Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Darth Snoopy]

Okay now Disney is just getting sloppy. Early RT scores for Civil War are coming in at 110%.

 

[crows]

well, online critics eat nothing but doritos, that's how they were brainwashed. with their food.

 

[**16k**]

A lot of conspiracies going around. I'm sure Fox wish their conspiracy helped with Fan4stic (which has a lovely 9%).

Man, I was just joking about the whole thing. Of course it's not a conspiracy theory, but look at this thread from the beginning. Lots of people were impatiently waiting the release of the film to confirm their hate of Snyder.

Well, the movie was doomed from the start. Sometimes, it becomes trendy to be on a side rather than the other. This movie, imperfect as it is, generated so much pre hate that it became fashionable to hate it. Critics being just a following herd, the movie didn't stand a chance.

When I got out of the theater, I would have rated 8.5. But reason and thinking since then I've made me reconsider and I'd rate it 6.5. It very flawed, but nowhere near as bad as deserving a 35%

 

[crows]

Man, I was just joking about the whole thing. Of course it's not a conspiracy theory, but look at this thread from the beginning. Lots of people were impatiently waiting the release of the film to confirm their hate of Snyder.

Well, the movie was doomed from the start. Sometimes, it becomes trendy to be on a side rather than the other. This movie, imperfect as it is, generated so much pre hate that it became fashionable to hate it. Critics being just a following herd, the movie didn't stand a chance.

When I got out of the theater, I would have rated 8.5. But reason and thinking since then I've made me reconsider and I'd rate it 6.5. It very flawed, but nowhere near as bad as deserving a 35%

I loved Snyder. I loved His other comic movies, I defended MOS........
have another reason? (besides the obvious which is horrible writing)

 

[JAWS]

If this film doesn't make it to a billion, then TDK and TDKR will still be DC's most financially successful films. I think that's why some people are using the word "failure" and "under performed" to describe this film. Is BVS a bomb? No. Is BVS going to lose money? No. It all has to do with expectations and what was expected of this film to achieve, considering that the last two solo Batman films made over a billion, so naturally, most "experts" and fans expected a film like BVS to make it to the top 10, maybe even the top 5 on the all time box office list.

It had so much potential to be a pop culture event and a phenomenon, but WB dropped the ball big time introducing the trinity and the JL on film for the first time, and now all they can do is move forward with the rest of the their DC films, but they will never get another shot at having the "trinity" on film for the first time. There will be other versions eventually, but it won't be as significant as BVS could have been.

This is a great post.. While I did not hate the film It really dropped the ball. This should have been so much more then what it ended up being.. I watched The Avengers the other night and it did everything so much better then BvS IMO... In all honesty BvS should have been better and more Epic then Avengers but it wasn't IMO... This should have been a runaway hit with fans of the characters at least... But it's only so so...

Transformers, Divergent, Maze Runner, Twilight are franchises you couldn’t pay me to go watch - but I understand they're not for me or my demographic (30+ hetero male). My nieces and nephews love those movies.

I also don't like the Fast and The Furious films. Gorgeous women and awesome cars don't excuse terrible acting & ridiculous plots.

M. Bay would direct better action scenes for a BvS film then Zack Snyder

I don't care for the F&F films either.. Blah.

so you hate fun?

I think the last fast and furious movie was a much better experience than Batman V Superman, action was awesome, it wasn't too jokey but it wasn't dreadful either, the end was insane good.

I think if you saw the first one you might think they are stupid but after the 4th one they got really good. and more serious and now they are just spy movies basically.

The last two are the best ones.

1st one is the best and I thought 5 was OK but the end with the safe chase was just stupid and tried to force me to ignore reality. Six had some moments but it also had this

and Furious 7 was filled with moments even worse then this

F&F franchise needs to go away.... The fact part 7 is the best rated of the series on Rotten Tomatoes is proof that the critics can not be taken seriously.

To be honest, I do not think it deserved a 29% Rotten score, but in my personal opinion, it wasn't better than the above films (with the exception of IM3, where I think I'd be among the 21% that did not like that film).

When you have a very serious film like BvS, you'll need to really execute the story well. Without a well-executed story, you're left with nothing much. With movies like Thor TDW or IM2, even when the story may be lacking, their overall light-heartedness and strong main characters (you can't deny that Tom Hiddleston was a really good Loki and Robert Downey made a great IM/Stark) could make up for that. While the story may not have been the best, they were fun in their own right.

