Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Straw man argument. Marvel has proved that you don't have to drift too far away from the comic, for the general public to accept it with open arms. Warner Bros proved that themselves with the original Superman decades ago.

spiderman is a perfect example of that. Say what you will about the quality of the movies but the look is definitely there in all of them, the essence is there
 
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the problem is that the style doesn't apply to everything, which is why man of steel had so many problems and why fans were so mad

Maybe so but us fans only represent a small segment of viewing audience $ 600 millon is not a bad showing yeah its no batman numbers but hey its a start. I think they are less reluctant to try that non grounded approach as green lantern was not recieved well granted it had a lot of other problems but hey if its not broke dont fix it.

I am kind of glad that fans dont have a say in things case in point do you think arrow would be able to survive on any other network except the CW , no it would not but they got a nich and they are working with in it.
 
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I exploded all over MOS so much that I'm plain exhausted. I can't even watch the movie anymore without falling asleep. I WANT MY SUPERMAN BACK!
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I exploded all over MOS so much that I'm plain exhausted. I can't even watch the movie anymore without falling asleep. I WANT MY SUPERMAN BACK!

A true fan the only way you every going to see you old school superman back is on cable tv or if you all ready own it.

I mean superman returns the tone of that movie was not bad and its not too dark like mos it could have been launching point but it unfortunately it was boring were it needed to be fun.

I am more interested in the next franchise can DC bring to life for example aquaman because as much as I like superman and batman they need to branch out . I would love to see a green lantern reboot on par with how good the comic has been the relationship is what should be ultimate focus of these movies and then all the other stuff comes. The end goal should be a great movie that is entertaining the only way to deliver that is if they still to the core characteristics of characters and ay the same time bringing forth the style and the presentation to what modern audiences expect of movies today
 
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It is just going to be boring to have all DC movies now be dark and gritty and "No fun allowed" type of movies. Specially with someone like Superman.
Everyone in dark colors and everything super serious and sad all the time... what a downer
 
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With all the characters DC have there should be a new movie every year. The Atom, Hawkman, Firestorm, Blue Devil, Plastic Man, Starman . . . Unlike marvel each character started in their own part of the DC universe before they joined a group. The fact that Antman is coming out before the Atom is a real punch in the face to DC.
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

It is just going to be boring to have all DC movies now be dark and gritty and "No fun allowed" type of movies. Specially with someone like Superman.
Everyone in dark colors and everything super serious and sad all the time... what a downer


Yet all of the Marvel movies seem to be "only fun allowed". Thor 2 had far too much humor. Maybe Marvel's just more kid friendly all around.

There's no way in hell Captain America 3 can compete with Batman/Superman in box office numbers unless they throw in Iron Man (which wont happen). Cap by myself, Bucky, Falcon, Widow, Fury, Hawkeye, Thor, and Hulk couldn't save that movie from being 2nd place.

It's safe to say BvS will be average, or flat out suck due to what we got before, but it's not like Iron Man 2 & 3, Cap 1, Thor 1 & 2, and The Incredible Hulk were monumental films in the slightest. All of them were average or flat out letdowns. Marvel has Iron Man 1 and The Avengers as their best work. DC technically just started their shared universe with Man of Steel. The way I see it, anything is possible if Marvel went from the grand Iron Man 1, to the overstuffed Iron Man 2 and atrocious Iron Man 3. Hell, even Avengers 2 could be a letdown as well as Justice League. No director is fail proof *cough* Nolan *cough*.
 
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With all the characters DC have there should be a new movie every year. The Atom, Hawkman, Firestorm, Blue Devil, Plastic Man, Starman . . . Unlike marvel each character started in their own part of the DC universe before they joined a group. The fact that Antman is coming out before the Atom is a real punch in the face to DC.

Yeah I am hoping they get some other franchises going but I think in this case it might be a good idea for DC to come after Marvel with regards to producing lesser known characters because their is a risk factor and I don't think DC is in any position to try something like that. It might be a good idea to still with the more known characters and then branch out.

