Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[ishothimsixtimes]

bless you Jye.


There was literally only 2 times Superman was the direct cause of destruction in Metropolis.

1.- He dragged Zod over a row of windows.
2.- The tackled Zod through some steel beams on a deserted Lex Corp construction site.

That's it, and that's all I have for you for real this time, I wasn't exaggerating or kidding when I told you to read the MoS thread, I can literally copy/paste replies from that thread to your posts, and I know how your posts are going to progress, we've done that, I don't even dare to count how many times, but if you really think Superman is responsible, you didn't pay attention.

Man of Murder has been rendered to a meaningless meme at this point who people use just for the lols.

Fair enough. Although, I wasn't actually claiming he was 'responsible'. More like showing a lack of regard to the rack and ruin all around.

I wasn't being flippant when I said I lost interest in the movie either. I (admittedly) watched it only the once and found it to be a po faced, confused mess, trying to overcompensate for the 'lack of action' criticisms levelled at Superman Returns. I've never wanted to revisit it and I really don't have the inclination to read the MOS thread, but I don't doubt you when you say such arguments have been done to death by now. Sorry if you're sick of hearing such laims, but I was just giving my take on it and it's not like I've got any attention of harping on about it.

My own pre-conceived notion of what Superman should be and how he should react in certain situations is shaped by the first Christopher Reeve movie and comic books where Jimmy Olsen transforms into a werewolf or Lois Lane becomes so fat that, if she fell over, she'd rock herself to sleep trying to get back up again. A more serious, more realistic, grim and gritty version of Superman is never going to sit right with me so I'm clearly not the guy MOS was aimed at. If this was a straight up sequal then I'd have absolutely no intention of seeing it.

I said in an earlier post on this thread that the only real interest I've got in this movie is seeing how successfully they pull off a more senior Batman.

 

[GasparZizou]

No man it's no your fault it's just I don't have the energy to go through that again, I hope it didn't sound like I was trying to undermine your arguments, the MoS thread really got the worst out of people and it was before the new code of conduct, everybody went ape****.

I would say more than Superman don't giving a ****, that he was overwhelmed by the scale of the threat, I love classic Superman too and it's true this one MoS started out with the left foot for those who were expecting the verbatim adaptation of the origins, I adapted to that, personally I expect BvS to set the Superman we all know, I wouldn't want to see the same Superman we saw in MoS.

 

[batfan08]

I must say that I think people should take a moment and consider the whole "moving the battle" thing. People already criticized the fight scenes were drawn out too much. I want you to imagine how drawn out they would seem if it was just Superman vs. Zod, Faora, and Nam-Ek in the middle of a desolate cornfield. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, as I do think that Superman could've shown a little more restraint, but it is a valid question: is the most reasonable solution the most entertaining one?

 

[Wor-Gar]

I've tried to read the last few pages but just can't get through it. Are you guys still arguing about Superman's responsibility in the havoc of Metropolis?

I hope you're applying this to some real world situation -- like our responsibility to the ME after years of war or Putin's responsibility to Ukraine -- and not just geeking out on some teenage tangent like 'who would win in a fight?'




There will be a quiz in the morning.

 

[GasparZizou]

I must say that I think people should take a moment and consider the whole "moving the battle" thing. People already criticized the fight scenes were drawn out too much. I want you to imagine how drawn out they would seem if it was just Superman vs. Zod, Faora, and Nam-Ek in the middle of a desolate cornfield. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, as I do think that Superman could've shown a little more restraint, but it is a valid question: is the most reasonable solution the most entertaining one?

I think, the initial fit of rage is understandible, the fight could've ended in a cornfield but they chose to put in the town.

Then later on the military arrive making it a bigger mess, then later you can see Superman trying to fly Faora out of the town to be intercepted by Nam-Ek.