Also, I will repeat, blaming critics for low box office sales is grasping for straws. You over-estimate the number of people who actually look at reviews before watching a movie. I read reviews too but I only read them after watching a film to see if my views agreed with what other people thought.

I think word-of-mouth has a bigger effect. In my household for example, my brother was planning on watching BvS but when he saw I wasn't too happy about it, he didn't. When he didn't his friends didn't too (they were planning to go together). Now they are just waiting for it to come out of HBO or other cable movie channels we have to watch it for free. I am sure that happened to a lot of other people too.

Like I said the film tried so hard to be a serious and dramatic film that when the Superhero stuff starts it's sort of jolting and almost feels out of place. Due to the lack of fun ad understanding of the source material and it's characters its hard to enjoy the action when it finally comes.

I am not saying you can't make a serious Comic film.. I thought TIH was pretty serious especially when compared with the other Marvel films but it was still more fun because the film understood what it was and its character. Now I am a huge Hulk fan so that could be my bias coming through but because the whole 1st half of the film was not some big Drama until the Abomination fight at the end it was a more enjoyable experience IMO...

In terms of feel and tone, BvS is more Ang Lee Hulk then Avengers. It's a better movie then Hulk but the payoff was not there. At least not there as much as it should and could have been.

 

[crows]

how is that any less stupid than anything in any comic based movie? so because something was drawn as a comic it makes it less stupid?

so if they made a fast and furious comic, would that make it more legit? so if vin diesel was wearing an animal suit on (lets say a tiger suit) would that make it more believable?

 

[IrishJedi]

how is that any less stupid than anything in any comic based movie? so because something was drawn as a comic it makes it less stupid?

so if they made a fast and furious comic, would that make it more legit? so if vin diesel was wearing an animal suit on (lets say a tiger suit) would that make it more believable?

Because those are supposed to be regular douches completely defying the laws of physics?

 

[jye4ever]

how is that any less stupid than anything in any comic based movie? so because something was drawn as a comic it makes it less stupid?

so if they made a fast and furious comic, would that make it more legit? so if vin diesel was wearing an animal suit on (lets say a tiger suit) would that make it more believable?

Well, you were doing ok until this.

 

[JAWS]

how is that any less stupid than anything in any comic based movie? so because something was drawn as a comic it makes it less stupid?

so if they made a fast and furious comic, would that make it more legit? so if vin diesel was wearing an animal suit on (lets say a tiger suit) would that make it more believable?

Because those are supposed to be regular douches completely defying the laws of physics?

Well, you were doing ok until this.

Basically what these two said....

 

[YoNoSe]

It's sad that that moment has more emotional resonance and dynamic action than Superman catching Lois Lane.

 

[crows]

Because those are supposed to be regular douches completely defying the laws of physics?

not all heroes have super powers.... even the nolan batman movies have stuff that is as unrealistic as that gif.
there are things Bruce Wayne could never survive in real life.
Iron Man has a suit that protects him but he would have died a long time ago from some of the flips he does while flying. no human being could survive using that suit the way tony stark does. (laws of physics and all)



you guys talk about mob hate and bias against things and here you guys are doing the exact thing you guys were complaining about. if that scene was from a dc movie you guys would be singing it praises. you guys are hating on fast and furious because of your bias

also, why are they douches? what makes them douches in your eye?

 

[crows]

Well, you were doing ok until this.

let's not forget, that the last Fast and Furious was actually "Successful"
it was successful financially breaking the billion dollar mark (it earned 1.5 BILLION dollars )
it was successful with critics getting a 81% score
and it was successful both with general public and with the fans of the series, (that movie did not get the hate this got. nowhere near as big)

I wouldn't laugh so much if I were you guys, Fast and the furious 7 did much higher in all accounts compared to Batman v Superman (So far)

this movie will get to one billion, but I don't think it will make the kind of money Furious 7 did. it didn't even get closed to critics reviews... you guys kept talking about "Success" and what it means for a movie to be successful.

Furious 7 is the definition of success.

 

[JAWS]

so if vin diesel was wearing an animal suit on (lets say a tiger suit) would that make it more believable?

Well at least it would explain how he did this not once but twice. Obviously he shares Superman's Anti gravity powers

And survived this without a scratch.

and it would explain how PW pulled this off and whoever was driving that car had to have some sort of precision type super powers

I mean to make that jump when the thing you are running on is going backwards... Super speed and strength is the only explanation






What I really hate about this scene

Is that it took a perfectly good action sequence with lots of practical stunt work and ruined it with an over the top stunt that was so impossible they couldn't even make it look real with CGI . Then the 7th film apparently thought that was the best part and filled the film with the same sort of ridiculousness.

