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Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Yeah well, it took my ridiculously long and nerdy posts to even bring one person out to say that.

If you're a fan of something, you respect fellow fans of that character, as far as I'm concerned. Even if those are versions you don't like. And you're lying to yourself if you think Man of Steel isn't a valid version of the character. I would think this thread exists primarily to discuss the topic, not throw **** at it.

What I'm saying is that to come to this thread and just tear this film and this take on the character down for your own enjoyment, and not in anyway to add any constructive argument or any positive input whatsoever, or even ask fellow fans of the character why they do like the character, or ANYTHING non-*********gy AT ALL, is disrespectful of fellow fans of this character. And I mean that.

Man of Steel is NOT Batman & Robin, it is NOT as universally disliked. And therefore the attitude that you can go here and make it your personal funhouse of crapping on this film is outright being a **** about it.
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Yeah well, it took my ridiculously long and nerdy posts to even bring one person out to say that.

If you're a fan of something, you respect fellow fans of that character, as far as I'm concerned. Even if those are versions you don't like. And you're lying to yourself if you think Man of Steel isn't a valid version of the character. I would think this thread exists primarily to discuss the topic, not throw **** at it.

What I'm saying is that to come to this thread and just tear this film and this take on the character down for your own enjoyment, and not in anyway to add any constructive argument or any positive input whatsoever, or even ask fellow fans of the character why they do like the character, or ANYTHING non-*********gy AT ALL, is disrespectful of fellow fans of this character. And I mean that.

Man of Steel is NOT Batman & Robin, it is NOT as universally disliked. And therefore the attitude that you can go here and make it your personal funhouse of crapping on this film is outright being a **** about it.

Now you know why I kind of jumped to conclusions in the DOFP thread. It sucks when you truly enjoyed a film, or looking forward to it, and people try and ruin that for you. Theres nothing wrong with voicing your opinion about a film, but when someone tries to hammer their opinion down everyones throat, the arguments start. I hated the Avengers, but you don’t find me in that thread constantly saying the movie sucks. What would I get out of that? Some members here do vent due to their love for the characters, but some are indeed trolls, and sometimes the trolls and disappointed fans join forces to take over a thread, kind of like Venom and Sandman in SM3 :lol
 
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Maybe they are from sources I'm not familiar with, but to me, it seemed they borrowed less as each movie went along. I felt BB had tons lifted from comic sources but by the time TDKR came along I wasn't seeing a lot of parallel in anything I had ever read anyways.

Theres little bits of the comics in all 3. Begins is a lot of Dennis O'Neil and Frank Miller. TDK is a lot of Brubaker and Sale/Loeb. And then Rises theres a lot of little things from a lot of comics writers like Chuck Dixon who created Bane, Greg Rucka, Bill Willingham, Brubaker again. Its just little bits that they took and made it their own. For example there is an amazing Joker Interrogation scene in Gotham Central that was definitely influence on the Joker interrogation scene in the TDK.

Thats usually what they did, they took influence from specific comics and then changed things to make it their own and did an AMAZING job i think. Its not that i watch the Trilogy and think about it, but i love seeing little things from the comics in the films.

Those writers i mentioned above made some of the best batman comics there ever has been, starting in the 80s up until now. actually even going back to the 70s with Ras al Ghul. You should check them all out. Amazing stuff!!! Im still reading a lot of it myself because there is a lot to go through. And you will gain maybe even more appreciation for the TDK Trilogy. :)
 
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@Pturtle Exactly. And we had a solid discussion about whether that franchise is still validated as it is, and we agreed to disagree without any adversity. Even though in some ways we really disagree.

If there's anything I embrace it's critical thought. What I see some people spamming here is not critical thought, it's dicking around in the prime place where it can annoy those they disagree with. If that's how this board rolls, fine, it's not a film dedicated board. By all means let me know and I can stop wasting my time with these posts.

@Morph, nice name drops man. Good info! Have to check that out some time.

Does anybody btw know of anything that they expect to be used in BvsS, apart from obviously TDKReturns? From Batman comics I mean.
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Yeah well, it took my ridiculously long and nerdy posts to even bring one person out to say that

Again, you're only looking at the negative. In the past 24hours in this thread MoS has been defended by Batfan09, snoop101, gasparzizwhatever, even Khev. Theres a couple others as well like Nova who chimed in support for MoS. Its not like u have to look back for a month to find fans, you're engaging what u say are negative aspects, rather than choosing to discuss with the threads u claim to prefer, so it looks a little hypocritical.
 
