Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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The whole "ZOMG this movie had a scene that foreshadowed the next one--two hour trailer, TWO HOUR TRAILER1!!11!" that only applies to superhero films is weird. Any other "saga" gets a pass whether it be adapted from novels (LOTR, HP, Twilight, etc.) or a brand new story for the screen (Star Wars.) No one complained that FOTR gives us a Gollum or Gondor tease or that the Emperor is mentioned in ANH and teased in ESB or that Rey and Kylo end TFA off training for other films. But if a cbm dares to include a minute of setup for future events suddenly it's a two hour trailer.
 
The whole "ZOMG this movie had a scene that foreshadowed the next one--two hour trailer, TWO HOUR TRAILER1!!11!" that only applies to superhero films is weird. Any other "saga" gets a pass whether it be adapted from novels (LOTR, HP, Twilight, etc.) or a brand new story for the screen (Star Wars.) No one complained that FOTR gives us a Gollum or Gondor tease or that the Emperor is mentioned in ANH and teased in ESB or that Rey and Kylo end TFA off training for other films. But if a cbm dares to include a minute of setup for future events suddenly it's a two hour trailer.

Eh, there's a difference IMO. Hints and references are fine, but something like Thor's vision or the Knightmare stuff are cheap stunts. They come out of nowhere, they usually don't have any role to play in that particular film, and are there solely to set up the next installment. Ending on a "cliffhanger" is acceptable, bit when you have a scene specifically made and added in the middle of the film to set-up the next, it comes across as a ploy rather than just a part of the story.
 
Eh, there's a difference IMO. Hints and references are fine, but something like Thor's vision or the Knightmare stuff are cheap stunts. They come out of nowhere, they usually don't have any role to play in that particular film, and are the solely to set up the next installment. Ending on a "cliffhanger" is acceptable, bit when you have a scene specifically made and added in the middle of the film to set-up the next, it comes across as a ploy rather than just a part of the story.

I don't see how Frodo's vision of the scouring of the Shire was any different than Bruce Wayne's apocalypse dream.
 
Oh God, yes.

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Her casting alone would make the movie a 10/10.

I like her eyes. :wink1:
 
I don't see how Frodo's vision of the scouring of the Shire was any different than Bruce Wayne's apocalypse dream.

It's been a long time since I last saw LOTR, but that had an in-story reason IIRC. Galadriel warns him so that he makes sure not to fail. The Knightmare stuff are never stated to be "dreams". Maybe they're visions, projected by someone else. Maybe it's an Alternate Reality that we, the audience see, but Bruce is unaware of. To my knowledge, he never comments on them. The Flash cameo is the best we exlpaination we've got, which again, feels shoe-horned. Either way, both AoU and BvS suffer from this "condition" IMO. I won't go as far to say that they're extended commercials, but those scenes would've been better as deleted scenes or something.
 
It's been a long time since I last saw LOTR, but that had an in-story reason IIRC. Galadriel warns him so that he makes sure not to fail.

Correct it was a possible future that would occur if Frodo didn't destroy the Ring. Except he didn't destroy the Ring in FOTR, that didn't happen until two films later. We're probably going to see those parademons in the next film (JL), which is all an extension of Lex Luthor mucking around with the Kryptonian ship in BvS. It's not like BvS has this self-contained story and then Darkseid is going to show up for reasons completely unrelated to BvS but they still went ahead and shoehorned in a little tease.

When I saw Batman's dream the first time I actually assumed it was just his "worst case scenario" of letting Clark live, eventually his mortal woman will die, he'll go ape****, possibly rallying other aliens in his rage, etc. It's actually perfectly in line with Bruce's paranoia throughout the film and just happens to have a cool added benefit of foreshadowing actual upcoming events.
 
I actually really liked AoU. It's got it's fair share of issues though, I can't deny that. Also agree with the two hour trailer criticisms that are aimed at a fair few CBMs.
 
i never felt fellowship of the rings had anything shoehorned in or any unnecessary characters or anything like that.

felt pretty focused

the hobbits are a horrible mess though, so those do suck.
 
Oh God, yes.

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Her casting alone would make the movie a 10/10.

can not take her seriously with **** that big- too distracting so game over as far as her acting ability

and yes i added the OP as another reason to bump this pic
 
Equating 2-5 minutes of on-screen foreshadowing of future events with "a two hour trailer" must be yet another one of those weird "millennial" things. Wouldn't you agree a-dev?

amazing spiderman 2 feels like a 2 hour trailers because a lot of the actions in the movie are not done because of the plot of its own movie but because it really is just setting up for future movies.

If a movie has its own plot and things in it are happening because of its own plot, if characters are doing actions that have to do with its OWN plot,
Rhino was in it ONLY to set up sinister six and stuff.... Rhino had no real meaning in the movie. yeah sure the opening was there to showcase Spiderman using his powers and saving the city, but that didn't have to be rhino, it could have been any random villain.
(You could say "Well crows, it was better that it was Rhino because it was nice to have a known villain open the movie"
But then I would say, if they want to use Rhino why not add him to the rest of the story? why not do something else with him, not just use him to open the movie but have him be a bigger part of the movie.

