Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[IrishJedi]

Still enjoying this thread.

 

[olbertfrog]

The flashy dog fights, the orange little minion sage lady, Emperor Snoke, the Han Solo freighter squids all looked fake to me. Hardly photorealistic. There was no getting passed it. Even elements that have practical hero props like BB8 or that fat junk dealer looked unrealistic when they were baby booping as they were rolling around grappling in the Falcon or talking with clearly enhanced CG facial features. That Death Star snow battle, on the ground (the lightsaber duel) and in the air (the dog fight)? That looked no more real than this rainy, city environment where Batman and Superman are duking it out. The actors were clearly in a sound stage with the environment added in digitally. Han Solo falling to his death looks about as real as Superman flying through the air with Zod or Batman.

Not that these are bad things, that's just what these kind of movies are now.

The only movies I saw last year where the CGI wasn't distractingly fake was Mad Max and the Revenant, but I suspect that's because they were used sparingly to either enhance the chase scenes (though that nuclear storm looked kinda fake) or bear mauling sequences. These big budget superhero and action flicks though? They all look like crappy effect movies from 2015. I guess what makes Batman v Superman stand out is it's dark, heavily filtered world. Other than that though, I see no difference in quality when it comes to it's effects. For all the griping there is, how come nobody is praising the look of Armored Batman in most shots? He's entirely CGI save for Affleck's mouth and looks completely photo realistic, and yet I don't see a single person mention how great Batman looks.

Amen to that.

 

[Rorywan]

Well there's no accounting for taste. I heard people say the same about the CG in SuckerPunch.
Superman with that rocket tip? Seriously?

Everyone has an opinion, and unlike some others on here I don't try to insult others who have differing opinions then mine.
I guess we will all see in a few weeks.

 

[olbertfrog]

Well there's no accounting for taste. I heard people say the same about the CG in SuckerPunch.

Everyone has an opinion, and unlike some others on here I don't try to insult others who have differing opinions then mine.
I guess we will all see in a few weeks.

Amen to that too

 

[spindrift]

The flashy dog fights, the orange little minion sage lady, Emperor Snoke, the Han Solo freighter squids all looked fake to me. Hardly photorealistic. There was no getting passed it. Even elements that have practical hero props like BB8 or that fat junk dealer looked unrealistic when they were baby booping as they were rolling around grappling in the Falcon or talking with clearly enhanced CG facial features. That Death Star snow battle, on the ground (the lightsaber duel) and in the air (the dog fight)? That looked no more real than this rainy, city environment where Batman and Superman are duking it out. The actors were clearly in a sound stage with the environment added in digitally. Han Solo falling to his death looks about as real as Superman flying through the air with Zod or Batman.

Not that these are bad things, that's just what these kind of movies are now.

The only movies I saw last year where the CGI wasn't distractingly fake was Mad Max and the Revenant, but I suspect that's because they were used sparingly to either enhance the chase scenes (though that nuclear storm looked kinda fake) or bear mauling sequences. These big budget superhero and action flicks though? They all look like crappy effect movies from 2015. I guess what makes Batman v Superman stand out is it's dark, heavily filtered world. Other than that though, I see no difference in quality when it comes to it's effects. For all the griping there is, how come nobody is praising the look of Armored Batman in most shots? He's entirely CGI save for Affleck's mouth and looks completely photo realistic, and yet I don't see a single person mention how great Batman looks.

Perfectly said- the environment of BvS is moody and forboding- it wants to be that

 

[karamazov80]

I agree that the vast majority of superhero movies have cheesy CG at one point or another. Even Star Wars had it, as Fabio said, with the emperor guy and the old alien woman. Those were about as convincing to me as "real" characters as the fry cook guy from the prequels. Overall, I try to accept it though, because as mentioned, you can't avoid it.

Since so much of this movie is dark and covered in shadows and rain, etc., they might not be as noticeable on the whole. But Man of Steel was really annoying at the end when it felt like an extended videogame cut sequence. And even in some instances when it would make sense to use practical effects (Batman hanging from the chimney or whatever before zip-lining), they seem to default to CG. But maybe it won't be as distracting as it was in Man of Steel. We'll see.

To Evilface's post, I'm honestly not super hyped about this, or any other superhero movie. It's just hard to be at this point, since we've been bombarded with so damn many of them. And growing up, I wasn't a Marvel or DC guy. I had a foot firmly planted in both companies' products. I had Secret Wars and Super Powers toys. I loved Super Friends, and Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. I had Superman the Movie, and the Hulk and Spidey live action stuff on Betamax. So the superhero team-up isn't doing much for me in itself, either, as the novelty has worn off. But for those of you who couldn't care less about Marvel, I can see this movie as being pretty exciting.

 

[Rorywan]

Still enjoying this thread.

Oh.. it's you.. Knew you would stick your droidy astromech head in here sooner than later.