Marvel has 7 or 8 movies with this new format while in actuality DC only has one . So at least they can learn . I am hoping the beat them to the punch with an Aquaman movie has although he is not as well know as the other 2 juggernaut's he is a staple character in their universe after all he is the king of the seven seas
 
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Yet all of the Marvel movies seem to be "only fun allowed". Thor 2 had far too much humor. Maybe Marvel's just more kid friendly all around.

There's no way in hell Captain America 3 can compete with Batman/Superman in box office numbers unless they throw in Iron Man (which wont happen). Cap by myself, Bucky, Falcon, Widow, Fury, Hawkeye, Thor, and Hulk couldn't save that movie from being 2nd place.

It's safe to say BvS will be average, or flat out suck due to what we got before, but it's not like Iron Man 2 & 3, Cap 1, Thor 1 & 2, and The Incredible Hulk were monumental films in the slightest. All of them were average or flat out letdowns. Marvel has Iron Man 1 and The Avengers as their best work. DC technically just started their shared universe with Man of Steel. The way I see it, anything is possible if Marvel went from the grand Iron Man 1, to the overstuffed Iron Man 2 and atrocious Iron Man 3. Hell, even Avengers 2 could be a letdown as well as Justice League. No director is fail proof *cough* Nolan *cough*.

I think Iron Man and Avengers main box office draw was due to it being more kid friendly I recall seeing so many kids at that movie unlike the Nolan movies and that I think is a just the style the 2 universes are set in. So we may never see a DC movie bring in as much as a marvel movie due to them being geared towards to different audiences.
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

It is just going to be boring to have all DC movies now be dark and gritty and "No fun allowed" type of movies. Specially with someone like Superman.
Everyone in dark colors and everything super serious and sad all the time... what a downer

Yet all of the Marvel movies seem to be "only fun allowed". Thor 2 had far too much humor. Maybe Marvel's just more kid friendly all around.

Variety. People don't want it. It seems people want all movies to have the same style and tone.
 
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If they made a good movie recently I'd give them a break. I liked Begins somewhat. Hated TDK, didn't even want to watch TDKR. MoS was just plain dumb and ugly.
Now if they had the nuts to reach out and expand their universe to the general public beyond Supes and Bats, The Boring Duo, they might find the success that Marvel has.
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

It is just going to be boring to have all DC movies now be dark and gritty and "No fun allowed" type of movies. Specially with someone like Superman.
Everyone in dark colors and everything super serious and sad all the time... what a downer

Maybe dark and gritty but that does not translate to boring case in point Captain America the winter solider as cool as it look I would have preferred it going a darker route it is supposed to be in the vain of spy and political movies and those have a much darker tone both in how they are shot and the overall style of the movie. So far I only see one scene shot at night most spy movies are have a dark element covert clock and dagger stuff then is always in the shadows at night.

And why not make it a bit more adult hell I would love to see them kill some character on screen that's why I hoping and I think DC will adapt the most famous superman story the Death and Return of superman. How sweet would it be to see that on screen and the only way to show it would be to make it dark and gritty
 
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"Dark and gritty" is a label constantly being misused on the Nolan Trilogy, the Nolan trilogy isn't dark nor gritty, in fact is bright and clean, maybe Batman Begins was a little gritty, but it immediately lost that with The Dark knight, the Burton movies are way darker and grittier, in fact, even the Pan's Labyrinth is waaaay darker than the Nolan trilogy :lol

The Nolan trilogy's trademark is that it provided the franchise with a liiiittle more realism, which perfectly suits Batman, after all it's only one more take on the character, and that realism wasn't the problem that eventually arose in TDKR, TDKR had many problems but the realistic approach wasn't one of them, and people have a hard time discerning that, MoS followed a bit of the Nolan tone but not the realism part, because it's impossible to do that when you reach the part of Clark being a space baby, and not the Nolan trilogy nor MoS were devoid of humor, they don't have nearly as much as the Avengers and how could they? Marvel uses by-the-book sitcom dialogue, fine, it works, but that's because Marvel characters are geared that way, most of them, and only some in DC, not Batman nor Superman are known for their comedic value being their fun factor, Batman can throw one or two lines of dry acid humor, but that's it, the characters that provide comedic relief in DC haven't even been introduced yet.

