Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[crows]

The thing is any insults towards fast and furious mean nothing to me because I'm not a hardcore Fan of it. Any mocking of it doesn't mean much, I never claimed to be a hardcore fan of it. I've never used any fast and furious pics for my signatures, I don't even own any of the movies.

But I do find it funny how everyone freaks out over fast and furious and calls it garbage and laugh at it when furious 7 did what batman v superman simply couldnt
With the critics and the box office and with general audiences.
Furious 7 didn't have the drops this had. And like I said I'm not even a big fan, but that's what makes this funny, general audiences loved the furious movie.
So critics don't matter and general audiences dont matter and box office don't matter and repeat viewings font matter, furious 7 is still laughable and stupid and retarded...


So, if a movie that made 1.5 billion and has such a much higher score is garbage, what does that make bvs ? .
The best comic movie ever made?
This is not even the best Ben affleck or Snyder movie

This might have the best batman and that's it. That's all. That's the only thing it has to show for....

 

[spindrift]

Yes, the "rise of the reaction video" is just not something I can get behind. There's this entire movement of people, much more than in previous decades, who pontificate not out of love for the topic being discussed but because of a narcissistic need to rise to the top of the click-bait pile.

When you have people chomping at the bit for the next "hilarious" installment of "Everything wrong with..." "X amount of unforgivable plot holes from..." "How such and such should have ended," then they start watching movies with the mindset of "how can I bend this viewing experience into such and such youtube series that will make me hilarious and awesome?" An entire generation of internet flunkies are so desperate to be the next revered "Steve Plinkett" that they try and twist every movie they see into the next "Attack of the Clones." The bigger the success or "event" or whatever that you can tear down just makes you that much more awesome (in their minds obviously.) I actually saw it more in the TFA thread than here but still, there's no avoiding it if you want to have any kind of discussion about films on a site with a sizable crowd that is under the age of 40.

Sad but true- best to ignore them as hard as that might be...

 

[IrishJedi]

Here's a tidbit that probably wouldn't get me in trouble: There's a MASSIVE exterior set at Leavesden Studios right now and I'm surprised no one has taken spy photos with drones yet, like what happened at Pinewood during TFA and Rogue One.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

I think I got a little taste of what you're experiencing with Snyder Supes with Cap in The Avengers. Whedon probably likes Cap about as much as Snyder likes Superman (or he might actually like him less than Snyder.) He gave him a dumb suit, made him the "dufus" out of time, didn't allow him very interesting fighting techniques, etc. In fact Evans had to constantly remind Whedon of how cool Cap is. On the commentary Whedon said that he made the fake SHIELD agents going toe to toe with Cap in an extended fist fight on the helicarrier until Evans said, "Joss remember I'm a supersoldier, when I hit a normal guy they tend to stay down." Oh yeah, oops. Maybe Cavill should have stepped up and challenged Snyder every once in a while, who knows.

That Cap suit looked way better in concepts than it did in the Avengers, just like the Caville suit. And I remember Evans also saying in an interview that when they were filming Avengers he wasn't sure about Cap shooting those fake Shield agents and he deferred to Whedon's knowledge of the character in that scene. Plus, Cap had several great moments in Avengers but because Whedon made him the punchline a couple of times that's all anyone focuses on.

 

[IrishJedi]

Sorry for the double post. Tapatalk is being a jerk

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Yeah, it had people acting, saying things and it ended. Very well put together (not ****ing really).

 

[Khev]

So, if a movie that made 1.5 billion and has such a much higher score is garbage, what does that make bvs ? .

I wouldn't bring up FF7's 1.5 billion as any kind of "proof" of anything beyond world audiences sometimes having no good taste at all. Because if you want to go down that road then apparently FF7 is better than almost every single film on AFI's "Top 100 Films of All Time" list, as are are the Bayformer films, On Stranger Tides, etc.

Sorry for the double post. Tapatalk is being a jerk

Double post of what? I'm only seeing this one.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

There's this entire movement of people, much more than in previous decades, who pontificate not out of love for the topic being discussed but because of a narcissistic need to rise to the top of the click-bait pile.

Not just people

 

[daikkenaurora]

WB is happy that you cant see the problems with MoS.

 

[crows]

I wouldn't bring up FF7's 1.5 billion as any kind of "proof" of anything beyond world audiences sometimes having no good taste at all. Because if you want to go down that road then apparently FF7 is better than almost every single film on AFI's "Top 100 Films of All Time" list, as are are the Bayformer films, On Stranger Tides, etc.



Double post of what? I'm only seeing this one.

Well people defending this movie keep saying how this Is a complete success because it MIGHT reach 1 billion.
So if box office is what matters....

I honestly still don't understand how the success of bvs is being measured, every week something else is what matters.
Last week it was the fans, but the fans are not really doing much repeated viewings... So the success of bvs is the barely reaching the billion, (which it might not do, it might top at 900 ) is 900 million a lot of money? Sure, but the studio expected passing the billion dollar mark.
Again Im not sure how success is being measured besides the whole "I loved it therefore is the most successful movie ever made just because I love it and the most perfect thing ever created just because i SAY SO!!"

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

WB is happy that you cant see the problems with MoS.

I didn't say there wasn't any

But there were a lot less than there were in BvS, which was the original point.