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@Khev And concerning an earlier post of yours, yeah I can't say I find a discussion good fun when people constantly have to resort to shallow "cool" one liners just to one-up people and think that they're making a strong or intellectual point. If you actually wanna discuss a film on an intellectual level, you have to at least view the film itself with an intellectual mindset first. Otherwise it's pretty much a load of posing BS.

I understand where you're coming from. We're joined on these threads by common interests (movies/Superman/Batman/superheroes, etc) and it can be very frustrating when the place we come to join with like-minded individuals becomes a negative or buzz killing experience. We want to debate and even argue to try and restore the environment to the mutually fun place we all want it to be. I've been very frustrated by discussions where people appear hell bent on bringing down those who are excited to their level of disappointment. A lot of preaching to the choir (on both sides) ensues and nothing goes anywhere.

Which makes it nice when filmmakers actually throw us a bone and make it easier to stay positive about their efforts. :)

Come on Nolan, come on Zack, give us a break. Suicidal tornado scenes, 8 years of NOTHING? Geez. But hopefully those that reject things wholesale can still discuss films in a way that doesn't bring others down. But we're a bunch of emotional geeks so it's often easier said than done. I don't see MOS or TDKR as train wrecks but rather mixed bags with more good than bad. Sometimes if a beloved movie is too polarizing you've just got to check out and keep your enthusiasm intact in the comfort of your own living room. :)

If I really love a movie that gets a good amount of hate then I'll just avoid those threads and spot check it if I see it bumped. If it appears to more negative crap I don't engage, if it is stuff I appreciate or agree with I might read further or even join in. If it's criticism that I agree with or find valid and intellectual then I might stick around even if it isn't all rosy. I do that with the Hobbit threads. I love the new movies *so* much but I know they have a fair amount of bashers so I just save myself the headache of taking it all in.
 
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Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

@Pturtle Exactly. And we had a solid discussion about whether that franchise is still validated as it is, and we agreed to disagree without any adversity. Even though in some ways we really disagree.

I'm a freakin student of philosophy, if there's anything I embrace it's critical thought. What I see some people spamming here is not critical thought, it's dicking around in the prime place where it can annoy those they disagree with. If that's how this board rolls, fine, it's not a film dedicated board. By all means let me know and I can stop wasting my time with these posts.

@Morph, nice name drops man. Good info! Have to check that out some time.

Does anybody btw know of anything that they expect to be used in BvsS, apart from obviously TDKReturns? From Batman comics I mean.

Not much has been said. Returns would be obvious. Im very curious how Wonder Woman will be involved.

For Man of Steel, i recommend reading Godfall by the late great Michael Turner. its not direct MoS, but I see some influence because its life on Krypton. Its really amazing and his artwork is gorgeous. Michael also did a run of Batman/Superman which I would guess will have influence on BvS. Those stories involved Wonder Woman and even Supergirl so I have to think it could be one of the places they go for influence.
 
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Shows how out of the comics scene I an. Didn't even know he had died. He wasn't much older than me, that sucks.
 
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Shows how out of the comics scene I an. Didn't even know he had died. He wasn't much older than me, that sucks.

Yah, hes my favorite comic artist. he passed is 2008. Can't believe its been that long. I have a huge collection of Turner comics. They aren't worth much, but i just love his art. I have some 13x19 prints of his DC and Aspen stuff that are just amazing. One is Superman flying above the earth, just love it...the colors are incredible. Reminds me of Reeve & Henry flying over the earth. when i saw that scene in MoS i thought of Michael and Reeve :)

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Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Yeah well, it took my ridiculously long and nerdy posts to even bring one person out to say that.

If you're a fan of something, you respect fellow fans of that character, as far as I'm concerned. Even if those are versions you don't like. And you're lying to yourself if you think Man of Steel isn't a valid version of the character. I would think this thread exists primarily to discuss the topic, not throw **** at it.

What I'm saying is that to come to this thread and just tear this film and this take on the character down for your own enjoyment, and not in anyway to add any constructive argument or any positive input whatsoever, or even ask fellow fans of the character why they do like the character, or ANYTHING non-*********gy AT ALL, is disrespectful of fellow fans of this character. And I mean that.

