Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[batfan08]

Dun-Dun Dun Dun-Dun.

 

[jye4ever]

Well, i'll be signing autographs at the next horror con, i'm the only table that pays fans to take my signature.

I have my $25.00 payment ready for you and JAWS.

 

[batfan08]

Well, i'll be signing autographs at the next horror con, i'm the only table that pays fans to take my signature.

I have my $25.00 payment ready for you and JAWS.

An autograph AND $25? Sold! My luck's finally turning around. First, I found a whole pizza in a dumpster! Now, this. I don't think the eventual birth of my first child will be able to contend with these two moments.

 

[jye4ever]

Dumpster, you're already ahead of JAWS.

 

[batfan08]

Are you kidding? It was his dumpster!

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Gully Foyle]

That story is about Superman killing mxyzptlk? Please, oath or not there's no way Supes would react that way to offing that prick.

If you'd ever read the story, kryptonian, then you might understand.

It's from Moore's "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" IIRC.

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With Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, has Warner Bros. finally turned a corner?

After an abysmal run of expensive underperformers including Jupiter Ascending, Pan and In the Heart of the Sea, the studio launched its effort at a Marvel-style film universe with the DC Comics movie that had been touted as proof the regime installed in 2013 and headed by chairman and CEO Kevin Tsujihara was getting on track. But a dizzying 69 percent plunge that followed its March-record $166.1 million domestic opening ($422.5 million worldwide) means Batman is not a clear win.

Some competitors say the film may turn a profit but hardly will be the money gusher studios hope for when they pour massive resources into making a giant tentpole with a big star — with a budget in this case said to be in excess of $300 million, and Ben Affleck. "The biggest problem," says the head of a rival studio, "is that it is not turning [DC] into Marvel. The audience has communicated, as have the critics." One agent notes BvS likely won't get to $1 billion despite launching the universe with "two of the most iconic characters in history." Pointing out that Jurassic World pulled in $1.67 billion globally, he continues, "you can't tell me Batman v. Superman is so much less valuable."

Several sources say Warner Bros. executives were convinced they had the goods with BvS and were shocked when negative reviews began pouring in. Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, "we're not going to take a movie that's supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else."

Many top industry executives believe the troubles with BvS are the latest sign of the instability created when Time Warner chairman and CEO Jeff Bewkes ousted Alan Horn as president in 2011. That set the stage for the infamous executive bake-off and the exit of Jeff Robinov, then head of the successful film group.

Ultimately, Bewkes promoted Tsujihara to the top Warners job and created a committee to run the film studio that includes president Greg Silverman and marketing and distribution chief Sue Kroll. It's fair to say things haven't gone so well since. (Warners' loss was Disney's gain, with Horn presiding over that studio as it has become dominant.)

In an era of turmoil and transformation, even competitors aren't eager to see a legacy studio like Warner Bros. struggle. Warners long has been known for its commitment to filmmaker- and star-driven projects, but sources see signs of a change in culture, though the studio denies there is one. Several executives and agents say Warners seems to be greenlighting fewer homegrown movies as it focuses on silos that echo those that generate so many hits for Disney (Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar and Disney Animation). In Warners' case, the silos are DC Comics, Lego and a planned franchise spun off from the Harry Potter series. Tsujihara has touted that trio as the linchpin of his film strategy, and now, much like Disney, has eschewed all but a few original live-action films. Overall, sources say there is an understanding Warners is aiming to release fewer homegrown films than the industry-leading 21 it did in 2015. The studio still will make some movies from "family" directors including Affleck, Clint Eastwood, Christopher Nolan and Todd Phillips. But the emphasis is elsewhere. One insider says the studio will remain a dominant distributor, but "when you get to almost a movie every other weekend or a period where there's a movie three weeks in a row, that's too much."

Warners maintains there has been no change in policy. "Warner Bros. has historically had the biggest, most diverse slate in the motion picture industry," says a rep in a statement. "We did last year, we will this year, and we will continue to do so into the foreseeable future." (The studio says it will release 18 movies this year and is projected to release 19 in 2017.)

But a person who does extensive business at Warners says it has entered a phase that's not only about the number of releases. "It's not dramatic, but it is uncharted territory for them," he says. "They were always filmmaker-driven — that might now not be the case as much. They had a bad 18 months. How could there not be some kind of reaction to that?" Says another executive with business at the studio: "It's a strange path to a greenlight now. It takes longer."

Warners could have some bright spots this year. Suicide Squad (Aug. 5) might be the fan hit the DC universe needs. The studio will have a potential draw for adults with Eastwood's hero pilot pic Sully (Sept. 9). And on Nov. 18, Warners will launch what seems its surest four-quadrant bet, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. But, notes analyst Steve Birenberg of Northlake Capital Management, "Time Warner has some work ahead, and it would be helpful if the next movie in the DC relaunch were more widely praised."

 

[kryptonianmutie]

I'm sure in the story that ending fits, but to me it's almost like fan fiction. You can craft a story to make a character do something or react in a way that's not in line with how they'd behave in regular continuity. I can't take that as being canon, no matter how good it might be.