 

[Rorywan]

I agree that the vast majority of superhero movies have cheesy CG at one point or another. Even Star Wars had it, as Fabio said, with the emperor guy and the old alien woman. Those were about as convincing to me as "real" characters as the fry cook guy from the prequels. Overall, I try to accept it though, because as mentioned, you can't avoid it.

Since so much of this movie is dark and covered in shadows and rain, etc., they might not be as noticeable on the whole. But Man of Steel was really annoying at the end when it felt like an extended videogame cut sequence. And even in some instances when it would make sense to use practical effects (Batman hanging from the chimney or whatever before zip-lining), they seem to default to CG. But maybe it won't be as distracting as it was in Man of Steel. We'll see.

To Evilface's post, I'm honestly not super hyped about this, or any other superhero movie. It's just hard to be at this point, since we've been bombarded with so damn many of them. And growing up, I wasn't a Marvel or DC guy. I had a foot firmly planted in both companies' products. I had Secret Wars and Super Powers toys. I loved Super Friends, and Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. I had Superman the Movie, and the Hulk and Spidey live action stuff on Betamax. So the superhero team-up isn't doing much for me in itself, either, as the novelty has worn off. But for those of you who couldn't care less about Marvel, I can see this movie as being pretty exciting.

This, it's true..all of it..

 

[spindrift]

Who cares about the CGI ...it's there and deal with it...the important thing is how good the story and acting are- I have great confidence Affleck knows what he is doing and had alot to say about the script....

 

[Darkseed]

Still enjoying this thread.

always a battle for supremacy of opinion.....

 

[Rorywan]

Who cares about the CGI ...it's there and deal with it...the important thing is how good the story and acting are- I have great confidence Affleck knows what he is doing and had alot to say about the script....

Exactly this. If the CG is crap then the acting and story/script can save the day.
Have you seen the previous trailers and clips? The ones with dialogue?

 

[greygoose]

Maybe.
If this was a straight up Batman movie I would be really looking forward to it.

I get what you mean, I'm excited to see it but with not being a Superman fan or a fan of MoS I'm hoping that the movie as a whole delivers. I don't want to be sat there wishing away the movie just so it can hurry up and get to the Batman scenes.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

As long as the characters are well written, I don't think many people would have the video game complaint. I think some people throw out the video game criticism when they're not invested in the characters so it just seems like they're just watching soul-less avatars. At least, that's what I felt for Man of Steel. If the characters were well-developed, I wouldn't have had that knock against the film. Gollum really stood out from the rest of the actors in the Lord of the Rings, but I liked the character so much, so I didn't use that complaint against him. Same with this Armored Batman. I'm invested in the character, so I'm loving it.

 

[Rorywan]

I am a superman fan too, and I adore Batman.

But I detest this incarnation of Superman. Cavill is a very poor actor, he seems like a cool guy in real life but on screen he is a walking plank.
I have yet to see him give a good performance. Man from uncle was embarassing. He might get away with that if the script is fantastic and diverts from his performance.

Affleck however could be tremendous as Batman. While I don't like the design of a lot of the new gear, I would still be hyped for a stand alone new Batman movie, even if Snyder was directing.

I will be the first to say that I thought the last trailer was much much better. But i believe it's not indicative of the movie we are getting.
This project has been extremely rocky behind the scenes. And the forced addition of more Batman into the mix is welcome but it also shows the insecurity of the studio and the rocky foundations that are being laid here. They also pulled the much maligned Luthor trailer which was attached to TFA after the bile that spewed forth online.

At this stage who knows. Some people here seem to have seen some of the movie or had insider info, that can also be misleading as you inherently like something a lot more if you think you are a special snowflake who has had early access. I was guilty of this myself with MOS.

Let's hope it's a success. Because I want to see Afflecks solo batman movie.

 

[DiFabio]

Like I said before this latest trailer even debuted. The fight between Batman and Superman and that warehouse solo Batman sequence towards the end of the third act are worth the price of admission alone for this one.


I didn't like most of Man of Steel, not because of the CGI, but just because it seemed drab and soulless. I actually liked the battle between Superman and the kryptonian chick and the other krypton soldiers. Even liked the Superman and Zod battle. One of the things that bugged me about Superman Returns was how "boring" it was when it came to showing off Superman's powers, strength and fighting prowess. I always wanted to see him go up against an enemy that was his equal that wasn't Terrance Stamp in front of a Coke sign or ****ing Nuclear Man on the moon. I got that with Man of Steel, but after a while, it felt like it was carrying on too long. How many times do I need to see them punch each other up the side of the building or through office complexes? After awhile it just comes of as destruction ****. By the neck snap, I just didn't really care about anything. Reading what I just typed though, I do come off as someone who can't be pleased I guess, but I can't help but feel balance is important.


From what I've seen with Batman v Superman, that isn't an issue.

Spoiler

After Batman gets ragdolled for most of the fight and it looks he's toast, that moment where Superman (and the audience) comes to the realization that Batman has been toying with him and had the upper hand, it's a great, well done scene. Same with Batman and Superman trucing because of Ma Kent and Luthor, just like Aquaman emerging from the underwater cave in a surveillance video, just like Wonder Woman's devilish smile and haughty, warrior laughter as she attacks "Doomsday".