But in answer to your question I think they could've made an entertaining fight outside of the town, so yes.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

comic books where Jimmy Olsen transforms into a wolf or Lois Lane becomes so fat that, if she fell over, she'd rock herself to sleep trying to get back up again.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I must say that I think people should take a moment and consider the whole "moving the battle" thing. People already criticized the fight scenes were drawn out too much. I want you to imagine how drawn out they would seem if it was just Superman vs. Zod, Faora, and Nam-Ek in the middle of a desolate cornfield. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, as I do think that Superman could've shown a little more restraint, but it is a valid question: is the most reasonable solution the most entertaining one?

A better question is, how are people going to react when they watch Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman and some other villain fighting in a city? Are they going to go ape **** again and complain about it even though Sups and Bats fight in a city in TDKR comic? However, giving what happened in MOS, should Superman learn from his past experience and avoid fighting in a city again? Does Batman fighting Superman really make sense after he saw the destruction of metropolis and he blames Superman? If Batman blames Sups for the destruction...isn't it a bad idea to fight him in a city, which is the thing that made him angry to begin with?

 

[GasparZizou]

You read the leaked plot didn't you?

Spoiler

Since it says Doomsday will aim for Maximum Casualties IN the city.

And Batman is going to fight Supes in an abandoned neighborhood which Wayne Enterprises is going to rebuild for low income families.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nope, and I didn't quote you because I don't want to find out what's behind that box But now I'm tempted

 

[Rorywan]

A better question is, how are people going to react when they watch Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman and some other villain fighting in a city? Are they going to go ape **** again and complain about it even though Sups and Bats fight in a city in TDKR comic? However, giving what happened in MOS, should Superman learn from his past experience and avoid fighting in a city again? Does Batman fighting Superman really make sense after he saw the destruction of metropolis and he blames Superman? If Batman blames Sups for the destruction...isn't it a bad idea to fight him in a city, which is the thing that made him angry to begin with?

An even bigger question is this. Batman is a human, the whole human population lost their friggin minds when Superman appeared. How will they respond to an amazonian princess with a magic lasso and an invisible jet plane?

Marvel dealt with it's inherent silliness by being inherently silly. If Snyder doesn't deal some humour into this it could be absolutely retarded.

The only comparison is Watchmen, which worked because it was a postmodern look at just how ridiculous the whole superhero concept is. It was never trying to depict a reality outside it's fantastically written study on comic books.

I get a sense from this trailer that Snyder and Co are trying to take this seriously. That was what they set up in MOS, with Nolan's help.
Could be a friggen disaster.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

An even bigger question is this. Batman is a human, the whole human population lost their friggin minds when Superman appeared. How will they respond to an amazonian princess with a magic lasso and an invisible jet plane?

Marvel dealt with it's inherent silliness by being inherently silly. If Snyder doesn't deal some humour into this it could be absolutely retarded.

The only comparison is Watchmen, which worked because it was a postmodern look at just how ridiculous the whole superhero concept is. It was never trying to depict a reality outside it's fantastically written study on comic books.

I get a sense from this trailer that Snyder and Co are trying to take this seriously. That was what they set up in MOS, with Nolan's help.
Could be a friggen disaster.

Wait until the fishman jumps out of the water with his trident and riding a seahorse and he invites them to his underwater kingdom I think the Justice League will have humor, especially once the characters are interacting with each other. Batman has to be serious because that's his thing, but some humor can come from that too, if the other characters have distinct personalities. I like the modern Green Lantern, he's a complete ass****, but you put him next to a serious Batman, and it's gold.

 

[batfan08]

I still think it would be ****ing great if Aquaman was pissed off and trying to kill Superman because of how much damage the World Engine did to the Indian Ocean.

 

[GasparZizou]

Wait until the fishman jumps out of the water with his trident and riding a seahorse and he invites them to his underwater kingdom I think the Justice League will have humor, especially once the characters are interacting with each other. Batman has to be serious because that's his thing, but some humor can come from that too, if the other characters have distinct personalities. I like the modern Green Lantern, he's a complete ass****, but you put him next to a serious Batman, and it's gold.