Btw 1000 pages :horror:
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

"Dark and gritty" is a label constantly being misused on the Nolan Trilogy, the Nolan trilogy isn't dark nor gritty, in fact is bright and clean, maybe Batman Begins was a little gritty, but it immediately lost that with The Dark knight, the Burton movies are way darker and grittier, in fact, even the Pan's Labyrinth is waaaay darker than the Nolan trilogy :lol

...whut? :rotfl
 
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Well I can see his logic there. Burton Batman kills people, as in deliberately. Some of it in a dark humour sort of way. As for 'grittiness' - well the fight scenes in Nolan's Batman tried to be gritty I think as opposed to being slightly more choreographed in the Burton films.

So not as dark as Burton's films but they do attempt some grit....if I'm even understanding wtf that means in the first place.

As he said the primary trademark of Nolans Batman was the believable (or indeed unimaginative) world he set it in, the 'realism'
 
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I was just thinking about how he turned the batmobile around and burned the devil dude to death on Returns. Wow, if you set a store on fire, you get the death penalty or get burned so bad you might as well be dead anyway :lol. I don't think the guy burned anybody yet from what I could see either. Let's not forget putting a bomb on a fat guy because you weren't strong enough to knock him out.
 
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I still don't understand how cops didn't track down where the batmobile went on begins after he turned his lights back on and crashed through a cement barricade and fence smh.
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Well I can see his logic there. Burton Batman kills people, as in deliberately. Some of it in a dark humour sort of way. As for 'grittiness' - well the fight scenes in Nolan's Batman tried to be gritty I think as opposed to being slightly more choreographed in the Burton films.

So not as dark as Burton's films but they do attempt some grit....if I'm even understanding wtf that means in the first place.

As he said the primary trademark of Nolans Batman was the believable (or indeed unimaginative) world he set it in, the 'realism'

Correctomundo!

But personally I wouldn't call it unimaginative, it only seems dull cause a lot of people attempted the same thing after Nolan.


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Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

"Dark and gritty" is a label constantly being misused on the Nolan Trilogy, the Nolan trilogy isn't dark nor gritty, in fact is bright and clean, maybe Batman Begins was a little gritty, but it immediately lost that with The Dark knight, the Burton movies are way darker and grittier, in fact, even the Pan's Labyrinth is waaaay darker than the Nolan trilogy :lol

The Nolan trilogy's trademark is that it provided the franchise with a liiiittle more realism, which perfectly suits Batman, after all it's only one more take on the character, and that realism wasn't the problem that eventually arose in TDKR, TDKR had many problems but the realistic approach wasn't one of them, and people have a hard time discerning that, MoS followed a bit of the Nolan tone but not the realism part, because it's impossible to do that when you reach the part of Clark being a space baby, and not the Nolan trilogy nor MoS were devoid of humor, they don't have nearly as much as the Avengers and how could they? Marvel uses by-the-book sitcom dialogue, fine, it works, but that's because Marvel characters are geared that way, most of them, and only some in DC, not Batman nor Superman are known for their comedic value being their fun factor, Batman can throw one or two lines of dry acid humor, but that's it, the characters that provide comedic relief in DC haven't even been introduced yet.

Btw 1000 pages :horror:

:goodpost:

I don't get why dark and or gritty and or realistic is thought of as a Nolan thing. That style and the more light style have been prevalent across loads of superhero movies for decades

"Light" or "Fun" movies

Superman The Motion Picture
Superman II
Superman III
Superman IV : The Quest For Peace
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 3
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Green Lantern
Thor
Captain America The First Avenger
The Avengers
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World

"Dark", "Gritty" or "Realistic" movies

Batman
Batman Returns
The Dark Knight Trilogy
Blade
Blade II
Blade Trinity
Superman Returns
HULK
The Incredible Hulk
The Punisher
Punisher War Zone
Daredevil
Elektra
X-Men
X2
X3 The Last Stand
X-Men First Class
The Wolverine
The Amazing Spider-Man
Man of Steel

Some of them don't exactly fit the categories and are more a mix of the two tones.
 
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