I swear the only reason critics liked it is because they felt they had to because PW died.




Sorry I just had to get that F&F rant off my chest.

 

[DiFabio]

Well at least it would explain how he did this not once but twice. Obviously he shares Superman's Anti gravity powers

And survived this without a scratch.

and it would explain how PW pulled this off and whoever was driving that car had to have some sort of precision type super powers

I mean to make that jump when the thing you are running on is going backwards... Super speed and strength is the only explanation






What I really hate about this scene

Is that it took a perfectly good action sequence with lots of practical stunt work and ruined it with an over the top stunt that was so impossible they couldn't even make it look real with CGI . Then the 7th film apparently thought that was the best part and filled the film with the same sort of ridiculousness.

I swear the only reason critics liked it is because they felt they had to because PW died.




Sorry I just had to get that F&F rant off my chest.

Spoiler

 

[JAWS]

not all heroes have super powers.... even the nolan batman movies have stuff that is as unrealistic as that gif.
there are things Bruce Wayne could never survive in real life.
Iron Man has a suit that protects him but he would have died a long time ago from some of the flips he does while flying. no human being could survive using that suit the way tony stark does. (laws of physics and all)



you guys talk about mob hate and bias against things and here you guys are doing the exact thing you guys were complaining about. if that scene was from a dc movie you guys would be singing it praises. you guys are hating on fast and furious because of your bias

also, why are they douches? what makes them douches in your eye?

Ummmm Nolan went out of his way to use practical effects and nothing in the Batman films looks as bad as any of the stuff I posted... F&F gives up half the time.. The cave chase in 4 is some of the worst action put on film. Almost all CGI...

The Bank safe chase defies all laws of physics.

Other then that scene I hate 6 actually used a lot of practical stunt work... C-ya to all of that in part 7

BTW I am not a DC apologist.. I liked BvS Ok.. I think it deserves some of the crap thrown it's way. It should have been great. It should have ben easy to make great with those two iconic characters... Instead it was a little bit better then OK... Which is still leaps and bounds better then F&F 7

let's not forget, that the last Fast and Furious was actually "Successful"
it was successful financially breaking the billion dollar mark (it earned 1.5 BILLION dollars )
it was successful with critics getting a 81% score
and it was successful both with general public and with the fans of the series, (that movie did not get the hate this got. nowhere near as big)

I wouldn't laugh so much if I were you guys, Fast and the furious 7 did much higher in all accounts compared to Batman v Superman (So far)

this movie will get to one billion, but I don't think it will make the kind of money Furious 7 did. it didn't even get closed to critics reviews... you guys kept talking about "Success" and what it means for a movie to be successful.

Furious 7 is the definition of success.

But the film sucked

Lets not whip out RT and box office to defend our films.. That can be used to defend a lot of crap and used against a lot of quality films.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

Man, I was just joking about the whole thing. Of course it's not a conspiracy theory, but look at this thread from the beginning. Lots of people were impatiently waiting the release of the film to confirm their hate of Snyder.

Well, the movie was doomed from the start. Sometimes, it becomes trendy to be on a side rather than the other. This movie, imperfect as it is, generated so much pre hate that it became fashionable to hate it. Critics being just a following herd, the movie didn't stand a chance.

When I got out of the theater, I would have rated 8.5. But reason and thinking since then I've made me reconsider and I'd rate it 6.5. It very flawed, but nowhere near as bad as deserving a 35%

Even watching they movie through critical eyes, it really doesn't deserve the reviews it got. It's at the very least a 6/10. It's especially strange considering the movies that have got better scores.

Maybe your right and everyone is out to get Snyder. Watchmen was also unfairly treated. I think people appreciate it more over time like Blade Runner

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

When I got out of the theater, I would have rated 8.5. But reason and thinking since then I've made me reconsider and I'd rate it 6.5. It very flawed, but nowhere near as bad as deserving a 35%

35%? WB wishes BVS had a 35%

 

[JAWS]

Spoiler

Please tell me you not a F&F fan

 

[DiFabio]

Please tell me you not a F&F fan

Nope, never seen the movies.

 

[IrishJedi]

Nope, never seen the movies.

I only saw the first one. I liked it better when it was called "Point Break" and didn't have a cast that's even worse than Keanu Reeves in said film.

Also, the F&F films at the ultimate movies for DudeBro Millennials. No, thank you.