Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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Yeah, I don't like it either, personally. It means much less diverse pool of mega-budget movies. I mean, I totally get what Disney (and now WB) have chosen to do from a business perspective. Just too many huge budget mistakes. But at the same time, it's sad. But that's the new reality of Hollywood box office today. Unless your Go-To movies are ALL big mega-billion smashes the studios just can't absorb the losses from some of the riskier ones anymore. :(
I posted something to this effect recently, but for me, the bigger issue as a film-goer is that there is a much smaller chance that we will get something great if all the studios are soley concerned with putting out stuff that is so derivative. Force Awakens is the best example of this. From a business POV, it was the perfect move. But creatively? Not so much. And so my enjoyment of that film is limited because it was so heavily derivative.

But that's the double-edged sword of risk. Sometimes you'll hit pay dirt with a brilliant idea that works so well, critically and commercially. The Nolan Bat-films come to mind, or even the first Iron Man movie. But that's not usually the case. So, as we've seen for 20 years+, we get sequels and TV adaptations and prequels and re-boots instead of fresh franchise ideas (and of course, even Batman Begins was a reboot!).

With Batman V Superman, it's not the direction I would have gone, but I appreciate that WB allowed them to go in that direction. Even if, as abake says, studio interference will often still raise its ugly head.
 
I posted something to this effect recently, but for me, the bigger issue as a film-goer is that there is a much smaller chance that we will get something great if all the studios are soley concerned with putting out stuff that is so derivative. Force Awakens is the best example of this. From a business POV, it was the perfect move. But creatively? Not so much. And so my enjoyment of that film is limited because it was so heavily derivative.

But that's the double-edged sword of risk. Sometimes you'll hit pay dirt with a brilliant idea that works so well, critically and commercially. The Nolan Bat-films come to mind, or even the first Iron Man movie. But that's not usually the case. So, as we've seen for 20 years+, we get sequels and TV adaptations and prequels and re-boots instead of fresh franchise ideas (and of course, even Batman Begins was a reboot!).

With Batman V Superman, it's not the direction I would have gone, but I appreciate that WB allowed them to go in that direction. Even if, as abake says, studio interference will often still raise its ugly head.

100% Agreed.
 
Thats only assumming

It's utter assumption.
Sprinkled with a liberal dose of disappointment.
And rolled in a deep dish of denial. :wink1:

WB crapped the bed with BvS.
By any metric--aesthetic, creative, monetary, or brand-name--they came up short.
And they came up short with arguably the three biggest names in the history of comic books. :slap
Sure it's not Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, or Fant4stic trainwrecky, but the distance between their goals and expectations and what Snyder's three-coil dogturd achieved is significant.

The trajectory of the DCCU has been altered as a result. :monkey2
It's time to seriously consult WB's animation division. They consistently prevail where the live-action fails.
And the DCCU deserves better! :lecture
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Indeed.
I think it was a ballsy move to go for a totally different type of Superhero Blockbuster, and even though it's clear the studio had the filmmakers cram a lot of stuff into it, in the end they let them do something different, which is very refreshing.

I'm not looking for an argument, but I'm curious as to what was so "ballsy" and different about BVS that we haven't seen in previous blockbusters? :)
 
Exactly, I read the same thing the other day. It's smart but at the same time it's one of the things that annoys me about Disney. Everything live action movie they do has to be Marvel or related to a Disney animated classic. They only take risks with animation, which isn't that big of a risk because they are Disney and Pixar.

Disney tests the waters every year with a new live-action movie or two that isn't Marvel or a fairy tale but just rarely get rewarded for it. John Carter, The Odd Life of Timothy Green, The Lone Ranger, Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day, new Muppets, Bears documentary and most recently Tomorrowland. Even with so many of those being failures they're still giving The BFG a shot. So I wouldn't say that they play it safe all the time.
 
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Disney tests the waters every year with a new live-action movie or two that isn't Marvel or a fairy tale but just rarely get rewarded for it. John Carter, The Odd Life of Timothy Green, The Lone Ranger, Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day, new Muppets, Bears documentary and most recently Tomorrowland. Even with so many of those being failures they're still giving The BFG a shot. So I wouldn't say that they play it safe all the time.

So you had to go back to 2012 and 2013 for the big budget box office failures that probably started this trend. And everything else you mentioned is either based on a children's book or a ride at Disneyland. I'm talking risk as in an original script not based on some other property, or if it is then let it be a novel like Gone Girl that's meant for adults.
 
Yeah, with BFG they're putting their faith in Spielberg. You think they would have greenllt that now had pretty much any other filmmaker been attached? No way.
 
So you had to go back to 2012 and 2013 for the big budget box office failures that probably started this trend. And everything else you mentioned is either based on a children's book or a ride at Disneyland. I'm talking risk as in an original script not based on some other property, or if it is then let it be a novel like Gone Girl that's meant for adults.

So in addition to making live-action Marvel, Star Wars, fairy tale, children's book AND movies based on rides you want them to also risk hundreds of millions on totally original properties? Why? What difference does it make whether Disney makes an original live-action movie vs. any other studio? And if they've had live-action flops since 2012 why would you hold it against them for not risking even more when they're already producing so many live-action flicks with their own properties? I'm just not getting the problem I guess.
 
Yeah, with BFG they're putting their faith in Spielberg. You think they would have greenllt that now had pretty much any other filmmaker been attached? No way.

Yep but no way is a Spielberg film box office gold like he used to be- still could be a flop.
 
Yep but no way is a Spielberg film box office gold like he used to be- still could be a flop.

I'm just so over CGI now even The BFG looks like another Warcraft to me. Just a generic fantasy film with obviously digital characters. The promise of 1993 just never really came to be and I wonder if it ever will. Here we are, 23 years later and still nothing looks significantly better than those first Park dinos. I don't mind a Gollum, Davy Jones, or even a Maz Kanata here and there but I just don't like the look of movies that feature humans interacting with digital characters from beginning to end. Don't even get me started on how uninteresting Avatar is to me now.
 
I'm just so over CGI now even The BFG looks like another Warcraft to me. Just a generic fantasy film with obviously digital characters. The promise of 1993 just never really came to be and I wonder if it ever will. Here we are, 23 years later and still nothing looks significantly better than those first Park dinos. I don't mind a Gollum, Davy Jones, or even a Maz Kanata here and there but I just don't like the look of movies that feature humans interacting with digital characters from beginning to end. Don't even get me started on how uninteresting Avatar is to me now.

So am I- it's the rage.... another filmmaking tool that works better with hardware and such...reliance too much to replace a character(s)
 
I'm not sure audience opinions are as bad as the narrative suggests. I know way more people who like the movie than didn't. With the exception of literally 2-3 people the ones I know who really hate it are people I've only come across online.

It's certainly not universally beloved by the masses, but it appears the general reception was at least decent to good. I feel like the 70-75% "approval rating" among audiences is a pretty accurate reflection of how the film was received. It's certainly hard to reconcile with its critical drubbing and that insane RT number. Those are clearly not a barometer of how audiences reacted to the movie.

It wasn't a Home Run. But it wasn't a Strike Out, either. More like a solid Double (or Triple if you factor in profits). And that's fine. Try for the HR again next time.


And most people I talked to hated it and don't want to see it ever again,
Go to any article online and there are nothing but comments about how terrible this is,

See how the people we know means nothing? Or comments online? U know people that love it, I know people that hate it... So??
 
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