Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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I haven't read much of Sandman, but what I have read is pretty mind-blowing.
Obviously "A Mid-Summer Night's Dream" comes immediately to mind as a stand-out story (won lots of awards as well, including the World Fantasy Award for Best Story, the first ever comic to do so), but I think very little could be farther away from Muscle-Bound, Spandex-Clad Superheroes...
 
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Yeah, I think they changed the criteria for the award after that story won, because they were so embarrassed that a comic book won :lol

My favorite Sandman related character is probably Destruction.
 
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Yeah, I think they changed the criteria for the award after that story won, because they were so embarrassed that a comic book won :lol

My favorite Sandman related character is probably Destruction.

Mine is Death!

Death: the high cost of living is probably one of the best comic I've ever read. And Death as a goth chick was so cute!
 
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DC need to get in there fast. This current Superhero trend will fade, as all trends do.
If Avengers 2 doesn't make a trillion dollars the execs will announce it's time to move on.

Personally I think audience fatigue is already starting to show. Thor 2 and Cap 2 as fun as they were didn't have that sense of fun and freshness IMO. I doubt Thor 3 or Cap 3 would do fantastically if released in next year.

Guardians is different enough to cut through but it's still an unknown thing.
 
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I actually feel the opposite about both of those movies, that they were very fresh and an encouraging evolution of the genre. This was reinforced with DOFP--the best X-Men movie yet. But, just my two cents. I do think this train will run out of steam at some point, but it seems at its peak at the moment IMO.
 
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Oh I agree that Thor2 and Cap2 were good, I just feel that they were at that peak of general audiences interest that you mentioned.
Still flying on the coat tails of the behemoth that was Avengers. This isn't about the quality of the movies but audience fatigue with the content.
I loved Cap2, but I didn't leave dying to see Cap3.

DOFP was very enjoyable, I felt the second half got a little dull. But that's true of most Singer movies. Best X-Men movie? Maybe, I liked First Class a lot as well. I also loved the first half of X1 and X2.

I guess my general feeling with The Marvel Universe now is that I've spent a lot of time there, I'm not thrilled about going back to Asgard, I'm not thrilled by the prospect of seeing Shield in action anymore, I like all the movies but it feels to me at least to be getting a little tired. Edgar Wrights Antman could have done wonders, alas not to be.

It's actually one of the reasons I liked IM3. It was more about characters and smart writing than Iron Man, because we have seen so much of him doing his thing. I think Shane Black probably felt the same, but apart from the incredible box office (which was a given) fans seemed very spilt by it. Over familiarity will set in at some point no matter how good the movies and then the projects will become more niche and smaller budgeted as a result.

DC want in on the $, but may have left it too late.
 
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Yeah, "event" movies always runs in cycles. After Batman Forever studios seemed to move to disaster movies for the second half of the 90's and superhero movies didn't really make a resurgence until 2002's Spider-Man. Sure there was Batman & Robin, Blade, and X-Men but those were hardly blockbusters.

That said SINCE 2002 we've pretty much had a steady stream of big superhero movies every year or every other year since. So 12 years is a big run. I think it probably would have died out already had Marvel not come in and reignited everything by creating the first shared universe. But even that will be old hat eventually.,
 
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I think it just depends on the film. I wouldn't throw all of the superhero movies in the same basket. Cap 2 and X-Men DOFP felt fresh and exciting, absolutely loved em. Thor 2, for me, was kind of meh and Amazing Spider-Man 2 was lame. It just depends.

As for DC, I don't think they really have a chance but I've been wrong before. Maybe with more time, Batman vs. Superman will pack some surprises.
 
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I think Batman v Supes might have a chance of making decent money, just because of what it is. Like Man Of Steel did. Can't see it going much further than that though, but as you say, who knows. Personally I do feel like the whole thing is running out of steam a little.

And once Hollywood start to feel that they will stop taking risks.
 