I do think that this has potential to be better than Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel, which would be good enough for me.

 

[Rorywan]

Like I said before this latest trailer even debuted. The fight between Batman and Superman and that warehouse solo Batman sequence towards the end of the third act are worth the price of admission alone for this one.


I didn't like most of Man of Steel, not because of the CGI, but just because it seemed drab and soulless. I actually liked the battle between Superman and the kryptonian chick and the other krypton soldiers. Even liked the Superman and Zod battle. One of the things that bugged me about Superman Returns was how "boring" it was when it came to showing off Superman's powers, strength and fighting prowess. I always wanted to see him go up against an enemy that was his equal that wasn't Terrance Stamp in front of a Coke sign or ****ing Nuclear Man on the moon. I got that with Man of Steel, but after a while, it felt like it was carrying on too long. How many times do I need to see them punch each other up the side of the building or through office complexes? After awhile it just comes of as destruction ****. By the neck snap, I just didn't really care about anything. Reading what I just typed though, I do come off as someone who can't be pleased I guess, but I can't help but feel balance is important.


From what I've seen with Batman v Superman, that isn't an issue.

Spoiler

After Batman gets ragdolled for most of the fight and it looks he's toast, that moment where Superman (and the audience) comes to the realization that Batman has been toying with him and had the upper hand, it's a great, well done scene. Same with Batman and Superman trucing because of Ma Kent and Luthor, just like Aquaman emerging from the underwater cave in a surveillance video, just like Wonder Woman's devilish smile and haughty, warrior laughter as she attacks "Doomsday".

I do think that this has potential to be better than Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel, which would be good enough for me.

Well, I feel pretty much exactly as you about MOS, I thought it seemed drab and soulless because of the overuse of (the sometimes excellent) CG, but my biggest issue with it was how cheesy and idiotic it was at times, trying to be cool, cool in that *wear your baseball cap backwards* way. Which seems to be Snyder's style now. Superman Returns, like you said was pretty dull, but I did like some of the nostalgic sentimental stuff and the airplane rescue.

So hopefully you are right about this too man. I have seen nothing outside of the clips and trailers that have been released and I hate pretty much all of them so far, with the exception of this new fight scene.

 

[greygoose]

Like I said before this latest trailer even debuted. The fight between Batman and Superman and that warehouse solo Batman sequence towards the end of the third act are worth the price of admission alone for this one.


I didn't like most of Man of Steel, not because of the CGI, but just because it seemed drab and soulless. I actually liked the battle between Superman and the kryptonian chick and the other krypton soldiers. Even liked the Superman and Zod battle. One of the things that bugged me about Superman Returns was how "boring" it was when it came to showing off Superman's powers, strength and fighting prowess. I always wanted to see him go up against an enemy that was his equal that wasn't Terrance Stamp in front of a Coke sign or ****ing Nuclear Man on the moon. I got that with Man of Steel, but after a while, it felt like it was carrying on too long. How many times do I need to see them punch each other up the side of the building or through office complexes? After awhile it just comes of as destruction ****. By the neck snap, I just didn't really care about anything. Reading what I just typed though, I do come off as someone who can't be pleased I guess, but I can't help but feel balance is important.


From what I've seen with Batman v Superman, that isn't an issue.

Spoiler

After Batman gets ragdolled for most of the fight and it looks he's toast, that moment where Superman (and the audience) comes to the realization that Batman has been toying with him and had the upper hand, it's a great, well done scene. Same with Batman and Superman trucing because of Ma Kent and Luthor, just like Aquaman emerging from the underwater cave in a surveillance video, just like Wonder Woman's devilish smile and haughty, warrior laughter as she attacks "Doomsday".

I do think that this has potential to be better than Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel, which would be good enough for me.

Spoiler

How does Batman get the upper hand?

 

[DiFabio]

Spoiler

He gasses Superman. I'm sure you can guess the substance the ******* synthesized into aerosol form. He also has a great line about Supes being a man and finally feeling fear. Because of the color, at first I thought it was some Scarecrow toxin or something.

 

[Rorywan]

Spoiler

Well i do want to see Cavill gassed, so i guess I'm in.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

What I liked about Man of Steel was that it gave Superman some repercussions that he couldn't time travel or kiss away, villains that didn't just stand around and wait for Superman to save people at his own pace, and regular people attempting to fight the threat and not being culturally dependent on Superman. Unfortunately, the execution isn't to my liking, but I appreciated what they were attempting since I loathed Superman as a character growing up on the level that Star Wars fans dislike Jar-Jar-Binks. Even though I don't have as much negativity against the character as I did back then (unless I think about the end of Superman the movie and Superman II), seeing Batman punch Superman on the big screen is a big wish-fulfillment. And now that I just thought of those movies, my animosity for Supes is back. MAKE HIM BLEED, Batman! Is there such thing as anti-nostalgia? Because I think that's what I have for Supes.