Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[karamazov80]

I wonder what he will think when he watches Superman 2 and sees Superman and Lois Lane killing the Kryptonians and then make joke of it?

He'll think that he missed this scene:

 

[Devil_666]

Had he chosen not to off himself with high winds he would've lived a miserable life anyways after what transpired at Metropolis at the hands of his clumsy son.

Billions in lawsuits on his dumb ass farm for keeping Kal a secret.

That's what he gets for owning a stupid dog anyways instead of a cat and harboring a Trump fugative.

 

[jye4ever]

LOL X A BILLION

Saved!

Can you please make my Hulk tooth twinkle once more.

 

[Devil_666]

You're not a premium member. GIFS are for blah blah blah MONEY.

 

[GasparZizou]

Nah. It was probably when he made the decision to have a knock down, drag out, no holds barred superhuman brawl in the middle of a densely populated urban area and pay no regard whatsoever to the wanton destruction his actions wrought. There wasn't even an attempt on his part to take the battle elsewhere or minimise the resulting carnage. Not one moments pause after needlessly and bizarrely side-stepping an oil tanker slung at him, leading to an explosion that could easily have been avoided if he wasn't so overcome by anger and the thought of kicking a fellow Kryptonians arse (a couple of traits most people wouldn't consider should take precedence over caring about civilians when you're talking about the character of Superman) that he forgot how to catch. Not content with the chaos caused thus far, good old Supes then decides to make things even worse by smashing Zod out of an already decimated area into a different, as yet untouched, heavily populated, part of the city. For no reason whatsoever. Why? So some more **** can get smashed up? Wasn't there also a bit where a building collapses due (directly) to a sonic boom caused by one of Superman's thunderous punches? The entire building just collapses and 'the symbol of hope' doesn't even turn his head and mutter 'oops'? In Superman II, Clark lost control in the heat of battle but belatedly recognised the danger and panic his duking it out with a triumvirate of Kryptonian criminals, slap bang in the middle of the city, was causing. He fled, knowing that he could draw Zod and co away, get them to follow him to the Fortress Of Solitude and finish the battle away from any innocent bystanders. All it took to trigger such pangs of conscience was an exploding Coke sign, a few upturned phone boxes and a flying bus. Even in the much panned Superman Returns, SuperStalker was shown to be aware of and ready to react to potential dangers to the public whilst pursuing his primary objective. In Man Of Steel he doesn't even spare a thought for the people about to be crushed under falling rubble etc. He can't take a moment to rescue anybody nearby because the brawl is so intense, yet he can speed off to save Lois the minute he learns of her being in trouble? Then casually stand around asking how she's doing while people are suffocating and struggling to dig themselves out of the buildings he brought down round about them? Such selflessness is the stuff super heroes are made of.

Oh god it's that post again...

-No no sonic boom brought a building down, nothing Superman did actually caused damage in Metropolis, that was all Zod
-Yes he tried to take both fights elsewere, at least the 1st one you can clearly see he tries to fly Faora out.
-Yes he took the 1st one to Smallville in anger, but the Military did the rest.
-Yes he did try to save people.

Ugh, whatever... I don't have the energy for this again, sorry, I don't even want to finish the list, just read the MoS thread I bet you can find that exact same argument every 3 pages from someone else who didn't pay attention to the movie.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[jye4ever]

You're not a premium member. GIFS are for blah blah blah MONEY.

Btw my wife loves your sig, women are vicious.

 

[Devil_666]

That's 1000x worse than snapping the neck of Goober Zod.

 

[Jack D]

Haha great work on that one Devil, definitely made me laugh out loud abruptly when I scrolled to it.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nah. It was probably when he made the decision to have a knock down, drag out, no holds barred superhuman brawl in the middle of a densely populated urban area and pay no regard whatsoever to the wanton destruction his actions wrought.

First of all, he avoided fighting by turning himself in, that was HIS decision. Second of all, there are 2 fights, and neither were really initiated by Superman since his choice was to find a peaceful resolution. The first fight was when Zod was going to kill Clark's mother and he crossed the line and at this point Sups had seen in that "dream/vision" what Zod's plan was, so his emotions got the best of him in that moment...yeah..what a jerk that guy, saving his mother and feeling human emotions because someone was going to kill his mother!!

