You're just proving my point. Hulk was horrid. IM2 couldn't have been more vain. Thor was hampered by a claustrophobic story and mediocre budget. Cap's film was fairly slow for the first half and then we really didn't get much "Cap" before he's frozen in the ice and waking up in Times Square. Yet, because Marvel took the time to flesh out the franchise, introducing the characters in a manner that was warranted and allowed each hero to blossom individually, not just the fans, but the general public as a whole, embraced the living **** out of Avengers.
The blueprint was there for DC. There was just too much pride and the insta-crutch that is Batman.
As I've said, time and time, again, we have no point of reference. We've not read the script, and we don't know what WB's "plan" is. We don't know the extent of Batman's involvement, other than that he, at some point, confronts Superman.
Again, though, why must they be mutually exclusive? Why does Batman's presence in this film automatically negate its validity as a Man of Steel sequel? You talk about this already turning into a Batman film, but, to me, that is largely the public's doing. Of course Ben Affleck as Batman is being focused on, more...because everyone's *****ing about how terrible he's going to be.
I think the insult to injury is every time WB puts out an animated film, I'm sitting there watching and thinking, "Why the **** can't they pull this off on the big screen?!"
It was released in the press that Goyer was replaced by the Argo writer and Goyer was bumped up to ExPro. There's a reason for that. Then you look at the film being postponed a full year. That doesn't happen because everything's all unicorns and rainbows at WB.
Batman vs. Superman isn't a proper sequel. It started as a straight-up sequel to MoS. Then it was Superman vs. Batman. Now it's Batman vs. Superman. Hell, they've even stated in a press release that MoS won't get a sequel until after JL.
Again, though, why must they be mutually exclusive? Why does Batman's presence in this film automatically negate its validity as a Man of Steel sequel? You talk about this already turning into a Batman film, but, to me, that is largely the public's doing. Of course Ben Affleck as Batman is being focused on, more...because everyone's *****ing about how terrible he's going to be.
Well, yeah, pretty much, when the majority of the things people are basing their negativity on are things that the first film had no bearing on. If people didn't like Man of Steel, I get it, but, as it stands, if we split this into a Pie Graph, I'd say you'd see "15% disliked Man of Steel," "35% think it's being rushed because other DC characters are INVOLVED," and "50% are jumping to conclusions based on casting." In some ways, Nam and I are caught in a tailspin; canceling one and other's arguments out with our own. He said I proved his point, in regards to The Avengers being the sum of its parts, but, in doing so, I'd say he proved my point, as well. All of those films that he said were fairly average led to an amazing sequel, it may not be taking the same route, but who's to say that MoS won't be the same case? How are we so sure that this film won't be awesome because Man Of Steel was the set-up to something bigger?
No, a movie can be bad, but when a movie is bad simply because "someone's Batman would never quit," or because "someone's Superman would never kill, even if it meant watching innocent people fry." Structurally, a film can be bad; from a poor script to bad performances to a variety of things, and I will admit that both MoS and TDKR were not without their faults, but, with that in mind, I'd say their faults were severely exaggerated, if they were enough to be construed as "bad movies;" particularly, when you know of just how bad some of the films out there actually are.
Don't forget about mall shootings and catching a plane so you can mysteriously disappear.
Well, if people were utilizing their potential, as the post (from Luthor's P.O.V) suggested, maybe less of that stuff would happen, or, at the very least, there would be enough good to equal it, thus, rendering it balanced. Bad **** happens in the world, there's no doubt about that, but the world can also be beautiful and fulfilling if we choose to embrace those aspects of it and not drown in the negative. Damn, I'm really "zen" tonight; I bet hot yoga chicks would be all over me right about now.