Man of Steel is NOT Batman & Robin, it is NOT as universally disliked. And therefore the attitude that you can go here and make it your personal funhouse of crapping on this film is outright being a **** about it.
I've made my reasons for not liking the movie clear since day one. I never use cute one liners, or harsh words. I always explain where I come from and use full clear examples from the film. Because of my dislike I've been heckled, and insulted by fans on this forum like Irishjedi, and fans on Bluray.com. As a fan of movies that many here do not like, such as the Crystal skull and the Star Wars prequels I've heard complaints from all sides from fans. I understand where they are coming from and never take it personally. If they feel the need to use jokes or images that are meant to insult me or my movie, whatever. If you have an honest complint with a film and cannot back it up with a thought out reason then I usually just ignore it. If your bashing something with "it sux" comments and no reasons then you know where they are coming from. Like I said, I love Superman, and I really wanted to love MOS, but I didn't . I could go into all the reasons why in a detailed consise posting, but I think I've said enough.
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Yeah well, it took my ridiculously long and nerdy posts to even bring one person out to say that.

If you're a fan of something, you respect fellow fans of that character, as far as I'm concerned. Even if those are versions you don't like. And you're lying to yourself if you think Man of Steel isn't a valid version of the character. I would think this thread exists primarily to discuss the topic, not throw **** at it.

What I'm saying is that to come to this thread and just tear this film and this take on the character down for your own enjoyment, and not in anyway to add any constructive argument or any positive input whatsoever, or even ask fellow fans of the character why they do like the character, or ANYTHING non-*********gy AT ALL, is disrespectful of fellow fans of this character. And I mean that.

Man of Steel is NOT Batman & Robin, it is NOT as universally disliked. And therefore the attitude that you can go here and make it your personal funhouse of crapping on this film is outright being a **** about it.

I like MOS but I have to ask, is there nothing you hate? no movie you ever hated? ever?
serious question but has there ever been a movie you really hated?
 
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I was just thinking about Man of Steel, and, in some ways, it set up Superboy and Bizarro perfectly. It would make sense that they would come from Superman, since he still has the codex within him, and you also could factor in how the birthing matrix probably wasn't totally destroyed in the crash.
 
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@Khev, well, your post is appreciated accept that for me the Tornado scene is great and a highlight of the film. SO as long as we can agree to disagree in a respectful way. I've no issues.

If you want me to defend why I do like that particularly scene in pretty much every aspect I'll gladly do so. But not if the response is going to be "you're just a raving fanboy". Not that you particularly would give me that response per se, but just in general. Equating any defence of something with fanboyism is as ridiculous as equating any offence with hating.

I've made my reasons for not liking the movie clear since day one. [...]
:clap Applaud your post man. I'm sorry you didn't like it, but I respect your position.:)
I like MOS but I have to ask, is there nothing you hate? no movie you ever hated? ever?
serious question but has there ever been a movie you really hated?

Let me see... I do genuinely dislike RDJ's act in his solo Iron Man films, but I would never say I hate it. I think The Hobbit trilogy comes close as a recent example, because I adore LotR and I feel Jackson is undoing everything the original LotR did for the genre. But I mean, hating? I hate twilight... maybe? In that I cannot stand anything about it. I just don't like the word hate, it's like, I can ignore it, so why would I hate it? I hate things that genuinely impact and ruin my life such as a car accident or being broke or whatever. A film can't do that. It's too easy to ignore it's existence for me to genuinely mount feelings of hate for it. There are films of characters I'd loathe, but to genuinely say I hate it, kinda hard for me to justify.

But if you wanna equate loathing to hating than let's keep the Hobbit trilogy as my example. And I readily admit that among friends I do really make fun of it. And in general film related areas, forums, podcast, I do love it when people do that, and I will suck up when people mock man of steel.

But I would NEVER consciously go to a place that's meant to gather people interested in specifically the Hobbit just to spit in their faces about it or vent my anger. I don't begrudge people their Hobbit movies. I'd genuinely feel bad about myself if I did. There has to be a public place where fans of something can discuss their topics without being bothered by people's outright hate for it. And I don't care what it is. Even if it's uwe boll movies.:rotfl
 
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@Khev, well, your post is appreciated accept that for me the Tornado scene is great and a highlight of the film. SO as long as we can agree to disagree in a respectful way. I've no issues.

If you want me to defend why I do like that particularly scene in pretty much every aspect I'll gladly do so. But not if the response is going to be "you're just a raving fanboy". Not that you particularly would give me that response per se, but just in general. Equating any defence of something with fanboyism is as ridiculous as equating any offence with hating.

