Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[jodl73]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

I'm losing interest for this movie at a rapid rate. At least I get to look forward to Star Wars next year.

At least can save money and focus on the upcoming Avengers 2 line.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Mask of the Phantasm was the best because of the theatrical experience.

Sure beat the hell out of Pocahontas or whatever Disney animated feature was out then.

 

[The Phantom]

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It's actually the other way around, I justify my points, you throw half thought flashy claims that can be very easily refuted, I rarely call out opinions anymore, I rather try to refute factually wrong statements like "Hopeman was irresponsible crashing through the buildings" with the likes of "He didn't crash, Zod threw him" That's no excuse, that's a justification, most of what you post has zero ground to begin with.
Up to this point you've failed to refute why the "green" "excuse" is an "excuse".

You accuse me using excuse when you don't even bother to provide the slightest thought to your claims.

See? Same flimsy flashy claims as usual, don't call me out on making up excuses when you can't cohere accurate claims.

Faora never took off her breather, and when she did and got a missile to the face she got KOd, Nam-Ek never took his breather off at all, and Zod was obvious pain when he did, and later he clearly stated he trained a lifetime to master his senses, sloppy? I think not.

And how does the fact that they can't breathe our air have to do with their physical capabilities as in fighting? They come from krypton which has I don't remember how much more mass than earth and has a red sun, just by being on earth they're gonna be immediately faster and stronger, a physical match for Supes.... I can't believe I have to explain this to you.



Going by what we were told? You're not going by that at all, you're making up your argument from I don't know where....

"Please don't say training" Why not? Is that an excuse too? One would think that something that perfectly explains your illogical claims is something a little more valid than an excuse.

Your point about Superman is one of the very few examples where Superman is actually seen hurt, bleeding or bruised at all, unless there's kryptonite around, he'll rarely get any injuries... Dear lord.




It adds up perfectly and the proof of that is that you still haven't been capable of mustering the slightest hint of rebuttal towards that.

You're not making any sense, it's not a random human vs Zod, it's Superman vs Zod, which puts them in equal ground, if a random person can snap the neck of another random person, how the hell does it not make sense that a kryptonian can snap the neck of another kryptonian?

Are you for realz bruh?



So in your little bubble, an excuse is a perfectly logical argument? Got it, sorry for the mix up.



It wasn't, ignoring the fact that you failed to explain why it's stupid again, and it also doesn't add anything to the topic of discussion.

The tornado? Dumb, Fighter Jor-El? Dumb, The codex subplot? Mediocre, the World Engine was a perfectly good plot device.

But that's ok, if trolling is your goal I'll indulge you until you get tired bruh, you'll lose as much time as I, it's pretty clear that you're not after logical debating.

I'm not acting like I win anything, if you are, that's just sad.

But you did use the evacuated building excuse, I've read it. The only reason you and others stopped was because Snyder told you were wrong. Zod threw him through buildings and HM threw Zod. Hopeman was no slouch when it came to being irresponsible.

The difference is that Zod didn't care, but Kal should have, you and every other Superman fan know that. But you use the excuse that it was his first day.

That's why the excuse that Kal is still green is silly, and I did explain why I think that. I said that he didn't get his powers in an accident or anything like that. He's a full grown, almost middle-aged man that's supposed to be super intelligent (supposed to be). I said that it wasn't his first day as Hopeman, it was his first day he wore the suit. Is that not right? He's had his powers his whole life.

Even factoring his nut job Dad, he offed himself when Kal was about 18? Ok, so that's 15 years that he can learn about his powers. There's no one there to stop him anymore. He was by himself, and he never learned anything? That is dumb. That's like saying no one has ever beat off because they were told not to. What the hell was he doing all that time?