 

[Gully Foyle]

I'm sure in the story that ending fits, but to me it's almost like fan fiction. You can craft a story to make a character do something or react in a way that's not in line with how they'd behave in regular continuity. I can't take that as being canon, no matter how good it might be.

1) How can you judge a work you haven't even read?
2) Alan Moore writes "fan fiction"?
3) see #1

I can't take that as being canon

You don't have to because it's not.
(And "canon" is specious nerd criteria anyway.)

"Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" is a 1986 comic book story featuring the DC Comics character of Superman. Written by Alan Moore with help from long-time Superman editor, Julius Schwartz, the story was published in two parts, beginning in Superman #423 and ending in Action Comics #583, both published in September 1986. The story was drawn by long-time artist Curt Swan, in his final major contribution to the Superman titles, and was inked by George Pérez in the issue of Superman and Kurt Schaffenberger in the issue of Action Comics. The story was an imaginary tale which told the final story of the Silver Age Superman and his long history, which was being rebooted following the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths, before his modern introduction in the John Byrne series, The Man of Steel.

Moore wanted his plot to honor the long history of the character and to serve as a complete conclusion to his mythology. The story is a frame story set ten years after Superman was last seen, where Lois Lane recounts the tale of the end of Superman's career to a reporter from the Daily Planet. Her story includes numerous violent attacks against Superman by his enemies, the public revelation of his secret identity of Clark Kent, and a number of deaths of those closest to him.

The story has been cited as one of the best stories of the character of Superman, and critics and audiences frequently choose it as one of the most memorable comics ever published. It is used as an example of how to close the long-time continuity of a comic book character. The story's legacy has endured with similar stories written as tributes to it.

But by all means be true to your self:

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[filip629]

It was clear to me that Luthor is under the influence of Darkseid. It could have been Steppenwolf controlling him since he is in a deleted scene from BvS. My guess is swolf is like Silver Surfer in this universe and priming earth for invasion, instead of a snack.

That could be the case, but I keep thinking it was Yuga Khan being trapped in the source after messing around with Mother Boxes, what Lex was seeing, like the recreation of Krypton's history in MoS.

I like the idea that he went mad after seeing New Gods ****, like Lovecraftian Gods make people go mad.

Yeah, I like both of these explanations. I hope they address it in the JL movie. A Mother Box popping up on Earth is a big deal and I'd like to know how it got here.

 

[filip629]

It's just interesting that the killing of zod put in notion a set of events that lead to lex being able to do what he did. And led to doomsday

See, I think someone/something from Apokolips got to Lex. It's not enough to just have Supes kill Zod. It's not enough that Lex then created Doomsday from Zod's corpse. There was a purpose to all of it that ties back to Mother Box, Darkseid, and Apokolips. There has to be something/someone else behind the scenes here. Lex was prodded into his actions and I don't think Supes or the Kryptonian ship is where this ends. I think Lex was influenced by someone from Apokolips.

 

[abake]

If you'd ever read the story, kryptonian, then you might understand.



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Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

You know, I believe that despite their flaws (which IMHO are nowhere near as bad as the general audiences and critics alike seem to believe), both MoS and BvS will stand the test of time far better than other Superhero movies.
They may not be what audiences are expecting nowadays from their Summer escapism, but in a few years, I believe both movies will be seen in a very different light.

 

[JAWS]

101% my idea (if I remember correctly it's been so long, I hope i'm right)!

Fangoria loved it, go read what they wrote about it, they specifically mentioned that scene.

What a POS movie it is.

Wait, what were you doing that made her so upset?!

It wouldn't just be because of the fetus would it?

At the time it was without question the most tasteless thing I had seen on screen. My Mom had a fit about the films I watched... Wizard of Gore, Dawn of the Dead, etc..... I would always argue with her and defend my view... This one... It was a bit harder to defend. She won that round

 

[jye4ever]

At the time it was without question the most tasteless thing I had seen on screen. My Mom had a fit about the films I watched... Wizard of Gore, Dawn of the Dead, etc..... I would always argue with her and defend my view... This one... It was a bit harder to defend. She won that round

Since this is a BvS thread here are more pics from CC.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

1) How can you judge a work you haven't even read?
2) Alan Moore writes "fan fiction"?
3) see #1[emoji38]


You don't have to because it's not.
(And "canon" is specious nerd criteria anyway.)




But by all means be true to your self:

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I can't argue with anything you said, but I'm still sticking with my statement.[emoji1]

 

[jye4ever]

I thought BvS had a 38% RT, not 28%!

 

[IrishJedi]

I thought BvS had a 38% RT, not 28%!

Where have you been? It's been 28-29% since the first week. I kinda wish it would drop to 18% at this point.

 

[karamazov80]

Yep, neck and neck with My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 at this point.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Jye4ever has been so busy watching BvS in theaters he hasn't had time to check RT. He's good soldier.

 

[jye4ever]

Yep, neck and neck with My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 at this point.

MOS 55%, thought that was higher.

Jye4ever has been so busy watching BvS in theaters he hasn't had time to check RT. He's good soldier.

I am a good sheep.

The movie would've had to been Fantastic 4 bad for me not to like the Trinity coming together for the first time in cinematic history!

I definately watched this movie thru my 15 year old goggles.