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I actually feel the opposite about both of those movies, that they were very fresh and an encouraging evolution of the genre. This was reinforced with DOFP--the best X-Men movie yet. But, just my two cents. I do think this train will run out of steam at some point, but it seems at its peak at the moment IMO.

Yes, both Cap 2 and DOFP injected fresh blood into a genre that was becoming stale in my eyes, more so DOFP than Cap, since I was in the side of the spectrum who wanted a reboot under marvel studios and they managed to make me give a 180 and support what they're doing now.
 
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Superhero comic fans or video game fans. I wonder which will be worse.

I can't imagine the video game fans *****ing and moaning about every last detail in the movies as much as superhero fans have for the past decade, but you never know...
 
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I can see where Rory is coming from, but I think you can look at it on two levels. Yes, at this point most comic movies are variations on a theme. GOTG seems to be a riff on the quirky lovable scamps that Tony Stark made work in a comic film. Cap was simply superimposing a political espionage type theme on top of a fairly traditional comic narrative, and Thor 2 was (IMO) an advancement in making a fun, action comic movie that embraced what it was, and wasn't held down by unnecessary exposition/origin stories, and awkward/uneven pacing. But that is an evolution, that could only occur by having other films come first that established precedents and failed or succeeded by trying things a bit differently. And I think that evolution is a positive thing, unlike, say, Spidey 3, or X3, or Man of Steel, which was total devolution.

But sure, another way to make things even more exciting and fresh is to try and reinvent the wheel in some way. That's what Iron Man did, and X-Men and the Nolan films before it. I would love to see Dr. Strange do some of that. If I had any faith whatsoever in WB, I would hope for that with Sandman, but I don't, so I don't. There are different kinds of comic stories that we haven't seen done, or done well on the big screen--Vertigo stuff, mystical/magic stuff, space stuff (maybe GOTG will succeed there), trippy stuff like the Invisibles, post-modern stuff like Planetary, neoclassic stuff like Supreme, manic, over the top comedies like Deadpool, allowing an auteur like Wright, or Wes Anderson, or Cronenberg, or the Coens to take on a comic property, etc. And I do hope we will see more experimentation on that front. But at the same time, in my mind, we are seeing innovations and improvements on a smaller scale, which give us better films, and keep these franchises from becoming more genuinely stale.

Can't wait for Superhero movies to end and Videogame movies take over.
I don't really see that happening. Videogame franchises, with a few major exceptions (Mario, Zelda and the like) have a shelf life. They aren't as universal over time like comics, and they run their course, and folks move on to the next idea. Which makes some sense as an analogy for the short-attention span you can stereotype to folks playing videogames. Furter, they usually don't create the same level of iconic, memorable characters (talking long term here) as comics, and I'm not sure they connect with younger audiences in a way that tugs on the nostalgia strings the same way comics do. Particularly now that major videogames seem primarily tailored to teens and young adults. I think the time for a great run of videogame movies would have been about a decade ago, when guys like many of us who grew up playing NES/Genesis/etc. as really young kids would have loved seeing smart, updated, film versions of, say, Legend of Zelda or Castlevania. Now? Sure, you can get a hit out of something like Halo, Metal Gear, Res. Evil, or what have you. But I think it misses some critical components that make comic movies successes.

I do hope though, that one day we'll finally get a videogame movie that doesn't blow.
 
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Superhero comic fans or video game fans. I wonder which will be worse.

I can't imagine the video game fans *****ing and moaning about every last detail in the movies as much as superhero fans have for the past decade, but you never know...

They're just as bad, if not worse. If you've read any IGN comment section you'll see lol
 
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More specifically, DC fans are the worst :lecture:

That's not really fair. It seems DC deviates more from the source than Marvel has chosen to do.

DC has the easiest characters to adapt and they pretty consistently **** it up. Batman Begins was the first time we had a great Batman movie where he wasn't murdering bad guys.
 
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