How is what I said about acclimation a flashy claim? I didn't write the script, that wasn't my idea, it was GoyDer's. If you're going to introduce something like that, follow through with it. You don't show Kal still having a problem with it almost ten years after he got here, and then just explain it away by having Zod say he spent a lifetime mastering his senses. Yeah, on Krypton, not on Earth. Try going to Mars, even with training and breathing equiptment, and see how easy it would be to adapt. So yes, that is sloppy. Because of that silly plot device, they're not going to be instantly stronger and faster. That's why they should have just left it out altogether, then there wouldn't be any questions.

I think it was put in there so there could be a nice scene with Kal and his Mom, but it wasn't thought through, like a lot of things in that film.

What do you need to understand about the neck breaking? My question was how he did it. I thought it didn't make sense, that's why I thought it shouldn't have been used. If Snyder would have stuck with a straight up remake of SM I and II, like he was doing already, it still wouldn't make sense.

How was Zod defeated in Superman II? Krypton chamber. How was he defeated in the comic? Gold Kryptonite. Both times his powers were taken away. Never was Superman able to do away with him by killing him until now.

You keep saying that the neck is a delicate spot, but Kal wasn't able to break his neck from throwing trucks at him, smashing him in to brick walls, hitting him with steel beams, and what ever else he did, so how does it make sense that he could just snap his neck?

And shouldn't Zod, the trained Warrior, be the one to do that? If Kal was so green, how was Zod even able to lose the upper hand?

That's why Zod should have just been sucked in to the Phantom Zone, again, this way there wouldn't be these questions. Just like the World Engine ending that the guys who did "How the Man of Steel should have ended", that ending, even though it was a joke, would have been better, and was. But I guess whoever doesn't agree with that is trolling, got it.

All those parts of MOS that you mentioned, you say that they're stupid now, but at one time you defended all of those too.

All of what occured on screen was like that because of how it was written. You think it's great, I don't. So why would I try to prove anything? I don't need you to explain anything, I saw the same film you did, everyone did. I'm not defending that crap, you are.

That's sad.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

The biggest thing is that they go out of their way to show him saving people pre-suit, the bus, the tanker, etc., as Clark, then neglect to show him doing so when it really counts, when the eyes of the world are watching. Maybe "hope" stands for "hope he don't kill anybody else."

 

[karamazov80]

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I "hope" he isn't disguised as Clark whenever the **** goes down, because he was raised to just sit there and watch mother****ers die instead of getting involved.

 

[a-dev]

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Ah yes the mixed messages he gets from his father figures. One says ''you can save them all'', the other says ''maybe you shouldn't''. No wonder he's ****ed u really.

 

[Khev]

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The biggest thing is that they go out of their way to show him saving people pre-suit, the bus, the tanker, etc., as Clark, then neglect to show him doing so when it really counts, when the eyes of the world are watching. Maybe "hope" stands for "hope he don't kill anybody else."

Yeah but he's hot. And his hotness (and nothing else) is apparently very inspiring.

 

[Khev]

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Ah yes the mixed messages he gets from his father figures. One says ''you can save them all'', the other says ''maybe you shouldn't''. No wonder he's ****ed u really.

I wonder which dad taught him the little chestnut about destroying someone's truck if they're like, mean to you in a bar.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Yeah but he's hot. And his hotness (and nothing else) is apparently very inspiring.

The only thing that line inspired was a cringe. I can only imagine what Jye felt because he thought that chick was a boy (Snyder's son if I recall).

 

[Rorywan]

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I wonder which dad taught him the little chestnut about destroying someone's truck if they're like, mean to you in a bar.

The only thing that line inspired was a cringe. *I can only imagine what Jye felt because he thought that chick was a boy (Snyder's son if I recall).

Early morning lol's, thanks gents..

 

[jye4ever]

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I "hope" he isn't disguised as Clark whenever the **** goes down, because he was raised to just sit there and watch mother****ers die instead of getting involved.

The only thing that line inspired was a cringe. I can only imagine what Jye felt because he thought that chick was a boy (Snyder's son if I recall).

I pictured Bryan Singer for some odd reason.

