Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Did they? I honestly let them have the final word because I didn't want to be "mean" and continue to dismantle their erroneous claims.
They really have no counter for the contrast between Thor's self-sacrifice vs. Kal-El's smugness. And "Thor and the Asgardians" most certainly are NOT responsible for bringing the Tesseract to Earth. That claim is outright absurd. One Asgardian might have been responsible. Maybe even Odin himself. But lumping in Thor because he's of the same civilization would be like me saying "Kal-El and the Kryptonians" killed millions of people. Huh? I guess "Captain America and the Nazis" were attacking Europe. You know, they were all humans right? Ridiculous.
But let's go ahead and clear a couple things up.
Maybe Odin did put the Tesseract on Earth. Okay. Odin created some complications by doing that. But the MCU isn't based around "Odin of Hope" or "Steel" or really anything Odin-centric at all. Odin wanted to teach Thor a lesson and so he sent him to Earth with no powers which led to conflict on Earth and bla bla bla. But Thor didn't pick Earth. Odin could have sent Thor anywhere for his little "lesson." So as far as Thor and Kal-El arriving on Earth, that's a location that neither of them chose.
So what do they do when they get to Earth? They are both in positions of great inexperience. Kal-El being an inexperienced superhero and Thor inexperienced at being a mortal. Bad guys come in search of the heroes and Kal-El fights them angrily and Thor takes it down a notch. Whoa. Suddenly the "similarities" between the two heroes is starting to erode. Suddenly Thor says, "If you're here because of me take me. Take my life. I hope you don't, but here I am." In the midst of the mayhem he talks, negotiates, and sacrifices.
Even during his Rainbow Bridge battle with Loki he sacrifices. Sacrifices the means to see the woman he loves by destroying it. When you watch Thor fight at the end of the film you're watching him fight only because he has no other options. You know he's not doing things out of anger or frustration and you know he's not fighting as a first resort and you also know that if his death will ever stop one single human from dying then he'll gladly offer it. Can you imagine Thor destroying a man's 18 wheeler out of revenge for getting wet? Good gosh no.
And you'd think the brazen petulant Norse god would be the unpredictable one. But no, he truly is good and self-sacrificing and yes, deep down even humble and the movies make sure you get that.
Was it truly Kal-El's "fault" that the Kryptonians came to Earth? No. Of course not. But you'd think a truly heroic individual would do at least SOME soul searching about the part he played in their arrival, would understand what was at risk and how gently he should assist these poor mortals that his presence has unfortunately put in a great deal of danger. A cute half-smile when saying "it means hope?" Um, how about humbly acknowledging the irony of what your stupid symbol means. Cockiness, smugness, and kinda hawt coyness was SO inappropriate given the Earth's predicament.
None of that crap existed in The Avengers. The palette of the Tesseract existing on Earth had long been cleansed. The humans possessed it on their terms. They could have chucked it into space or whatever but they liked it and wanted to harness it's energy to build weapons of their own. And then greater forces than any the heroes had any part of (Thanos) were what allowed Loki to find a way to channel the Tesseract and come to Earth. There is NO hypocrisy in being put off by Kal-El's attitude and his lack of effort to save more innocent lives.
Yes, The Avengers had a number of stupid elements. Cap's cowl was dreadful, the Chitauri all keeling over was idiotic, and so on. So even fans of the MCU "call 'em like we see 'em" without following a blind bias. And believe me, it is fun to howl at a train wreck but you know we're all pulling for BvS to be awesome.
Odin, the king of Asgar brought the Tesseract to Earth...that's not debatable, you known, the same guy who took a baby that wasn't his and raised it to believe something he wasn't and lied to him his entire life instead of telling him the truth about his origin, which lead to him becoming an villain, which created all the problems you see in the film. That same guy took the Tesseract to earth.
As far as blaming Thor for everything, well...it wasn't exactly a serious argument, since your initial "argument/comment" was, "Who brought the Kryptonians to earth?", insinuating that Superman should be blamed for the destruction the villains (zod) caused, but it's good to know you really don't blame Sups for that one. Because it would be like indirectly blaming Thor for Loki attacking earth since Loki dislikes and is jealous of Thor, which is the reason Loki went to Earth (besides the Tesseract) because he knew Earth was under Thor's "protection." All because a petty dispute between two Godly brothers.
As far as what Thor and Superman do on earth? It's funny how you forget the small details in order to make an argument. First, Thor angrily tried to get his hammer back by betting up humans, and yes he didn't have his powers (lucky for those humans) but he was still a trained fighter, hurting the humans because he was angry and he was a spoiled entitled big kid who was sent to earth to begin with because of his anger issues, which almost created WW2 on his world.
So then you say that Superman was fighting the enemy angrily? Really, because he turned himself in and surrendered to the Kryptonians in order to find a peaceful way of solving the problem. Thor was ONLY "peaceful" and "negotiated" with his enemy because he had no powers...he had no choice to begin with...he was only a human at that point, so there wasn't much of a sacrifice, really. What did he do as soon as he came back from the dead like Jesus? He destroyed his enemy with his godly powers. Superman only started fighting the Kryptonians after they attacked his home and almost killed his mother. There was no reasoning with them.
But here's another issue, you really can't compare the enemy in the first Thor film with the one from Man of Steel. One mindless "Robot" "destroying" a small town (more like a few cars) against a race of alien gods with enough technology to destroy the entire earth
Was Thor negotiating during the Alien invasion in NY? Did he sacrifice himself? No, he talked to Loki, the same way Sups talked to the Kryptonians and when it didn't work, he was "angrily" fighting and killing thousands of them with his thunder power. And after he was done, he went to eat some shawarma..for some soul searching
What was Thor's other "sacrifice"? Oh...he won't be able to see some girl he just met a week ago? Wow, that's really something, man. Supes had to kill his own race in order to save a planet that wasn't his to begin with. He killed the last of his race with his bare hands in order to save a human family. But hey, Thor not getting some puss is a real heroic "sacrifice".
Soul searching? Didn't Superman go to a church and ultimately made the decision to turned himself in...get "arrested" by the humans? Because he felt responsible Even though, as you said, the Alien attack wasn't his fault.
Also, you're saying that had the humans not messed with the Tesseract, there wouldn't have been an Alien invasion? Well, had the humans not messed with the Kryptonian ship that was on earth for thousands of years, there wouldn't have been an Alien invasion
That's the point. Circles. You like them don't you?