I found it extremely easy to love man of steel, the only problems I have with it is that the ending is sloppy (and though not an issue for myself, I can see why it became desensitising to people). The omission of a scene acknowledging the destruction of Metropolis and laying out a setup for that to be dealt with in the next film is a very simple yet very impactful flaw. Hell General Swanwick could've at least mentioned it and the cut from Zod's death straight to that scene is ridiculously blunt. However the tornado scene is brilliant imo, because it let's Clarke feel the way all humans would feel. He will carry that with him for the rest of his life to remind him what it means to be powerless and to respect the consequences of his own power. It teaches him the true pain of humanity and I like that level of emotion. I love Man of Steel for its depiction of Jon Kent because there's finally someone who acknowledges what a massive impact the discovery of a being like superman could have. Maybe it's because I myself am not American, and am very aware of the fact that my country will never have much of a say in world politics. And so Superman is to outside countries essentially a weapon America possesses. Superman is basically a unique sentient atomic bomb with regards to what he could do to other nations with it. And it doesn't matter if Clarke is good, or if WE know Clarke is good. The point of Jon is that others, others outside America but presumably also inside (Oh hey look its jesse eisenberg), might respond negatively to his very existence and that it could harm a lot of people because they might disagree, violently, on what to do with Superman. What if other nations decide that a preemptive strike against america in order to destroy superman as a power threat to them is being acted upon? How many livs could be lost in a conflict just over superman's existence and the threat he exerts.

As for the destruction in man of steel, as I said, if this film, MoS2, doesn't deal with that subject THAT is the point where I will turn on Snyder and say, okay dude, you gotta pick this up now (and I am confident he will). But within the context of part 1 Superman not being able to contain the violence of Zod is not a flaw of the film imo it's the exact point of it. They gave Superman an arc that's blatantly unfinished. And he's clearly NOT Superman at the end of Man of Steel. But that's actually what I love about it, because it's a setup. And it implies a journey to come in where we will see him become that hero. I understand why some don't like Man of Steel because of it, and that it's not Superman, maybe not Superman in any real way, but it's not a flaw of the film. It's the point of it. You can either appreciate that point or not. And I mean I know plenty of people who have BECOME Superman fans because of man of steel, because they now feel him as more relatable. So having acknowledged that I too see technical flaws with the film, especially toward the end, I genuinely feel MoS is one of the best in its genre. And easily the best reboot I've ever seen for anything. And if you disagree that's fine I have no issues with that. But my position is not outrageous nor unreasonable many people agree overall.

And ftr, if Snyder doesn't live up to what I hope with BvS (which I still refer to as MoS2) THAN I will join the side that's angry over collateral damage. But in interviews with snyder and goyer I'm so far confident he will.


:clap Applaud your post man. I'm sorry you didn't like it, but I respect your position.:)


Let me see... I do genuinely dislike RDJ's act in his solo Iron Man films, but I would never say I hate it. I think The Hobbit trilogy comes close as a recent example, because I adore LotR and I feel Jackson is undoing everything the original LotR did for the genre. But I mean, hating? I hate twilight... maybe? In that I cannot stand anything about it. I just don't like the word hate, it's like, I can ignore it, so why would I hate it? I hate things that genuinely impact and ruin my life such as a car accident or being broke or whatever. A film can't do that. It's too easy to ignore it's existence for me to genuinely mount feelings of hate for it. There are films of characters I'd loathe, but to genuinely say I hate it, kinda hard for me to justify.

But if you wanna equate loathing to hating than let's keep the Hobbit trilogy as my example. And I readily admit that among friends I do really make fun of it. And in general film related areas, forums, podcast, I do love it when people do that, and I will suck up when people mock man of steel.

But I would NEVER consciously go to a place that's meant to gather people interested in specifically the Hobbit just to spit in their faces about it or vent my anger. I don't begrudge people their Hobbit movies. I'd genuinely feel bad about myself if I did. There has to be a public place where fans of something can discuss their topics without being bothered by people's outright hate for it. And I don't care what it is. Even if it's uwe boll movies.:rotfl
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Man of steel is my favorite superman movie. I am glad you took the time to address the knuckle heads that come in here just to blast the film because they think its "cool". I bailed on this threads a while ago because of that same ****. Its hard to have intellectual discussion when people hate something..
 
Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

@Khev, well, your post is appreciated accept that for me the Tornado scene is great and a highlight of the film. SO as long as we can agree to disagree in a respectful way. I've no issues.

If you want me to defend why I do like that particularly scene in pretty much every aspect I'll gladly do so.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on why the tornado scene worked. I'm up for any excuse to enjoy the film more.
 
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But that's the thing Kal was not helpless. He could have saved his father, he was just told not to.
 
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