We could be getting exactly that since Geoff Jhons hopped on board

 

[EVILFACE]

I still think it would be ****ing great if Aquaman was pissed off and trying to kill Superman because of how much damage the World Engine did to the Indian Ocean.

Great. Now we are going to get pages and pages about how Superman let the fish die.

 

[batfan08]

Great. Now we are going to get pages and pages about how Superman let the fish die.

If it gets us a Devil shopped pic of an anti-alien dolphin protest, then I'm game.

 

[RIDDICK]

I hope you're applying this to some real world situation -- like Putin's responsibility to Ukraine.

Ummm...

 

[jye4ever]

I already don't buy into Batman going after Superman just because Wayne tower came down and killed all his employees.

BW is intelligent enough to just hear Superman out and easily comprehend that Superman saved 4.5 billion people.

His distrust is going to come off very artificial if BW isn't capable of seeing the bigger picture right away.

Nope, we will have to sit thru a silly artificial conflict first before WW swoops in and uses her lasso to set things straight.

WB should replace the senator with Trump.

 

[jpuli28]

I don't understand why people want to force reality into the world of fantasy, from movies to PF's. These things were created to afford an escape from reality and immerse ourselves into imagination which has no boundaries or limitations. If the end product affords enough realism to make the world mentally tangible to immerse yourself into, then great. If not don't force it or hate on it because it wasn't "real". None of this would be here if it all had to be realistic (just sayin').

 

[olbertfrog]

I dont thinkSnyder approach is realistic.
It has the costume of reality but its very comic booky.
Nolan did realistic, naturalism even.
Now that i have seen all those recent animated DC flicks, they all deal with Superman and co the same way Snyder did.
Only thing missing so far is a little humor, and i insist on little cozi dont want this to go Marvel.
That meet up between Lantern and Bat in WAR was pretty cool, the whole relation between the two in that anime was very cool.

As for why Bat will go against Supes, doubt it will be just because of his building collapsing.
The guy probably felt helpless when he witnessed Metropolis battle, just like when he was a child in that Alley, spychology and ****, and rememeber this is bat ala DKR.
First he's got to up his game, those new superhumans players are a new potential threat and not just for Gotham but the world.
Then whatever is Superman agenda is, and i think that he goes reluctantlyto capitol hill to explain himself, Batman to be able to stop him just in case the guy wants to rule the world or be the gouvernement puppet. Batman looks pretty brutal and Supes will have to check him out, both think they re right but dont trust each other.
I doubt Bat will be satisfied by "you can trust me im from kansas".

 

[karamazov80]

Fair enough. Although, I wasn't actually claiming he was 'responsible'. More like showing a lack of regard to the rack and ruin all around.

I wasn't being flippant when I said I lost interest in the movie either. I (admittedly) watched it only the once and found it to be a po faced, confused mess, trying to overcompensate for the 'lack of action' criticisms levelled at Superman Returns. I've never wanted to revisit it and I really don't have the inclination to read the MOS thread, but I don't doubt you when you say such arguments have been done to death by now. Sorry if you're sick of hearing such laims, but I was just giving my take on it and it's not like I've got any attention of harping on about it.

My own pre-conceived notion of what Superman should be and how he should react in certain situations is shaped by the first Christopher Reeve movie and comic books where Jimmy Olsen transforms into a werewolf or Lois Lane becomes so fat that, if she fell over, she'd rock herself to sleep trying to get back up again. A more serious, more realistic, grim and gritty version of Superman is never going to sit right with me so I'm clearly not the guy MOS was aimed at. If this was a straight up sequal then I'd have absolutely no intention of seeing it.

I said in an earlier post on this thread that the only real interest I've got in this movie is seeing how successfully they pull off a more senior Batman.

This man knows of what he speaks.