Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[RIDDICK]

 

[GasparZizou]

Gaspar?

Anything to add?

(Don't tear down your Cavill posters in a bedroom outrage, it's only a movie man.)

My bedroom is a mess now thanks to you, no more MoS posters, sniff sniff.
I was actually reading that article right now in the middle of typing my response

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Gaspar read this.. end of conversation.
The MOS suit was a sculpted body suit.
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"Once the final design was approved, the construction process began - and what a process it was! The team started with 3-D clay models, and then moved on to full digital body scans of actor Henry Cavill, which were used to create a "chromed muscle suit" as a base for the costume. Michael pointed out that a lot of muscle definition is lost with leotards, and so they had to build it back into the suit to make sure Superman looked strong. Collaborator Eddie Yang used sophisticated design software to insert perfectly symmetrical, "alien" details into the suit. His work was then sent to a 3-D printer, and the resulting molds were used to create the eighteen duplicate suits for the film, with more pliable, movable fabrics."

Michael Wilkinson - MOS designer

Yup. No sculpted body suit here! My bad.

This was my response before that, but you can scratch that.

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The MOS suit is a complete fake muscle suit!
Jesus man, google it and you will see it standing up on it's own, with complete chest definition.
It was a neoprene undersuit, with a sculpted silicone musculature, chromed (man of steel) and netted over in blue fabric. Same guys made Tobey's Sculpted Spider-suit.
Told you i held the ****ing thing in my hands, but don't believe me mate.
The damn thing was on display around the world.

No no I believe you

I mean it's obvious it's neoprene and fabric on top, it's the musculature part I disagree with, you say it's fully fake when in reality it isn't.

You can tell by looking at the pics, if you'd be so kind to look at Henry's right cheek, you can see the division between his real cheek and his fake cheek

Well, it is a little more sculpt than I originally thought, I give you that, but it's still mostly Henry Cavill what you see there, like I said the padding was used to highlight the muscles that are already there and your very quote says so, some of the layers of sculpt you see are so thin you can see the black of the neoprene suit come through, if that's what you mean by a fully fake muscle suit then yeah ok, you're right.

But when you said it was a complete fake muscle suit I honestly thought something like the Flash 90's TV show or Nic Cage Superman covered in fabric, like straight up 100% fake muscle on top of the actor.

I'd still be hesitant to call that a fully fake torso though, I mean, you can see how thin the layers of sculpt are in that middle pic.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yup. No sculpted body suit here! My bad.

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I'd still be hesitant to call that a fully fake torso though, I mean, you can see how thin the layers of sculpt are in that middle pic.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

Yup. No sculpted body suit here! My bad.

Huh, makes sense. If it was 100% Cavil it wouldn't look as ripped. That's Movie magic!

 

[GasparZizou]

C'mon Prince , he literally said "complete fake muscle suit", he implied it was 100% fake, and he specifically quoted my "not 100% fake torso", then he proceeds to post a far from 100% fake torso.

I never said there wasn't any fake muscle at all, quite the opposite, I said the fake muscle blends perfectly in the MoS suit and you can find my comment on that, I said it was here and there to give edge to the muscles, sure it was more sculpting than I thought, but still, that's not a 100% fake torso at all. Am I really wrong for thinking that's not a fully fake torso and instead has sculpt to accentuate the muscles that are already there like I initially said?

If anything there's more sculpt than I originally thought, as far as that goes I was wrong indeed.

 

[amvmm]

Chris Pine will play Wonder Woman's Steve Trevor

Chris Pine Will Play Wonder Woman's Steve Trevor - IGN

I coudn't find the Wonder Woman thread. He wasn't supposed to be Green Lantern?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

C'mon Prince , he literally said "complete fake muscle suit", he implied it was 100% fake, and he specifically quoted my "not 100% fake torso", then he proceeds to post a far from 100% fake torso.

I never said there wasn't any fake muscle at all, quite the opposite, I said the fake muscle blends perfectly in the MoS suit and you can find my comment on that, I said it was here and there to give edge to the muscles, sure it was more sculpting than I thought, but still, that's not a 100% fake torso at all. Am I really wrong for thinking that's not a fully fake torso and instead has sculpt to accentuate the muscles that are already there like I initially said?

If anything there's more sculpt than I originally thought, as far as that goes I was wrong indeed.

