Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[IrishJedi]

Here, I'll give you haters some easy ammo... just because the same tired jokes have become even less funny.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh christ o mighty will you just look at that!

 

[IrishJedi]

(Does Sign of The Cross)

 

[Zodach]

*Spectacles, testicles, watch, wallet*

 

[daikkenaurora]

Here, I'll give you haters some easy ammo... just because the same tired jokes have become even less funny.

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"What an idiot. If we'd just use my sword to cut off his head or stab him in the heart, then Superman would still be alive." - Wonder Woman

 

[Khev]

"What an idiot. If we'd just use my sword to cut off his head or stab him in the heart, then Superman would still be alive." - Wonder Woman

It actually is interesting that the film went out of it's way to show that one of the heroes did indeed wield a weapon that rendered the kryptonite spear unnecessary.

 

[karamazov80]

Snyder wasn't too subtle with the Christ references, for sure. I'm not sure what the overall objective there is, though. A Jesus story without God's heavy involvement? No real exploration of his temptation to sin (apart from Batman's "dream"). In fact, he does sin through premarital sex and killing. Really a stretch to call his a virgin birth. The only things that connect him to Jesus seem to be his superhuman powers, and death and inevitable resurrection.

Not that I would expect Snyder to go beyond the superficial here. If the script was better, there may have been a way of symbolically representing Luthor as Pontius Pilate, of including a Judas, of showing Superman struggle with the temptation to use his powers wrongly, etc.

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, I thought it was tacky, especially when I saw it on Good Friday right before Easter. I'm cool with subtle references or allusions to it, but Man of Steel and BvS are too blatant.

 

[Khev]

Snyder wasn't too subtle with the Christ references, for sure. I'm not sure what the overall objective there is, though. A Jesus story without God's heavy involvement? No real exploration of his temptation to sin (apart from Batman's "dream"). In fact, he does sin through premarital sex and killing. Really a stretch to call his a virgin birth. The only things that connect him to Jesus seem to be his superhuman powers, and death and inevitable resurrection.

Not that I would expect Snyder to go beyond the superficial here. If the script was better, there may have been a way of symbolically representing Luthor as Pontius Pilate, of including a Judas, of showing Superman struggle with the temptation to use his powers wrongly, etc.

Once again Marvel did the Christ thing "better" with Evans Cap. Humble unassuming beginning with an innate and unshakable good inside him. Then he experiences a "transfiguration," has a water baptism, gets a team of disciples who follow him around, was paraded around in embarrassing attire in front of soldiers who mocked him, and "dies" while saving umpteen millions of people until he returns generations later.

 

[daikkenaurora]

It actually is interesting that the film went out of it's way to show that one of the heroes did indeed wield a weapon that rendered the kryptonite spear unnecessary.

That was one of the reasons why I didnt like the end fight even though I hear it was some peoples favorite part. Why waste time getting the spear that also makes Superman weak when Wonder Woman's sword was could cut off Doomsday's arm? Pretty dumb.

Once again Marvel did the Christ thing "better" with Evans Cap. Humble unassuming beginning with an innate and unshakable good inside him. Then he experiences a "transfiguration," has a water baptism, gets a team of disciples who follow him around, was paraded around in embarrassing attire in front of soldiers who mocked him, and "dies" while saving umpteen millions of people until he returns generations later.

Captain America, who murdered Nazi/Hydra soldiers in the past and murders anyone who he needs to stop... is Jesus?

 

[karamazov80]

If he wants to do a religious allegory, then OK. But what's the moral of the story here? What biblical lessons apply to this movie? They don't even really explore the motivations of Superman to help people, much less all the other stuff. But who knows? Maybe Justice League will hire Kirk Cameron on as a technical adviser to address these deficiencies.

 

[Khev]

If he wants to do a religious allegory, then OK. But what's the moral of the story here?