You also have to keep in mind that he's never been in a fight in his entire life. He's been Superman for less than a day. In fact, he doesn't even know what he's truly capable of because he has spent his entire life suppressing his abilities. Also, he was't just fighting and using his abilities for the first time, he had to do that against several opponents of equal strength, whose sole purpose was to kill and destroy. They weren't just going to fly away to a deserted area Dragon Ball Z style. They were there to hurt and kill people., even Feora told him, "For every human you try to save, we'll kill a million more." Had Superman just left them, do you really think they would have just followed him? So not only does he have to deal with controlling his own powers, but also keeping several evil Kryptonians and their technology from killing people while he's also getting shot at by the military...you know, the very people he's trying to save. It has to be very overwhelming to go from being a boat man or farmer or whatever he was doing, to dealing with his abilities, an alien invasion, the us government, and keeping as many civilians from dying with one day of experience.

Superman had more experience in Superman 2. He had already saved the world once and if you want to talk about bad choices, why didn't Superman reverse time and avoid the fight to begin with? He has the power to do it, but he still chose to fight. Not to mention, Superman attacks a civilian at the end of the film because he had to get his revenge after he got punched by some meaningless human in the beginning of he film...then he flies away and gives his creepy smile, that apparently has the power to erase people's minds...that's if the nostalgia glasses didn't do that already.

The fight with Zod at the end of MOS was dangerous, but again, if you watch that fight, Zod was the one causing most of the damage and dominating the fight...in fact, at some point Superman was the one chasing Zod, so the idea that Sups can take the fight somewhere else is silly since Zod wanted to be there. Also, you said Sups didn't save people when he was fighting, and that's not true. He save a soldier after a van hit a helicopter and he even asked him if he was ok. He saved Colonel Hardy from getting killed by Feora.. He saved humanity by traveling to the other side of the world and destroying the world engine...sorry he's not Dr. Manhatan and can't be in two places at once to stop the other Kyptonians from destroying PART of ONE city. I forget the part of a city is more important than the whole world to some people

And the bottom line is, Sups did the best he could considering all he had to deal with for the first time. More experience versions of Supeman in comics, animated films, and the Justice League cartoon, do the same thing. They all fight in cities, there's plenty of destruction, everyone likes it, and no one has a problem



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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

He'll think that he missed this scene:

Too bad that doesn't count, just like the extended T2 edition doesn't count. Only the theatrical version matters and is "canon"...if there's such a thing.

 

[a-dev]

First of all, he avoided fighting by turning himself in, that was HIS decision. Second of all, there are 2 fights, and neither were really initiated by Superman since his choice was to find a peaceful resolution. The first fight was when Zod was going to kill Clark's mother and he crossed the line and at this point Sups had seen in that "dream/vision" what Zod's plan was, so his emotions got the best of him in that moment...yeah..what a jerk that guy, saving his mother and feeling human emotions because someone was going to kill his mother!!

Hard to refute most of that. I would only say that this part^ has him doing something kinda silly. He's trying to save Ma Kent from Zod - he flies into Zod and batters him across a huge field, fine. Except he left his mother behind with Faora and the other Kryptonians! He was damn lucky the rest of them didn't decide to just kill Ma Kent immediately before setting off in pursuit to assist Zod, which they easily could have done. Really Superman's move should have been to swoop in, grab Mrs Kent and fly the **** out of there.

 

[ishothimsixtimes]

Oh god it's that post again...

-No no sonic boom brought a building down, nothing Superman did actually caused damage in Metropolis, that was all Zod
-Yes he tried to take both fights elsewere, at least the 1st one you can clearly see he tries to fly Faora out.
-Yes he took the 1st one to Smallville in anger, but the Military did the rest.
-Yes he did try to save people.

Ugh, whatever... I don't have the energy for this again, sorry, I don't even want to finish the list, just read the MoS thread I bet you can find that exact same argument every 3 pages from someone else who didn't pay attention to the movie.

Nothing to do with Superman? It was all Zod? What, was he flinging himself through the air, grabbing his own hair and hammering his head into the ground, throwing himself through buildings in a virtuoso one man display of physical comedy comparable to Bruce Campbell in Evil Dead II? Did he have a possessed hand as well? I kind of switched off after watching **** explode for the eighteenth time (you're right I found little in that film to hold my attention). Maybe it's a common trait with Kryptonians and Kal-El had an evil hand with a mind all of it's own as well. Can you imagine? Superman could end up going around snapping necks and ****. {Shudder}Nooo, the thought's too terrible to contemplate.

