Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[VintijDroidGutzz]

She looks like an Endoskeleton covered in advanced synthetic human skin driving that car.

An absolutely ridiculous comment, go & stand in the corner.

 

[RIDDICK]

Agree, an endoskeleton would look much thicker and healthier. Shame on you, Jye.

 

[jye4ever]

I never realized how nice the corner is in my home.

 

[a-dev]

Anyone else sick of hearing people complain about that epic final battle in Man of Steel? It seems Zack Snyder is based on a recent interview with Entertainment Weekly, and he's now further expanded on the that point by discussing why he believes it was wholly necessary to show a large amount of death and destructoon when Superman went to war with General Zod with the fate of Earth hanging in the balance. "There are other superhero movies where they joke about how basically no one’s getting hurt,. That’s not us. What is that message? That’s it’s okay that there’s this massive destruction with zero consequence for anyone? That’s what Watchmen was about in a lot of ways too. There was a scene, that scene where Dan and Laurie get mugged. They beat up the criminals. I was like the first guy, I want to show his arm get broken. I want a compound fracture. I don’t want it to be clean. I want you to go, ‘Oh my God, I guess you’re right. If you just beat up a guy in an alley he’s not going to just be lying on the ground. It’s going to be messy."

The magazine goes on to reveal that the plan was always for the dead to be counted in a follow-up to Man of Steel, and as expected, it's going to be a major driving force for the Caped Crusader when he decides to target Metropolis' new hero. In fact, Ben Affleck has revealed that Superman destroyed more than just one of Bruce Wayne's satellites. "One of the things I liked was Zack’s idea of showing accountability and the consequences of violence and seeing that there are real people in those buildings," he revealed. "And in fact, one of those buildings was Bruce Wayne’s building so he knew people who died in that Black Zero event." So, does that mean everyone will stop complaining now? Here's hoping! Anyway, share your thoughts on these comments below.

That's all well and good but it seems like retroactive damage control to me. If this was always the intention then is it really wise to have Superman be this smug ***t in his final scene with that army general? Or to have a scene in the Daily Planet where everyone is smiles like nothing happened?

 

[jye4ever]

a- dev ain't falling for that crap.

 

[chewblacca]

Yeah neither am I. From what I read this Batman vs Superman thing was decided after The Man of Steel was being scrutinized so heavily. WB and Snyder needed something that would turn the tide on the negative comments.

 

[karamazov80]

That's all well and good but it seems like retroactive damage control to me. If this was always the intention then is it really wise to have Superman be this smug ***t in his final scene with that army general? Or to have a scene in the Daily Planet where everyone is smiles like nothing happened?

It's funny, I was going to post something very similar to this when I saw that post, but didn't want to cause more conflict here at that moment from the fans of the Snyderverse

This is Snyder's MO as I now see it--find stuff people criticized previously, and explicitly address that in subsequent films. Not enough action and buildings being destroyed by supermen in Returns? We get it in spades in MOS. Superman too careless in his final battle, and too many civilians killed? Make that a (the?) major plot point in Batman v. Superman. He's great at reacting to geek criticism, but I'm not sure if that's the best way to go about making movies. There was very little I recall in MOS to make the audience think that all of that destruction was something tragic, with consequences that we would be dwelling on later on. If that was the case, they should have shown Perry et al. suffering major loss, and Supes shouldn't have blithely thumbed his nose at the U.S. military, with the "he's hot!" joke or whatever it was.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

From what I know, Snyder came up with Batman v Superman, becomes after Zod and the end of humanity, where can you go?

Which is my only scrutiny I have for MOS. The antagonist felt like a 2nd or 3rd movie antagonist.

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't see that as damage control, everybody saw that "consequences" would be what BvS was going to be about, people who hated it and people who loved it alike, MoS was always a stepping stone imo, issue #0, and if BvS fails to deliver MoS could end up being irrelevant.

Sure MoS ended on a positive note, I will say it, it ended with hope, can't end it any other way, I'm glad they saved the consequences talk for BvS.

From what I know, Snyder came up with Batman v Superman, becomes after Zod and the end of humanity, where can you go?