Yeah, even Paul Verhoeven had a method to his madness with his dubious parallels between Jesus and Alex Murphy. He wasn't using RoboCop as an allegory for the Bible but rather what he saw as Western Culture's idealized (for lack of a better word) and re-imagined Jesus, a Jesus that people want to return from the grave for the sole purpose of obliterating their enemies. Rightly or wrongly he definitely had something he wanted to say.

 

[karamazov80]

Well Robocop is as much a satire and social commentary as action movie. I never saw it that way exactly, but can see it since you mention it. Not to get too far off topic, but it is funny how far some have skewed religious language and teachings in recent years to justify pretty un-Christian behaviors. There's a huge billboard on the interstate near me promoting this preacher who tells everyone that Jesus wore fine silk robes and wants everyone to be filthy rich.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't see Captain America being like Christ at all. To me, Cap is Cap. Probably the most down to earth of all the on screen superheroes so far.

The Donner movie handled the Superman = Jesus, Jor-El = God thing pretty tastefully in my opinion. Though some of that stuff like "I sent you, my only son" is a little on the nose.

I always thought Superman was an allegory for Moses anyway. Not sure why everyone is so keen on making him another Jesus like character like Neo, Anakin, Harry Potter, etc. "Chosen Ones" are unrepeatable. Give me a story about the flawed every man any day.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Once again Marvel did the Christ thing "better" with Evans Cap. Humble unassuming beginning with an innate and unshakable good inside him. Then he experiences a "transfiguration," has a water baptism, gets a team of disciples who follow him around, was paraded around in embarrassing attire in front of soldiers who mocked him, and "dies" while saving umpteen millions of people until he returns generations later.

I doubt that was their intention. E.T. did it better anyway He came from the heavens, found a small group of followers, he could perform miracles, he was persecuted, he died, came back to life, Jesus asked his father "why have you forsaken me?", and E.T. phoned home, and finally E.T. went back to heaven after telling his disciple Elliot that he'll always be with him. Still better and more subtle than Snyder's Hopeman.

 

[Khev]

Well Robocop is as much a satire and social commentary as action movie.

Absolutely. So much so that I recognize that it's pretty unfair to compare what Zack Snyder was trying to say to any level of RoboCop given the shocking amount of layers present in Verhoeven's flick. Really no Marvel or DC film (whether it be TWS, TDK, etc.) can match RoboCop in that regard. But still Paul did show one way to do a not-very-accurate Christ motif and still have it correlate to something he believed he saw in real life that he believed was worth mentioning.

 

[DiFabio]

I doubt that was their intention. E.T. did it better anyway He came from the heavens, found a small group of followers, he could perform miracles, he was persecuted, he died, came back to life, Jesus asked his father "why have you forsaken me?", and E.T. phoned home, and finally E.T. went back to heaven after telling his disciple Elliot that he'll always be with him. Still better and more subtle than Snyder's Hopeman.

Yeah and let's not forget, "Nuthin' I'm just a kid from Brooklyn."

That's what makes his character so appealing.

 

[Khev]

I doubt that was their intention. The same can be said about E.T. He came from the heaves, found a small group of followers, he could perform miracles, he was persecuted, he died, came back to life, Jesus asked his father "why have you forsaken me?", and E.T. phoned home, and finally E.T. went back to heaven after telling his disciple Elliot that he'll always be with him. Still better and more subtle than Snyder's Hopeman.

And has been many times.

 

[DiFabio]

Absolutely. So much so that I recognize that it's pretty unfair to compare what Zack Snyder was trying to say to any level of RoboCop given the shocking amount of layers present in Verhoeven's flick. Really no Marvel or DC film (whether it be TWS, TDK, etc.) can match RoboCop in that regard. But still Paul did show one way to do a not-very-accurate Christ motif and still have it correlate to something he believed he saw in real life.

Yeah, Robocop's is good.

I still don't buy that he "walks on water" at the end or whatever Verhoeven says. That felt like a stretch. I always figured the water at the Steel Mill was just shallow, unless Clarance is a Christ-like character too.

 

[Khev]

The water was indeed shallow, Paul just liked the symbolic illusion of Murphy *appearing* to walk on water even though his character really wasn't.