedies exploit them to further an agenda. ANY agenda.

Olbermann, on the other hand, not so much. I can never understand what motivates him. And Chris "thrill up his leg" Matthews? All I can say is