An ultimate doomsday villain/plot is just Superman's/JL's regular weekend.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

I never realized how nice the corner is in my home.

Now you know what 'under house arrest' feels like.

 

[Khev]

https://www.themarysue.com/dc-movies-more-mythic-wonder-woman-gateway/

Ben Affleck: DC Movies “More Mythic” Than Marvel, Snyder Says Wonder Woman Is Justice League’s “Gateway Drug”

Well, we're hooked.

Warner Bros. is ramping up for its DC Comics shared movie universe as Batman v Superman draws closer, and Wonder Woman is set to play an important role as they branch out. But what of the ever important Marvel v DC: Dawn of Internet Flame Wars? Batfleck himself has some thoughts on the differences between the two comic book movie universes.

Entertainment Weekly already brought us some great shots of the veritable trinity of superheroes in their Comic-Con preview edition, in which Affleck shared his thoughts on the differences in the tone of Marvel and DC-based movies.

He said,

It is more mythic, it is more grand in that way, and it is a little more realistic. Just by their nature, these films can’t be as funny or as quick or as glib as Marvel movies.

Your mileage may vary on whether or not that’s a good thing for DC movies, as a bit of humor and levity can go a long way in making superhero antics seem more grounded in reality, whereas “gritty” realism can sometimes have the opposite effect. We’ll see for ourselves just how much the power of myth pays off for the Man of Steel “sequel” soon enough.

Still, we were excited to see Wonder Woman take her prominent place on the magazine’s cover, and she’ll apparently be an appropriately instrumental part in setting up the rest of the DC film universe. Director Zack Snyder said, “She plays a super-important part. In a lot of ways, she’s the gateway drug to the rest of the Justice League.”

We don’t exactly need a “gateway drug” to get us excited to finally get some live action Justice League movies (although, after Man of Steel, we could probably use some extra help getting excited) but we don’t mind seeing Wonder Woman fill that role—as long as she’s setting us up for plenty of her own stories along with other heroes’.

 

[RIDDICK]

"More mythic, more grand and a little more realistic than Marvel."
Doesn't sound like shameless "our product is bettah" at all... Yeah, right.

_

And I really don't care what "Snyder sez".
So far promotion of this film was really bad, which slowly takes me back to my last year's decision to ignore DCCU...

 

[GasparZizou]

"More mythic, imore grand and a little more realistic than Marvel."
Doesn't sound like shameless "our product is bettah" at all... Yeah, right....

Well, he isn't wrong.

 

[RIDDICK]

He was talking about movie franchises and so far we've only seen one DCCU film - "Meh of Steal".
These cheap promotional talks in all of their interviews are not convincing. Not one bit.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Anything is more mythic than the MCU

 

[a-dev]

More 'realistic' though? Superman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Shazam? Errrr.

 

[karamazov80]

I'm not sure what he means by "myth" here. It doesn't have anything to do with scope. I think of a myth as a story a culture uses to give it a sense of identity, to help establish moral principles, etc. Why would Superman be more appropriate here than Silver Surfer or whatever? The vast bulk of society doesn't care or think at all about super heroes beyond the fact that they allow folks to waste a couple of hours at the movies.

More 'realistic' though? Superman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Shazam? Errrr.

I'm also at a loss about this one. There's nothing remotely realistic about Man of Steel.

 

[chewblacca]

Maybe he means that there is nothing funny about Man of Steel. It's not a joke when the worlds greatest hero breaks a neck, crashes a satellite and helps destroy a city?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well, the trailer shows Sups as this god being worshiped by part of the population and there's a statue that makes him look like a Greek god. Aquaman is from Atlantis, WW is an Amazon/demigod who fights mythological characters and monsters....and then you have Batman, who dresses like a bat, but he has become an urban myth.

 

[DiFabio]

I've always thought Batman and Suprrman had this iconic, mythic quality. Moreso than other comic book heroes, not just Marvel, but other DC characters too.



The realism thing is annoying though. That seems to be WB and DC's MO now. The first Iron Man and Captain America: Winter Soldier are just as "realistic" as any WB/DC movie in my opinion.