Actually, it probably would've worked a hell of a lot better if, after finishing off Zod, Superman just stood up, threw his arms in the air and pleaded innocence, shouting "EVIL HAND, EVIL HAND" instead of letting out that tortured scream. At least then it would be a bit more believable that he 'had no choice'.

 

[olbertfrog]

"Superman destroyed and killed everyone... Oh wait i wasnt really paying attention as i did not care **** blowing up for the xxxx time"

Gaspard, the clown, dont bother this is pure hater, troll trap.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wish that happened a lot more around here.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Hard to refute most of that. I would only say that this part^ has him doing something kinda silly. He's trying to save Ma Kent from Zod - he flies into Zod and batters him across a huge field, fine. Except he left his mother behind with Faora and the other Kryptonians! He was damn lucky the rest of them didn't decide to just kill Ma Kent immediately before setting off in pursuit to assist Zod, which they easily could have done. Really Superman's move should have been to swoop in, grab Mrs Kent and fly the **** out of there.

Yeah, that's true. But I give him a pass on that one because in situations like that humans/peole often don't always do the logical thing, they let their emotions take over, hence he beats the **** out of him. If I saw someone hit my mother, I might react that way, but hopefully, Sups learns some self control.

 

[GasparZizou]

bless you Jye.

Nothing to do with Superman? It was all Zod? What, was he flinging himself through the air, grabbing his own hair and hammering his head into the ground, throwing himself through buildings in a virtuoso one man display of physical comedy comparable to Bruce Campbell in Evil Dead II? Did he have a possessed hand as well? I kind of switched off after watching **** explode for the eighteenth time (you're right I found little in that film to hold my attention). Maybe it's a common trait with Kryptonians and Kal-El had an evil hand with a mind all of it's own as well. Can you imagine? Superman could end up going around snapping necks and ****. {Shudder}Nooo, the thought's too terrible to contemplate.

Actually, it probably would've worked a hell of a lot better if, after finishing off Zod, Superman just stood up, threw his arms in the air and pleaded innocence, shouting "EVIL HAND, EVIL HAND" instead of letting out that tortured scream. At least then it would be a bit more believable that he 'had no choice'.

There was literally only 2 times Superman was the direct cause of destruction in Metropolis.

1.- He dragged Zod over a row of windows.
2.- The tackled Zod through some steel beams on a deserted Lex Corp construction site.

That's it, and that's all I have for you for real this time, I wasn't exaggerating or kidding when I told you to read the MoS thread, I can literally copy/paste replies from that thread to your posts, and I know how your posts are going to progress, we've done that, I don't even dare to count how many times, but if you really think Superman is responsible, you didn't pay attention.

Man of Murder has been rendered to a meaningless meme at this point who people use just for the lols.

 

[GasparZizou]

Gaspard, the clown, dont bother this is pure hater, troll trap.

I don't think he's trolling, I think his opinion is honest, but unfortunately he came late to the MoS bashing party and everybody's too tired of that to keep up with him again.

 

[Devil_666]

He was damn lucky the rest of them didn't decide to just kill Ma Kent immediately before setting off in pursuit to assist Zod, which they easily could have done.

Not really. They threatened his moms, it didn't work. At that moment what's more important from their POV: saving their leader Zod, or killing someone (who poses no threat to them) that's going to die anyways once they start up that world engine thingy? If you're holding someone hostage and the person you're threatening fights back and starts ****ing up someone on your squad NO ONE immediately kills the hostage before helping their comrade. Doesn't happen in movies OR in real life.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nothing to do with Superman? It was all Zod? What, was he flinging himself through the air, grabbing his own hair and hammering his head into the ground, throwing himself through buildings in a virtuoso one man display of physical comedy comparable to Bruce Campbell in Evil Dead II? Did he have a possessed hand as well? I kind of switched off after watching **** explode for the eighteenth time (you're right I found little in that film to hold my attention). Maybe it's a common trait with Kryptonians and Kal-El had an evil hand with a mind all of it's own as well. Can you imagine? Superman could end up going around snapping necks and ****. {Shudder}Nooo, the thought's too terrible to contemplate.

Actually, it probably would've worked a hell of a lot better if, after finishing off Zod, Superman just stood up, threw his arms in the air and pleaded innocence, shouting "EVIL HAND, EVIL HAND" instead of letting out that tortured scream. At least then it would be a bit more believable that he 'had no choice'.

Zod was the one throwing Superman around. Only once did Superman actually pushed Zod towards a building and the damage was minimal, just a few broken windows.