 

[Khev]

I honestly still don't understand how the success of bvs is being measured,

Well then you weren't paying attention a week or so ago. Success in these franchise films means that it earned enough of a profit to continue the series and not force that the budget be reduced for future installments. 1 billion/2 billion/50 billion numbers are all just gravy "best case scenario" type things or "yes my favorite movie dethroned such and such" that is never relevant beyond little back and forths on threads like this one.

 

[RIDDICK]

there were a lot less than there were in BvS

 

[daikkenaurora]

I didn't say there wasn't any

But there were a lot less than there were in BvS, which was the original point.

I replied to Crows' comment before. Here's the post:

Mos had a more coherent story.
Mos had a more coherent villain,
Mos ending had better flow.
Mos didn't have unnecessary characters or unnecessary plots that served no purpose.
Everything in mos had a reason to be or a reason to happen.
Mos has a very straightforward story to tell.

U say u wont apologize for mos hate because of batman in this making it better , but zod was equally awesome and badass and mos had faora which was cooler than lois, wonder womans final entrance with doomsday was cool but I think faora was much cooler and had better fights.


Mos wasn't as dark as this either.

About fast and furious, u guys were the ones talking about what success means and u measure success and stuff..... U guys were the ones bringing up the fact not reaching a billion is still a success, and that the rotten score doesn't matter and how not even fan scores matter...

Yet technically fast and furious was successful in all fields

The beginning action scene with Zod in MoS was unnecessary.
Kevin Costner was terrible as Pa Kent (acting and script were horrendous).
It did have unnecessary characters. What were the names of the other people in Zod's group, other than Faora?
Everything had a reason? Lois Lane every place she shouldnt be.
MoS is dark. Pa Kent tells young Clark that he probably should have let those kids he saved die. lol
No Unnecessary plots? Crab Fisherman and Waiter plot. Wasted time and served no real purpose.

LOL

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Better pacing, more coherent plot, slicker editing... And, most importantly, no Eisenberg.

 

[crows]

They won't. It's such a pervasive mindset online. Especially among Millennials. "I have an opinion, and you MUST hear it! (Epecially if it's something I hate)!!" How else to explain all the weird narcissistic YouTube videos, too?

I used to think people just engaged in heated debates from the negative perspective because they cared. But not really. That's just a few. The rest just enjoy having a voice and get off on the snarkiness.

There's no other way to explain it. Or maybe I just don't get it because I'm an old guy who barely had enough time to discuss the things I do enjoy, much less waste it rambling about things I don't.

Here's the thing, u guys say the rotten tomatoes critics are elite idiots that don't care for these kind of movies right?
That top critics are clueless because they don't " get" these kind of movies. That magazine critics don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Ok, so like I said weeks ago, if the top, high pay critics are worthless clueless idiots then I mentioned that maybe the nerds in YouTube that review movies for a living might have a better idea because they are just nerds like us, I said how those nerdy critics might not be as clueless.
But now they are just narcissistic millenials making weird videos.... Even though those guys have been reading comics since the 80s.
So... Everyone is wrong except the people loving the movie?

 

[YoNoSe]

That ****** Show Me gif. I want to use it so bad sometimes but I feel like it's Riddick's for at least year or two. The way music used to be in Tarantino movies.

 

[crows]

Well then you weren't paying attention a week or so ago. Success in these franchise films means that it earned enough of a profit to continue the series and not force that the budget be reduced for future installments. 1 billion/2 billion/50 billion numbers are all just gravy "best case scenario" type things or "yes my favorite movie dethroned such and such" that is never relevant beyond little back and forths on threads like this one.

I keep hearing it will make a profit after reaching 800 million world wide, was that a lie?
Does it break even at 800? Is that wrong info?

Is mos a good, successful movie since it got a sequel?

 

[Khev]

Does it break even at 800? Is that wrong info?

I believe so. IrishJedi said it started profiting after 500-600 million.

Don't get caught up in the 700 million ASM2. The series wasn't canned because of the money it made (which was actually more than a number of MCU films.) There were other factors at play.

Is mos a good, successful movie since it got a sequel?

Good is subjective. Success isn't. MOS was indeed successful.

EDIT: Actually if WB's intention was to follow MOS with MOS2 but they did an abrupt course correction by immediately bringing in Batman and WW instead (which I believe might have been the case) then you could argue that MOS did *not* do what it was intended to do, and therefore wasn't technically a success.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

The beginning action scene with Zod in MoS was unnecessary.
Kevin Costner was terrible as Pa Kent (acting and script were horrendous).
It did have unnecessary characters. What were the names of the other people in Zod's group, other than Faora?
Everything had a reason? Lois Lane every place she shouldnt be.
MoS is dark. Pa Kent tells young Clark that he probably should have let those kids he saved die. lol
No Unnecessary plots? Crab Fisherman and Waiter plot. Wasted time and served no real purpose.

You mean the one with Jor-El? Backstory.

Can't really argue regarding Costner as Pa Kent, he definitely could have been written better.

Those are background characters. Giving them any kind of story would be not only unnecessary, but detrimental to the film.

I don't have a problem with the tone in either MoS or BvS, and they're both pretty similar really. BvS maybe slightly darker.

Again, those are just backstory, though definitely a lot less necessary than Zod's. They would probably have been better off cutting a lot of that out.