Green Goblin was the same thing, he served no real purpose in the story. OR if they wanted him to have a bigger place in this world, why have him show up out of nowhere for no reason?
The only real character with a real story was Electro, his story began, had a middle and ended. Rhino and Goblin just had a beginning and a set up.
Their motivations are only made to set up future movies. they have no arc. And you can always use the "Cameo" Excuse but then again Cameos are meant to be short, Goblin is in the movie long enough to not be a cameo but not long enough to be a real character. Rhino is a better cameo but then he still sucks because everyone expected to see the fight between Spiderman and Rhino that they teased in the movie...

If anything, As bad as Venom was in Spiderman 3... he was a more real character than the characters in AM2. Venom had a tiny Arc but it was still an arc.... Sandman also had somewhat of an arc. a beginning middle and an end.

the reason Lord of the rings is different is because they had a clear story that just happened to be told in 3 movies, Just like Kill Bill was meant to be 2 movies. Amazing Spiderman was building to things that they didn't even have scripts for yet. making things as they went along. Setting up character and incomplete arcs for future movies that they didn't even know how they were going to be made.

Thats the biggest difference between Amazing spiderman 2 and Lord of the rings, one of them had a very clear vision, a clear path to follow and a complete story with a clear beginning and end.
the other one was a movie made to set up future events while trying to be its own single movie trying to tell one single story while at the same time trying to be part of a bigger story and it failed because it couldn't do both properly.

This movie to me lies in the middle of both. Maybe Snyder has a clear vision for the entire franchise so the setting up here is not as terrible as AM2, but the computer clips were laughable. the aquaman is ridiculous. it is not even a proper set up, it is not even a cameo.
 
I sort of expected this tumble in sales. I have a small stall in one of our bigger malls (only one with an IMAX theater in the area) so I go there almost every day and I noticed how empty the BvS theaters have become. Where there were really long lines on opening day (I watched the midnight showing on the first Saturday) and the IMAX theater was packed. Going out of the theater though, I could already hear people ranting about it so I guess at least for my theater group, the reception wasn't that great.

So I wonder, is this an effect of negative critic reviews, lack of good word from the audience or a general lack of interest apart from the first-week movie goers (like a lot of us are)? It's not like there is real competition against BvS right now and it is supposed to be Spring Break and in some countries (like mine) it is summer break so kids are not in school.
 
This movie to me lies in the middle of both. Maybe Snyder has a clear vision for the entire franchise so the setting up here is not as terrible as AM2, but the computer clips were laughable. the aquaman is ridiculous. it is not even a proper set up, it is not even a cameo.

They really weren't meant to be big introductions for those characters (that happens in JL), but it was important to show that Bruce and Diana find out about them, because now they're going to go out and recruit them, basically. The events at the end of this movie (including finding out about them in the first place) is the catalyst for them meeting and forming the Justice League.
 
Equating 2-5 minutes of on-screen foreshadowing of future events with "a two hour trailer" must be yet another one of those weird "millennial" things. Wouldn't you agree a-dev?

Darthkostis put it very nicely:

Eh, there's a difference IMO. Hints and references are fine, but something like Thor's vision or the Knightmare stuff are cheap stunts. They come out of nowhere, they usually don't have any role to play in that particular film, and are there solely to set up the next installment. Ending on a "cliffhanger" is acceptable, bit when you have a scene specifically made and added in the middle of the film to set-up the next, it comes across as a ploy rather than just a part of the story.
 
The only thing in the Knightmare sequence that sets up the future movies are just Easter Eggs. The whole thing is meant to reflect Bruce's psyche and his fear of Superman. The idea of Batman having a dream where he's basically killed by Superman was one of the first ones they came up wth for this movie, actually. Really, you can take the paradeamons and the Omega symbol out of that sequence and it wouldn't change it at all. Again, those are just Easter Eggs. Later on, you may wonder if that and alternate Future Flash's warning may come true (was it a dream or an actual vision from a potential future?), but that was never the real impetus for the scene. And it certainly wasn't tacked on later or anything. It was always there.
 
I am immensely fascinated with BvS.

I've read all the pacing and character motivation complaints yet nothing has diminished my excitement for this movie.

I'm easily shrugging off the public flogging it has received from the national critics circuit plus the appearance of financial weakness in the shadows of a very sucessfull Deadpool because Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman finally came together in a movie.

Before this movie if I wanted these characters together I had to watch a cartoon or read a comic book.

Sure, some could argue that the cartoons and comic books are vastly superior, that's great have at them, no one is taking those away from us.

But for me the extended cut dvd can't come out fast enough.

I was less forgiving with MOS but BvS has now given me the motivation to revisit MOS.

For me this movie was not garbage.

I have yet to watch a "perfect" Superhero movie anyways.

Sure some have come closer than others, but you can't be almost pregnant.

This movie has easily earned repeat viewing status from me.
 
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