I see, but looking at the pic, what's left? I mean, I guess technically he said it was a complete 100% muscle suit and there are a few gaps without the muscle plates, so I guess you're technically right. Man, you just Ninja your way out of that one


If they used a digital scan of Cavill's body to create the plates that go under the suit, does that mean those muscle plates are a copy of Cavill's real muscles? If so, does it still count as a muscle suit if the "fake" muscles under the suit are Cavill's digitally scanned body parts?

The team started with 3-D clay models, and then moved on to full digital body scans of actor Henry Cavill, which were used to create a "chromed muscle suit"

 

[GasparZizou]

I see, but looking at the pic, what's left? I mean, I guess technically he said it was a complete 100% muscle suit and there are a few little tiny gaps with out the muscle plates, so I guess you're techniclly right. Man, you just Ninja your way out of that one

If they used a digital scan of Cavill's body to create the plates that go under the suit, does that mean those muscle plates are a copy of Cavill's real muscles? If so, does it still count as a muscle suit if the "fake" muscles under the suit are Cavill's digitally scanned body parts?

Really? A little less than half of the actual torso has zero sculpt on it, then on the upper part you can see how thin the clay layers are in the middle pic, before they're covered with chrome paint, some of them are almost transparent of how thin they are, that's the actual clay or foam, I bet if you pealed off that foam in the middle pic you can roll it into a ball smaller than your fist, that's literally just a little more sculpt than what I pictured, when someone says fully fake muscle suit I picture Rick Warburton's costume for the Tick not some neoprene with some sculpt on top.

 

[jye4ever]

I bet WB/DC are scared out of their minds that this movie will flop.

 

[Khev]

I bet WB/DC are scared out of their minds that this movie will flop.

90 days after The Force Awakens and 40 days before Civil War gives them a nice clear playing field. A $100 million opening weekend is pretty much a guarantee. Will it get close to $200 million though? Will be interesting to see.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah BO-wise this movie is pretty safe, and with the Suicide Squad hype all WB's eggs are no longer in one single basket.

If both movies are decent they might still pull it off, I do hope they're more than just decent though.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

So.. when was David Spade cast in this???

 

[Solidus]

That Lex Luthor is just wrong... even Smallville had a better Lex.

 

[Natalielovecraft]

Might be the wrong Lex to some but ill give them this much, at least he seems to not only be about getting more land, he seems to be a well rounded character.
Is it the Lex we know? probably not, he seems like this 30 something millionaire who is going for a world brand image , who has too much money to spend... basically the Jesse Eisenberg version of Lex and if the case, they cast the right guy

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I like this modern Lex, and it's seems definitely better than Hackman's Luthor from the old films. That version was only interested in real-estate and he was surrounded by a bunch of morons, which is not a smart move for the world's smartest man. Same goes for the Returns version.

As far as Eisenberg, I like the white Jacket, it fits the character and by the end of the film he'll probably be bald because he either gets sick, or poisoned by the kryptonite. But, even with the hair, that's true to the character and his origin. I also think this "facebook" Lex is more appropriate and relevant in today's world than the 80's business guy who was also dated and very specific to a decade, 30 years ago, so it might not be the best choice for a film in 2016 to have a 80's stereotypical villain/ business mogul. Because before the 80's, that wasn't Luthor either, that was just a product of THAT decade. The best thing about this Lex is that he has room to grow and evolve if they do a good job with the character.

 

[GasparZizou]

I agree, with all the superficial changes they're making to certain characters, and after seeing Gods and Monsters, this and Suicide Squad definitely feel like something Bruce Timm would do.

You're right about the internet empire guy being more relevant today, while I still prefer classic business Lex, I'm honestly more afraid of Google than I am of Donald Trump

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I agree, with all the superficial changes they're making to certain characters, and after seeing Gods and Monsters, this and Suicide Squad definitely feel like something Bruce Timm would do.

You're right about the internet empire guy being more relevant today, while I still prefer classic business Lex, I'm honestly more afraid of Google than I am of Donald Trump

Donald Trump He even has the weird hair that looks like a wig and he's running for president like Lex...holy crap! He is Lex! Still, he's a product of the 80's, so again, a younger Lex in today's world probably looks more like the facebook guy, not a 70 year old guy from the 80's.

 

[GasparZizou]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yeah, he was probably the inspiration for the 80's Lex.

I can totally pictured 80's Lex on the cover of GQ magazine doing this same pose, like Trump in 1984.

Today's "evil" business mogul.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Jester Iceberg still looks like Spade though, can't unsee it now.