 

[BuGz]

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[Khev]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Mask of the Phantasm was the best because of the theatrical experience.

Sure beat the hell out of Pocahontas or whatever Disney animated feature was out then.

MOTP was released December 25th, 1993 so it shared theaters with the likes of Schindler's List, Philadelphia, and Tombstone. Tombstone, Grumpy Old Men, and What's Eating Gilbert Grape were all released the same day as MOTP. Disney didn't have an animated feature out at that time but Spielberg did:

 

[jye4ever]

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[Khev]

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Check it out guys the new Batmobile was driving outside my window this morning too. I recorded a quick video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDXF6NbHHmY

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Check it out guys the new Batmobile was driving outside my window this morning too. I recorded a quick video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDXF6NbHHmY

...

 

[GasparZizou]

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@phantom

Spoiler

But you did use the evacuated building excuse, I've read it. The only reason you and others stopped was because Snyder told you were wrong. Zod threw him through buildings and HM threw Zod. Hopeman was no slouch when it came to being irresponsible.

The difference is that Zod didn't care, but Kal should have, you and every other Superman fan know that. But you use the excuse that it was his first day.

That's why the excuse that Kal is still green is silly, and I did explain why I think that. I said that he didn't get his powers in an accident or anything like that. He's a full grown, almost middle-aged man that's supposed to be super intelligent (supposed to be). I said that it wasn't his first day as Hopeman, it was his first day he wore the suit. Is that not right? He's had his powers his whole life.

And I refuted that as well, seems your memory is not as good as you think.

1. The bulding Superman is seen going through is completely empty, you follow Superman through it and there's no one to be seen.
2. Superman never threw Zod into a building, never, not once.
3. It wasn't that he didn't care, it was that he could barely handle Zod, Faora, Namek and the world engine by himself, hell of an excuse if you ask me.

And again, the "green" """""excuse""""" is due to the fact that he had never encountered equal beings to him, I've said this specifically to you 3 times now and you keep bringing the same point without refuting it.

Even factoring his nut job Dad, he offed himself when Kal was about 18? Ok, so that's 15 years that he can learn about his powers. There's no one there to stop him anymore. He was by himself, and he never learned anything? That is dumb. That's like saying no one has ever beat off because they were told not to. What the hell was he doing all that time?

is that what you call "going by what's presented in the movie"... Sigh.

Previous point still stands.

How is what I said about acclimation a flashy claim? I didn't write the script, that wasn't my idea, it was GoyDer's. If you're going to introduce something like that, follow through with it. You don't show Kal still having a problem with it almost ten years after he got here, and then just explain it away by having Zod say he spent a lifetime mastering his senses. Yeah, on Krypton, not on Earth. Try going to Mars, even with training and breathing equiptment, and see how easy it would be to adapt. So yes, that is sloppy. Because of that silly plot device, they're not going to be instantly stronger and faster. That's why they should have just left it out altogether, then there wouldn't be any questions.

I think it was put in there so there could be a nice scene with Kal and his Mom, but it wasn't thought through, like a lot of things in that film.

It's a shallow claim because you're not even thinking ir through, you claim to "go by what the movie tells to us" yet you ignore it's exposition bits that explain your random claims.

That line explains why Zod was able to adapt relatively quicker, it's explained that the radiation of the yellow sun makes them stronger, and Krypton's gravity is a lot stronger, that alone explains why they're instantly faster and that's 100% percent consistent and believable, after they take the helmet off, that's their weakness as seen in Faora and Zod.

In Zod's ship you see Superman being affected by the atmospherics yet getting used to them a while later, so it's obviously only a hazzard to babies and kids, which very much makes sense and explains why Zod adapted so fast, which also explains why they needed to terraform if they wanted the new generation to survive, now that's an assumption, but it's a better assumption than having Clark being fully aware of his powers since "his dad died", even in the comics they need alien technology to know the full extent of Supes capabilities.

You're not telling me why it's sloppy, you're telling me you "don't get it".

What do you need to understand about the neck breaking? My question was how he did it. I thought it didn't make sense, that's why I thought it shouldn't have been used. If Snyder would have stuck with a straight up remake of SM I and II, like he was doing already, it still wouldn't make sense.

Again, you don't refute my point, you just tell me how you don't get it, the neck is a weak spot, for anyone, that explains it just fine.

How was Zod defeated in Superman II? Krypton chamber. How was he defeated in the comic? Gold Kryptonite. Both times his powers were taken away. Never was Superman able to do away with him by killing him until now.

Wihtout adressing the comparizon to S2 because this thread would flip out, Zod has been defeated many times in the comics, with or without gimmicks or devices.

It's like saying another human can't defeat another human in a fight, that you forcefully need a gimmick, and that's stupid.

You keep saying that the neck is a delicate spot, but Kal wasn't able to break his neck from throwing trucks at him, smashing him in to brick walls, hitting him with steel beams, and what ever else he did, so how does it make sense that he could just snap his neck?

Sigh why do you keep bringing these shallow half-assed points? Those are literally the bottom of the barrel, can't you see that how easily they go through buildings? You think that going through buildings is going to cause more damage than a punch from another kryptonian? Didn't you see that a car landed right on Superman's back and he just shook it off like it was a bug?

Why do I even need to explain this to you, you're just arguing to argue at this point.

And shouldn't Zod, the trained Warrior, be the one to do that? If Kal was so green, how was Zod even able to lose the upper hand?

You're right, the underdog winning, that's unprecedented.

That's why Zod should have just been sucked in to the Phantom Zone, again, this way there wouldn't be these questions. Just like the World Engine ending that the guys who did "How the Man of Steel should have ended", that ending, even though it was a joke, would have been better, and was. But I guess whoever doesn't agree with that is trolling, got it.

Yeah, you trolling has nothing to do with ignoring every rebuttal I've made to your points and keep posting the same arguments over and over without even addressing mine or actually backing up yours.

Btw they at that point in HISHE they hadn't even mentioned the World Engine, they didn't even knew they had a world engine, it was Jor-el's concience, it can't predict the future...

If the likes of HISHE is how you determine if a plot point is """""sloppy""""" then Honest Trailers must be your go-to critics, hint; it's satire, don't tell anyone.

All those parts of MOS that you mentioned, you say that they're stupid now, but at one time you defended all of those too.

The only one I ever tried to defend was the codex one, because I though with proper exposition it wouldn't have harmed the movie, the rest I didn't defend ever.

Regardless, how does me allegedly changing my mind detract from anything I've said? You still haven't countered anything, you're reaching new lows every time you reply.

All of what occured on screen was like that because of how it was written. You think it's great, I don't. So why would I try to prove anything? I don't need you to explain anything, I saw the same film you did, everyone did. I'm not defending that crap, you are.

That's sad.

I'm not calling you out on your opinions, in fact I didn't call you out on anything, YOU called ME out with the most feeble of premises, I respect your opinion, you hate it and that's fine brah, but of course you're ignoring that too.... I'm simply correcting you on the things you're stating inaccurately.

Why are you in a discussion board then? Why did you even reply to me? To one sidedly voice your baseless arguments without giving me the right of reply? Since you're clearly just ignoring the arguments I put together and dismissing them as "excuses" without even the slightest attempt to refute them and waiting for your turn to vomit the same baseless incoherences I previously addressed.

So you're admiting you're just arguing to argue and trolling then? Indeed that's sad, got it, please don't reply to me again, thanks.

 

[GasparZizou]

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[franpincho]

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Can't wait for this movie to come out and get a 19% Rotten Tomatoes rating.

 

[GasparZizou]

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Can't wait for this movie to come out and get a 19% Rotten Tomatoes rating.

I seriously hope you never stop waiting